2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[Chi town]

Last time we were high on someone, McDermott and Payne happened.

They made it known they were high on WCJ too.

And Hutch.

[dumbell78]

Last time we were high on someone, McDermott and Payne happened.

They made it known they were high on WCJ too.

And Hutch.

I'm talking trading up.

[NewEra21]

Im sold on Garland. I know he only played 4 games, but he was pretty impressive in those 4 games. Kid is a legitimate threat to pull up from anywhere. Advanced ball handling and coordination to get into lane and finish. His game is tailor made for what you want from your lead guard. Real Lillard/Irving potential. I would do what it takes to move up for him. If it takes a protected first so be it. Because if it works, then its the right move. If not, could be a step closer to a Garpax firing. But I think it going to work.

Don't settle for White, go get the the guy you want.

[holv03]

Bulls could move up to 5th and draft Garland if the Lakers pick someone else.

If we can’t move up, who are we looking at #7?

It depends on who is there but names I know for sure are Culver, White, Garland and Reddish.

[Jcool0]

Im sold on Garland. I know he only played 4 games, but he was pretty impressive in those 4 games. Kid is a legitimate threat to pull up from anywhere. Advanced ball handling and coordination to get into lane and finish. His game is tailor made for what you want from your lead guard. Real Lillard/Irving potential. I would do what it takes to move up for him. If it takes a protected first so be it. Because if it works, then its the right move. If not, could be a step closer to a Garpax firing. But I think it going to work.

Don't settle for White, go get the the guy you want.

You were impressed by him going 1-6 for 3 points in 28 minutes against Alcorn St?

[NewEra21]

Im sold on Garland. I know he only played 4 games, but he was pretty impressive in those 4 games. Kid is a legitimate threat to pull up from anywhere. Advanced ball handling and coordination to get into lane and finish. His game is tailor made for what you want from your lead guard. Real Lillard/Irving potential. I would do what it takes to move up for him. If it takes a protected first so be it. Because if it works, then its the right move. If not, could be a step closer to a Garpax firing. But I think it going to work.

Don't settle for White, go get the the guy you want.

You were impressed by him going 1-6 for 3 points in 28 minutes against Alcorn St?

Do you provide anything to this forum other than snide one liners?

[NDave79]

This isn't a 100 percent draft related, but enough imo (since we are debating point guards a lot here) that I preferred to post here than start a new thread.

I'm kinda confused what direction we want to go with PG.

On one hand there is all this talk about this new offense about the sharing of ball handling and creation. Boylen said his biggest regret of his rookie head coaching season was that he didn't incorporate the new system sooner. Lauri and Lavine seemed to thrive and for a stretch we had the best offense in the NBA according to certain stats.

Obviously Dunn struggled as would be expected as his offensive strengths relate to things he does with the ball in his hands (unfortunately, his strengths don't really justify catering your offense around him so far. He just hasn't been good enough to warrant that).

But Pax keeps talking about bringing in a PG that has the ability to find and pass the ball to our elite shooters; basically a guard that needs the ball in his hands to play to his strengths. There are rumors about Lonzo Ball and I get the feeling they were infatuated with Morant.

These guys need the ball in there hands to be effective, but Boylen talks about a system that is very different from a ball dominant PG system. I guess I'm just confused and it seems like maybe there isn't an exact consensus within the Bulls about the best way to go forward.

I'm a fan of the multiple ball handler system and feel like we have seen enough success (in the short span where we had some offensive success) to go forward down this path, but from interviews and stuff, Pax seems set on finding a traditional PG imo, even though he already played and had success in a multi ball handler system.

I feel like a player like with the theoretical skills of Garland would be ideal, but Pax talks like the Bulls need a more traditional elite passer like Ball or Morant. I guess I feel like Boylen wants the off ball player and Pax wants the on ball player. Obviously, in perfect world you would get someone who excels at both, but that doesn't seem to be a realistic option.

What is our plan, lol?

Ball and Morant shouldn’t be grouped in this way.

Ball thrives as a relatively low usage PG who creates by making quick decisions without stopping the ball. A perfect PG for a multi ball handler system, in other words (if you believe the shooting will come around).

Morant is much more ball dominant so I imagine Pax’s interest in him was about talent rather than our system. Which is how it should be imo. Multi ball handler is nice but the Bulls don’t have anything going on (talent, system, coach, etc) that they should bend their draft priorities to fit.

I was basically talking about a general style of PG, but I'll admit I haven't watched a lot of Ball.

I haven't looked up the stats, but I believe whatever you say is legit since you are as solid as anyone here.

He seems to be extremely talented and if we trade for him I'm obviously going to be rooting for the best.

My point still stands, are we looking for a ball dominant PG or a complimentary guard (by complimentary, I don't mean average or something mediocre because their style relies on others; look at Steph Curry)?

[drosereturn]

Bulls could move up to 5th and draft Garland if the Lakers pick someone else.

If we can’t move up, who are we looking at #7?

It depends on who is there but names I know for sure are Culver, White, Garland and Reddish.

appreciate the info. someone working for Bulls is huge difference from someone randomly speculating.

[BullsFTW]

I actually liked Reddish as a prospect a whole lot before the college season, but man did he shot so poorly. The talent is there but mentally he may not be there. It could be poor basketball IQ or simply lack of confidence.

[Dresden]

I don't know if it's just me, but Coby White looks like the shortest 6'5 guy I have ever seen. He looks so tiny in all the highlights I've watched. I would have been less shocked to find out he was closer to 6'0.

He plays small. Short short arms and a poor leaper. I’m not saying he’s Bobby Portis but the 6’5 thing is pretty much window dressing.

At 6'5" he'll be able to see over defenses a lot more than someone who is 6'1" or 6'2". He doesn't look short to me at all- he's actually the size of a lot of sg's, although he does have those short arms.

[VolumePoster]

I don't know if it's just me, but Coby White looks like the shortest 6'5 guy I have ever seen. He looks so tiny in all the highlights I've watched. I would have been less shocked to find out he was closer to 6'0.

He plays small. Short short arms and a poor leaper. I’m not saying he’s Bobby Portis but the 6’5 thing is pretty much window dressing.

At 6'5" he'll be able to see over defenses a lot more than someone who is 6'1" or 6'2". He doesn't look short to me at all- he's actually the size of a lot of sg's, although he does have those short arms.

That's a fair point with respect to vision.

[Jvaughn]

I'm so torn on Cam Reddish. While I admit he was pretty bad this year, he has all the tools you want in a modern say ding. Long, athletic, good handle, can defend multiple positions, NBA range, etc. I guess I wouldn't be mad if we miss out on Garland/Hunter/Culver and the Bulls take a chance ok him at 7.

[Davell]

I honestly think Garland and White are both gone before 7. I don't want to trade up for either, but would be perfectly fine taking either at 7. If they're gone, I prefer trading back to a team that really wants one of Reddish, Hunter, or Culver. And try to recoup an extra 1st that looks to be a lotto pick next year. Not sure that's possible and stay inside the lottery this year as well, but that's what I'd like to do, if its available.

[Dresden]

I would be fine with either, and if I had to chose, I'd take White over Garland. I like his size better, his defensive potential, his speed and ability in the open court, his ability to finish inside, and his proven ability to lead a college team that was one of the best in the nation.

I don't see anyone worth trading up for outside of Morant or Zion. While it would have been nice picking 4th, I don't see a ton of difference between White, Garland, Culver, Reddish, or Hunter. They all have their positives and negatives, and I don't know how you really predict which of that bunch is more likely to overcome their negatives. Hunter is probably the safest. White/Garland fit our need the most. Reddish/Culver might be the closest to the do everything type wing that is so valuable.

[Payt10]

What's everybody's take on the kid from France? I really like what I've seen in his breakdown vids.

[drosereturn]

I don't know if it's just me, but Coby White looks like the shortest 6'5 guy I have ever seen. He looks so tiny in all the highlights I've watched. I would have been less shocked to find out he was closer to 6'0.

He plays small. Short short arms and a poor leaper. I’m not saying he’s Bobby Portis but the 6’5 thing is pretty much window dressing.

At 6'5" he'll be able to see over defenses a lot more than someone who is 6'1" or 6'2". He doesn't look short to me at all- he's actually the size of a lot of sg's, although he does have those short arms.

Is he actually 6'5" or did the hair boost his height? If he trims all his hair he might be actually 6'3".

[taj2133]

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LeBron James & Lakers Coach Seen With NBA Draft Target Darius Garland

https://heavy.com/sports/2019/05/lakers-lebron-james-darius-garland-nba-draft-news/



By Jeff Smith
Updated May 25, 2019 at 10:04pm
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Los Angeles Lakers forward LeBron James

Let the 2019 NBA Draft speculation run wild. The latest piece of news which came out will only add even more fuel to the chatter around the Los Angeles Lakers and Vanderbilt guard Darius Garland. While the Lakers hold the No. 4 pick in the draft, they could go a number of ways with the selection, one of which is to select Garland.

After the NBA world took notice of the fact that the former Vanderbilt guard was signed with Klutch Sports, it immediately created a connection to LeBron James. But the Lakers-Garland connection picked up steam when he was spotted with LeBron and Lakers assistant coach Miles Simon at a basketball game for James’ son, Bronny.

The photo was posted on social media, and revealed by Ball is Life.


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Darius Garland was with Lebron today, watching Bronny‘s game.

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For what it’s worth, Garland is fully expected to be in the mix for the Lakers at No. 4, assuming they don’t opt to trade the pick. But considering all the chatter swirling about a potential trade for either Anthony Davis or Bradley Beal, that looks like somewhat of a longshot at times.




This isn’t the first time the connection between LeBron and Garland has grabbed the attention of Lakers fans. Just under a week ago, Garland posted on Instagram about the upcoming NBA draft and James showed him some love by sending a message to the young guard.


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Although we can’t read into the Instagram comment all that much, the fact that James and Garland were spotted together at Bronny’s game with Simon is still noteworthy. Even going one step further, Heavy.com’s Jon Adams pointed out that Garland was at the Muhammad Ali documentary which LeBron and Maverick Carter produced.

As the above photo shows, Garland just so happened to be at last week’s HBO premiere of the Muhammad Ali documentary “What’s My Name?”, produced by James along with Maverick Carter.

This obviously doesn’t lock the former Vanderbilt guard in as the Lakers pick, but the fact he’s already built a friendship with LeBron could certainly play a role in the outcome.

Darius Garland’s Stats & Career With Vanderbilt
Lakers fans only have a small sample size of Garland’s play to go off when evaluating him as a draft prospect. He missed nearly the entire 2018-19 college basketball season due to a meniscus injury in his left knee. After playing in five games, Garland underwent surgery which ended his year.


In the five games the 19-year-old suited up for, he posted averages of 16.2 points, 2.6 assists and 3.8 rebounds. It’s worth noting that those marks were impacted by the fact that he only played two minutes in the game against Kent State when the season-ending injury occurred.

One performance from Garland certainly stood out, and it came during a 79-70 win over Liberty during Vanderbilt’s fourth game of the year. Garland racked up 33 points on 12-of-18 shooting while knocking down 5-of-8 from beyond the arc. He also added four rebounds and four assists for good measure.

[Repeat 3-peat]

What's everybody's take on the kid from France? I really like what I've seen in his breakdown vids.

Doumbouya? I like him more than any other prospect expected to be there at #7.

Great athlete, two way player, nice form on jumper.

No way the Bulls draft him. I expect Reddish to be the guy if he's there.

[R3AL1TY]

Ouch...Garland has even more signs pointing to the Lakers' pick. It will be interesting to see what happens to Lonzo and which way the Bulls will go with their pick. If Lakers don't trade for AD, I see them keeping the pick and drafting BPA.

[GimmeDat]

What's everybody's take on the kid from France? I really like what I've seen in his breakdown vids.

I like his potential, but he's very much a project. He's still 18. There's not many things he appears to be good at right now, but he projects to be good in a lot of areas.

I think if you're going to go for a forward, Hunter is like 80% of what you'd envision Sekou to turn in to, and he's already a proven product.