2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 2)

[normgod6]

It's Mobley and then everyone else. Leading the ROY race by a mile.

that was already in preseason. dont understand why rap fans claimed barnes was close.

It was close until like a week ago in my opinion. But Mobley is running away with it as of now.

[DroseReturnChi]

theres a reason why i said mobley is a generational talent only 10 games in. watched countless rookies but very rare a guy drafted this high plays like the ultimate glue/role player and yet can score 30 if he wants.
his 3pt jumper is not there yet but in 3 yrs, he will be a top 10 player. 25ppg with the 3, 20ppg without it.
he is the literal unicorn that has no weakness as a prospect and his passing ability is as good as barnes if not better. thats fking scary who was billed raw as hell. hes like growing like giannis but exponentially faster you dont need to wait. already perfect build i would advise gaining 250 pounds and losing that agility of what makes him great.

[DCasey91]

It's Mobley and then everyone else. Leading the ROY race by a mile.

that was already in preseason. dont understand why rap fans claimed barnes was close.

ROY is different then best rookie ... when Scottie was scoring a lot more points and Evan was mostly dunking lobs it gave Scottie an edge for ROY. Evan is both increasing and diversifying his scoring and making clutch plays on both ends of the floor. He's passed Scottie, IMO, but it's a long season and sadly someone on one of the tanking teams scoring 20ppg on 22 shots could win it if ROY voters don't wise up.

Ball won the ROY and averaged less points than Antman.

Simmons won the ROY and averaged less points than Mitchell.

I’d say they’ve done a pretty good job on who wins the rookie of the year.

Some herpederp voter will have a random wtf vote but they are not all like that.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[JonFromVA]

that was already in preseason. dont understand why rap fans claimed barnes was close.

ROY is different then best rookie ... when Scottie was scoring a lot more points and Evan was mostly dunking lobs it gave Scottie an edge for ROY. Evan is both increasing and diversifying his scoring and making clutch plays on both ends of the floor. He's passed Scottie, IMO, but it's a long season and sadly someone on one of the tanking teams scoring 20ppg on 22 shots could win it if ROY voters don't wise up.

Ball won the ROY and averaged less points than Antman.

Simmons won the ROY and averaged less points than Mitchell.

I’d say they’ve done a pretty good job on who wins the rookie of the year.

Yes, obviously playmaking/assists matter to the voters ... probably the main reason James won over Melo.

[DaFan334]

How did this dude drop to 26?

He was considered too skinny and that he doesn't do much other than shooting

I, like most other Nuggets fans, kind of figured the same, but this kid is much better than I anticipated. I was thinking after seeing some of him in the preseason and summer league that he was similar to Jamal Crawford or Lou Williams. After watching more of him, he is definitely very similar but has a lot more playmaking skills than I realized. The kid has a very bright future, which I am very happy about.

[timO]

Mobley has his own tier, ROY and All-star Cavs 9-5.

[Roddy B for 3]

Cade started 0-7(all from three) then with 4 minutes left he gita a three and in the last two minutes he faced up OG and drive him to the hope(fancy Cade dribble moves got him there) Cade hit to in the paint shots over OG.

This is why he was picked #1 even if others had higher upside, he makes winning plays.

In high school he was the man on a team with Scottie Barnes, Beenim Carey,Zahire Williams.

In college he took a team that missed the tournament,to a four seed and kedo the nation in clutch points. He also won POY.

I comped him to a taller Lowry. I'm really happy with this guy.

[Shy Gorgeous-Al]

Cavs made the run with Mobley at the 5 with okay shooters surrounding him giving him space to operate on offence. Defensively he didn't have to run out to shooters on the perimeter; instead, he only needed to make the right plays inside the paint and protect the rim.

Mobley is skinny now and lacks the strength to play the C full time, but that is his long term position most likely. A super versatile 5 who will shut down any PnR action either via switching or playing a drop coverage. Hopefully the Cavs will provide a solid two-way perimeter foundation that can support what makes him special. He needs a team that can switch effectively and he needs proper spacing and shooting. It's not too hard to do.

Unluckily for the Cavs, they became good too fast. Another bad year would have provided that for them through the draft. Hopefully they will be able to acquire such player later in the draft if indeed they are for real.

[oldshoolballer]

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My favorite play of the season. Mobley is incredible.

[PhilBlackson]

I don't think Suggs has had a SINGLE game with decent shooting percentages... really thought he'd be better than this.

At this point just have to hope he can follow a trajectory like Lonzo Ball but even Zo was the SL MVP. Still waiting on even one game where Suggs looks like that player that was supposed to be a franchise changing guard.

[mcfly1204]

Cavs made the run with Mobley at the 5 with okay shooters surrounding him giving him space to operate on offence. Defensively he didn't have to run out to shooters on the perimeter; instead, he only needed to make the right plays inside the paint and protect the rim.

Mobley is skinny now and lacks the strength to play the C full time, but that is his long term position most likely. A super versatile 5 who will shut down any PnR action either via switching or playing a drop coverage. Hopefully the Cavs will provide a solid two-way perimeter foundation that can support what makes him special. He needs a team that can switch effectively and he needs proper spacing and shooting. It's not too hard to do.

Unluckily for the Cavs, they became good too fast. Another bad year would have provided that for them through the draft. Hopefully they will be able to acquire such player later in the draft if indeed they are for real.

I don't agree with this at all. The Cavs have some nice young talent around Mobley already, and they still have their future picks. Finding Mobley is what every team hopes for, when you have the likes of Allen, Garland, Sexton, and Okoro already on the roster, the development will be fun to watch.

[Shy Gorgeous-Al]

Cavs made the run with Mobley at the 5 with okay shooters surrounding him giving him space to operate on offence. Defensively he didn't have to run out to shooters on the perimeter; instead, he only needed to make the right plays inside the paint and protect the rim.

Mobley is skinny now and lacks the strength to play the C full time, but that is his long term position most likely. A super versatile 5 who will shut down any PnR action either via switching or playing a drop coverage. Hopefully the Cavs will provide a solid two-way perimeter foundation that can support what makes him special. He needs a team that can switch effectively and he needs proper spacing and shooting. It's not too hard to do.

Unluckily for the Cavs, they became good too fast. Another bad year would have provided that for them through the draft. Hopefully they will be able to acquire such player later in the draft if indeed they are for real.

I don't agree with this at all. The Cavs have some nice young talent around Mobley already, and they still have their future picks. Finding Mobley is what every team hopes for, when you have the likes of Allen, Garland, Sexton, and Okoro already on the roster, the development will be fun to watch.

Okoro is not good, at all.

His shot is busted and his defense is grossly overrated. He can guard 2 positions, and is not a lock down defender because he has trouble defending screens and his length is nothing to write home about.

Sexton is not in their future plans, and if he is, he is going to become their 6th man eventually. He doesn't fit with their core either.

You have Allen, Mobley and Garland. It's a nice core. Although, Allen may be overlapping with Mobley as far as Mobley's future position is concerned.

Now, the Cavs have a huge hole on the wings. Huge. Their best chance at patching that hole was through this draft which is deep on wings. If they end up as a playoffs team, or even a high seeded playoffs team especially, they can say good bye to this avenue and may look elsewhere.

I don't trust Koby Altman's ability to build a team and find hidden gems outside the lottery. He has put very low value on 2nd round picks and late 1st round picks.

Cavs have/had a chance to solidify their core if they get a high enough pick in the upcoming draft. Tanking is obviously out of the question as their chemistry is out of this world. They need to win. That's part of the process, obviously. Especially when their coach and the GM are on the hot seat. What i'm saying is that the Cavs road to fully rebuilding and contending could have been so easy if they had been semi bad this year. Now that it doesn't look like it, their decisions are going to be critical in the following months/years. You just don't want them to look like Lebron's first stint. You also don't want them to be too good too fast like the Trae Young's Hawks. Potentially they have a chance to really contend, soon.

[Time for Change]

After back to back games on Wednesday and Thursday Delano Banton requested to go to G League to work on his game, so he played Friday night in G League and was back Saturday night with the Raptors against the Pistons for his 4th game in 4 nights, where he had 12/3/2 on 6 shots in 18 minutes. Loving this kid’s attitude.

[JonFromVA]

Cavs made the run with Mobley at the 5 with okay shooters surrounding him giving him space to operate on offence. Defensively he didn't have to run out to shooters on the perimeter; instead, he only needed to make the right plays inside the paint and protect the rim.

Mobley is skinny now and lacks the strength to play the C full time, but that is his long term position most likely. A super versatile 5 who will shut down any PnR action either via switching or playing a drop coverage. Hopefully the Cavs will provide a solid two-way perimeter foundation that can support what makes him special. He needs a team that can switch effectively and he needs proper spacing and shooting. It's not too hard to do.

Unluckily for the Cavs, they became good too fast. Another bad year would have provided that for them through the draft. Hopefully they will be able to acquire such player later in the draft if indeed they are for real.

I don't agree with this at all. The Cavs have some nice young talent around Mobley already, and they still have their future picks. Finding Mobley is what every team hopes for, when you have the likes of Allen, Garland, Sexton, and Okoro already on the roster, the development will be fun to watch.

Okoro is not good, at all.

His shot is busted and his defense is grossly overrated. He can guard 2 positions, and is not a lock down defender because he has trouble defending screens and his length is nothing to write home about.

Sexton is not in their future plans, and if he is, he is going to become their 6th man eventually. He doesn't fit with their core either.

You have Allen, Mobley and Garland. It's a nice core. Although, Allen may be overlapping with Mobley as far as Mobley's future position is concerned.

Now, the Cavs have a huge hole on the wings. Huge. Their best chance at patching that hole was through this draft which is deep on wings. If they end up as a playoffs team, or even a high seeded playoffs team especially, they can say good bye to this avenue and may look elsewhere.

I don't trust Koby Altman's ability to build a team and find hidden gems outside the lottery. He has put very low value on 2nd round picks and late 1st round picks.

Cavs have/had a chance to solidify their core if they get a high enough pick in the upcoming draft. Tanking is obviously out of the question as their chemistry is out of this world. They need to win. That's part of the process, obviously. Especially when their coach and the GM are on the hot seat. What i'm saying is that the Cavs road to fully rebuilding and contending could have been so easy if they had been semi bad this year. Now that it doesn't look like it, their decisions are going to be critical in the following months/years. You just don't want them to look like Lebron's first stint. You also don't want them to be too good too fast like the Trae Young's Hawks. Potentially they have a chance to really contend, soon.

There was a time before player empowerment where having a 3-man core consisting of a superstar and a couple of near All-Star talent was good enough. The Spurs for instance found ways to fill around their core using their late picks, clever trades, and finding stop-gap players that could contribute for a season or two.

And I think that time was last year when Milwaukee won it all. The youngest contributor on that Bucks team was 24-year old Donte DiVincenzo. It'll be 4 years before Evan hits that mark. A lot can change in that kind of time frame, including things like Isaac Okoro completely changing your perception of his game.

Sometimes having a gaping hole at a position is an advantage. Some vets just want to join a contender and might feel they could be the final piece, and you've got young players who want to prove themselves and just want guaranteed minutes.

The question is ... if Markkenen gets going and/or other wings like Osman/Windler do a decent job ... do the Cavs have that gaping hole? You may scoff, but I still remember the Cavs had made an offer to sign a PG that could help them in LeBron's early days and he took a pass because he thought he wouldn't get the nod over Eric Snow.

[Jadoogar]

It's Mobley and then everyone else. Leading the ROY race by a mile.

that was already in preseason. dont understand why rap fans claimed barnes was close.

Because it was close?

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[INKtastic]

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My favorite play of the season. Mobley is incredible.

That and this

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[NRSV]

Cavs made the run with Mobley at the 5 with okay shooters surrounding him giving him space to operate on offence. Defensively he didn't have to run out to shooters on the perimeter; instead, he only needed to make the right plays inside the paint and protect the rim.

Mobley is skinny now and lacks the strength to play the C full time, but that is his long term position most likely. A super versatile 5 who will shut down any PnR action either via switching or playing a drop coverage. Hopefully the Cavs will provide a solid two-way perimeter foundation that can support what makes him special. He needs a team that can switch effectively and he needs proper spacing and shooting. It's not too hard to do.

Unluckily for the Cavs, they became good too fast. Another bad year would have provided that for them through the draft. Hopefully they will be able to acquire such player later in the draft if indeed they are for real.

I don't agree with this at all. The Cavs have some nice young talent around Mobley already, and they still have their future picks. Finding Mobley is what every team hopes for, when you have the likes of Allen, Garland, Sexton, and Okoro already on the roster, the development will be fun to watch.

Okoro is not good, at all.

His shot is busted and his defense is grossly overrated. He can guard 2 positions, and is not a lock down defender because he has trouble defending screens and his length is nothing to write home about.

Sexton is not in their future plans, and if he is, he is going to become their 6th man eventually. He doesn't fit with their core either.

You have Allen, Mobley and Garland. It's a nice core. Although, Allen may be overlapping with Mobley as far as Mobley's future position is concerned.

Now, the Cavs have a huge hole on the wings. Huge. Their best chance at patching that hole was through this draft which is deep on wings. If they end up as a playoffs team, or even a high seeded playoffs team especially, they can say good bye to this avenue and may look elsewhere.

I don't trust Koby Altman's ability to build a team and find hidden gems outside the lottery. He has put very low value on 2nd round picks and late 1st round picks.

Cavs have/had a chance to solidify their core if they get a high enough pick in the upcoming draft. Tanking is obviously out of the question as their chemistry is out of this world. They need to win. That's part of the process, obviously. Especially when their coach and the GM are on the hot seat. What i'm saying is that the Cavs road to fully rebuilding and contending could have been so easy if they had been semi bad this year. Now that it doesn't look like it, their decisions are going to be critical in the following months/years. You just don't want them to look like Lebron's first stint. You also don't want them to be too good too fast like the Trae Young's Hawks. Potentially they have a chance to really contend, soon.

Yeah, the spurs got Duncan when Robinson was hurt for a season right?

Cavs need to find a way to lose a bunch of games this season. Okoro isn’t the guy. At all.

[DCasey91]

Cavs made the run with Mobley at the 5 with okay shooters surrounding him giving him space to operate on offence. Defensively he didn't have to run out to shooters on the perimeter; instead, he only needed to make the right plays inside the paint and protect the rim.

Mobley is skinny now and lacks the strength to play the C full time, but that is his long term position most likely. A super versatile 5 who will shut down any PnR action either via switching or playing a drop coverage. Hopefully the Cavs will provide a solid two-way perimeter foundation that can support what makes him special. He needs a team that can switch effectively and he needs proper spacing and shooting. It's not too hard to do.

Unluckily for the Cavs, they became good too fast. Another bad year would have provided that for them through the draft. Hopefully they will be able to acquire such player later in the draft if indeed they are for real.

I don't agree with this at all. The Cavs have some nice young talent around Mobley already, and they still have their future picks. Finding Mobley is what every team hopes for, when you have the likes of Allen, Garland, Sexton, and Okoro already on the roster, the development will be fun to watch.

Okoro is not good, at all.

His shot is busted and his defense is grossly overrated. He can guard 2 positions, and is not a lock down defender because he has trouble defending screens and his length is nothing to write home about.

Sexton is not in their future plans, and if he is, he is going to become their 6th man eventually. He doesn't fit with their core either.

You have Allen, Mobley and Garland. It's a nice core. Although, Allen may be overlapping with Mobley as far as Mobley's future position is concerned.

Now, the Cavs have a huge hole on the wings. Huge. Their best chance at patching that hole was through this draft which is deep on wings. If they end up as a playoffs team, or even a high seeded playoffs team especially, they can say good bye to this avenue and may look elsewhere.

I don't trust Koby Altman's ability to build a team and find hidden gems outside the lottery. He has put very low value on 2nd round picks and late 1st round picks.

Cavs have/had a chance to solidify their core if they get a high enough pick in the upcoming draft. Tanking is obviously out of the question as their chemistry is out of this world. They need to win. That's part of the process, obviously. Especially when their coach and the GM are on the hot seat. What i'm saying is that the Cavs road to fully rebuilding and contending could have been so easy if they had been semi bad this year. Now that it doesn't look like it, their decisions are going to be critical in the following months/years. You just don't want them to look like Lebron's first stint. You also don't want them to be too good too fast like the Trae Young's Hawks. Potentially they have a chance to really contend, soon.

There’s a really nice player this year in Matthew Mayer whose one of my roughies legit NBA skillset and size and very polished Mike Miller 2.0. There’s Barnes at the Kings

Cavs can afford to lax if the player can shoot because their frontcourt is suffocating and Rubio/Garland are feisty guard defenders.

I’d move Marks, Sexton, Okoro and get as much capital as you can and get a fill in for now. Divincenzo might be a go, Vassell will probably cost too much to get, Murphy III in due time, heck even Holiday at the Pacers. It’s just that Mark’s contract is awkward to move because personally he’s not worth the price tag if he’s always injured (Same with Sexton for other reasons if he wants to get paid).

Love is coming off the books to make way for Garland’s big boy contract. Allen at 20/5 was a great deal, got to resign Rubio for a 2 and 1 type of team friendly deal.

They’ll be fine

[LoveMyRaps]

Cade is gonna be the best player from this draft, easily.

Mobley & Barnes will be superstars as well.

Then there will be a bunch of other all-stars from this draft class.