General Blue Jays Thread: 2024 Off-Season

[agkagk]

Harold ramirez was dfa’d

While Were still assessing what we have in vogelbach


But somehow its biggio that got dfa’d


Somebody make it make sense!!!

[Parataxis]

Harold ramirez was dfa’d

While Were still assessing what we have in vogelbach


But somehow its biggio that got dfa’d


Somebody make it make sense!!!

That's okay, Vogelbach has now been DFAed as well.

It's Barger time!

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[agkagk]

Harold ramirez was dfa’d

While Were still assessing what we have in vogelbach


But somehow its biggio that got dfa’d


Somebody make it make sense!!!

That's okay, Vogelbach has now been DFAed as well.

It's Barger time!

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Lol

There you go!


…harold seems like a natural fit in our poo poo lineup.

[dagger]

Alan Roden has been moved up to Buffalo. I presume Josh Kasevich as well.

[JTT]

Not sure about Kasevich moving up, that would seem to put Leo Jimenez in an awkward spot.

I don’t know if he’s been there before,but Joey Votto is appearing on the Bisons roster today.

[JN]

Vogelbach seemed like a pretty good guy - but this is a business and we won't miss ya.

[Randle McMurphy]

Vogelbach seemed like a pretty good guy - but this is a business and we won't miss ya.

I'll miss him. His absence means more ABs for Turner.

[JN]

Vogelbach seemed like a pretty good guy - but this is a business and we won't miss ya.

I'll miss him. His absence means more ABs for Turner.

I assume Turner will be gone by end of July to a contender, in a low risk move for that other team who might have a depth hole due to injury or whatever.

We eat almost 100% of his contract, and get a C/D level prospect in return.

[fbalmeida]

Starting offensive duds like Kiermeier and Kiner-Falefa I can understand.

it's the rock-bottom disastrously bad seasons from multiple players at once that should have everyone howling in rage. Bo, Springer, and Kirk, for example, have all been outrageously bad at the plate. Vogelbach in particular is a sick joke. Following the extremely rare occasion he's been able to make any type of contact, the man looks like he has to reassemble his torso and legs before even attempting to run to first base.

It's completely beyond me why they haven't fired the hitting coach and his entire staff.

And I remain convinced that Don Mattingly is actually a Yankee mole trying to purposely sabotage our supposed competitiveness window with Vlad and Bo. I can't ever recall such a promising core of players all imploding their hitting all at once.

Trainwreck of a season.

[Parataxis]

Martinez Time

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[Duffman100]

It's completely beyond me why they haven't fired the hitting coach and his entire staff.

This this and this. How is nobody fired?

[JN]

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[polo007]

Blue Jays spiraling toward trade deadline about-face that could impact stars - The New York Post

The Blue Jays were intending to buy but may need to face reality at 36-43 with a minus 56-run differential.

It would take guts to sell big considering fans in that major market were hoping to see Shohei Ohtani (or Juan Soto) in a Jays uniform. But it may be advisable now. (The Jays understand time is short, but they aren’t ready to make the sell call yet.)

They should be better than this, but offensively they have issues. They lost Marcus Semien and Teoscar Hernandez, and also came up well short in an under-the-radar effort to sign Corey Seager before he went to Texas.

They aren’t going to want to trade Bo Bichette and Vlad Guerrero Jr. with both having another year to go before free agency. But word is, past long-term negotiations with both stars never came close to agreement. And folks who know the pair believe the Jays have little to no chance to lock up Bichette, and maybe only a slightly better chance with Guerrero.

Bichette has more value now to the Dodgers; Guerrero to the Mariners, Astros, Pirates and others.

Free agent to be Yusei Kikuchi is probably a more likely trade candidate, along with Yimi Garcia. And rival teams would love to see Chris Bassitt out there, too.

If they pay deals down, Isiah Kiner-Falefa, Kevin Kiermaier and Justin Turner are tradeable, too.

[polo007]

Toronto Blue Jays could be a big presence at the 2024 Trade Deadline - MLB.com

One of those clubs, the Blue Jays, could be a huge factor in the coming weeks. Toronto has a number of intriguing trade chips to utilize if it so chooses.

“I think that front office wants to win before they break up this group, and the window for them is closing,” an NL executive said. “I wouldn’t be surprised if they give it one more run and possibly even add to their roster -- unless the bottom completely falls out over the next few weeks.”

If Toronto winds up selling, the question then becomes: What type of sale will the club hold?

The Blue Jays' impending free agents include infielder/DH Justin Turner ($13 million salary in 2024), outfielder Kevin Kiermaier ($10.5 million), left-handed starter Yusei Kikuchi ($10 million), righty relievers Yimi García ($6 million) and Trevor Richards ($2.15 million) and catcher Danny Jansen ($5.2 million). Kikuchi, García and Richards figure to bring back the best returns of that group, and Toronto will likely need to pay down Turner’s and Kiermaier’s contracts in order to move them.

According to sources, the Blue Jays have told other clubs that they are willing to move players with expiring contracts, but those with control beyond 2024 are not being traded. The consensus among a dozen executives we spoke with is that the Blue Jays will attempt to move most or all of their rental players if they sell, working to add some prospects to a farm system that entered the season ranked at No. 24 by MLB Pipeline.

“I think they sell impending free agents, but nothing else unless they get blown away,” an NL executive said.

[DelAbbot]

Because Shapiro and Atkins are still here, and their primary objective is saving their jobs and not the long term interest of the Blue Jays, I foresee a disaster of a deadline of 2022-Poeltl-proportions

[polo007]

MLB draft prospects with famous bloodlines carry weight of monster expectations - USA Today

– The free-falling Blue Jays will soon start their fire sale, while keeping Bo Bichette and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Rival GMs say the only player who will bring a significant return is starter Yusei Kikuchi. The Blue Jays’ bright future suddenly looks quite murky.

– The Chicago Cubs have expressed interest in Blue Jays catcher Danny Jansen.

[Harry Palmer]

Just kinda realized that coming here to read these Jays posts, especially dagger’s ml stuff, has become on of my go to moves when I am needing to get away from the horrors of our current global trajectory. So, improbable as it might seem, dagger, thank you for helping me out, I mean it, and the rest of you bastards as well*. And it’s not like I feel deeply ingrained in the board’s culture, I know the general take on me here, but just reading intelligent thoughts about the Jays (remember my childhood was deeply Jays influenced) seems to make me feel a little more detached and, if not hopeful, at least distracted.

*well not Randle about Varsho, that’s imo got some MAGA energy that I want to not be thinking about, despite probably agreeing with him much more often than not on other Jays subjects and I find his thoughts interesting.

Edit: and Cy, not kidding in the slightest, with all the crap that’s happened here (not here, here, I mean the main board and to a lesser extent Nest generally) and the various controversies, I truly consider you to be a man of honour and integrity. Yes, I know how lame this sounds, just wanted to express it.

Last edit: not drunk, but heavily drugged and sporting a 104 temperature, sorry.

[Randle McMurphy]

*well not Randle about Varsho, that’s imo got some MAGA energy that I want to not be thinking about, despite probably agreeing with him much more often than not on other Jays subjects and I find his thoughts interesting.

If you think citing Varsho WAR and DRS totals is MAGA energy, you should see the other guy

[Harry Palmer]

Reports that Bo is letting it be known he wants to be traded.

[JN]

Reports that Bo is letting it be known he wants to be traded.

Shortstop has now become the best offensive position in baseball in 2024 based on OPS. Somewhat stunning given the past, but now great athletes that can hit have the athleticism and range to play that position.

Bo's value of being a good hitter for a SS (even when he hit well) is not what it once was. And of course he can't hit right now... or field. His value is not that high.