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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#721 » by Neeva » Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:33 pm

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minimus wrote:I think Naz Reid is almost ideal five-out С for TOR. I would love to see something like Reid, Forbes, SRP for Precious Achuiwa.

Interesting you’d say that. A TOR fan just posted on the Trade Board how they desperately needed a center than can get blocks and spread the floor. I suggested Naz, but they are hung up on Myles Turner.


Turner's recent play screams "contract year." I would bet my house that after he gets a new deal he goes back to play only half the games. He's going to steal money from some team the next four years.


Sadly your post could be talking about DLO also.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#722 » by babyjax13 » Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:46 pm

LibertyPrime wrote:Whatever happened to Coby White (Bulls)? Just not that good? Too wild? Would you send Nowell for him?


Nowell is a better player. White is okay, if he is your backup I don't think you have any issues. He can get really hot, and he's not a ball-stopper, but he's also not really a point guard even though his college play suggested he'd be better at running an offense/distributing than he is.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#723 » by Klomp » Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:02 pm

shrink wrote:I expect a quiet Trade Deadline. Tim Connelly already made his “all-in” move for Rudy Gobert. He’s not going to abandon this multi-year strategy in the middle of this year, particularly since we haven’t gotten to see if it works, with Towns sick in pre-season and injured now.

In fact, I don’t see many players we have that would likely be traded. For example:

KAT - can’t be traded legally for one year after signing designated player extension
Gobert - won’t be traded for at least a year, to see if experiment works.
Ant - won’t be traded, as the face of the franchise, and the hope he becomes the #1
Jaden - won’t be traded. Wolves desperately need his defense
Anderson - won’t be traded. Connelly signing and everyone raves how he helps the team in multiple roles.
Prince- unlikely to be traded. He has added value to us as a team leader our young players respect

That’s a big chunk of our matching salary for any a trade. It’s possible we trade DLo (though we’d need to replace his shooting and playmaking), but if not, Naz (worth more to others than us), Nowell (if we decided we won’t pay him something like 3 for $50 this summer), and the rest are all cheap contracts that are tough to match. Not a lot of trade value here, since a team that wants Naz or Nowell may be able to offer nothing in trade, and simply sign them this summer, if they have the cap space. I suspect we stay put, and give the team more time to gel to see what we’ve got.

Valid points.

HOWEVER...This is where the Russell piece becomes more interesting. Because of his higher price tag, the likeliest outcome is to split him up into smaller salary pieces. However, we also have roster constraints to worry about, which is why dirt-cheap pieces like Nowell and Reid become more useful. I don't believe either of them get moved on their own. Value-wise I'd say maybe if someone offers a 1st, but then you're essentially selling as a team chasing the playoffs, which doesn't make sense.

The other avenue is to get involved in a bigger name who could be on the move. LaVine is just one example. Russell probably not enough value on his own, but Bulls could get a nice look at Reid for a team with basically just older UFA Vucevic.
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#724 » by Klomp » Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:29 pm

Thoughts on bringing Gary Trent Jr home? Do you think he would give a hometown discount in the summer?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#725 » by shrink » Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:36 pm

Klomp wrote:HOWEVER...This is where the Russell piece becomes more interesting. Because of his higher price tag, the likeliest outcome is to split him up into smaller salary pieces. However, we also have roster constraints to worry about, which is why dirt-cheap pieces like Nowell and Reid become more useful. I don't believe either of them get moved on their own. Value-wise I'd say maybe if someone offers a 1st, but then you're essentially selling as a team chasing the playoffs, which doesn't make sense.

Good post, and I agree that trading the rejuvenated Russell is the avenue that is the most interesting.

I know you know this Klomp, but for those that haven’t heard it before, trading Russell before he expires allows MIN to maintain the salary slot. If Russell expires and signs elsewhere, we don’t get $30 mil in cap space to find a replacement, as I hear occasionally elsewhere. Even if our payroll reduces by $30 mil, cap space is literally the space a team has under the salary cap, and since our payroll is well above that, losing DLo doesn’t create cap space to replace him. The most we could offer would be our mid-level exception, starting at about $12 mil, and starting PG’s usually get better deals than that. Even a trade which doesn’t quite bring back enough value might make sense for next year for flexibility.

Regarding roster spots, I’d expect a cheap player like Bryn Forbes to be attached to create spots. A deal for multiple players would help us salary match in a three-way, where DLO’s giant contract is a problem. Plus, breaking up DLo’s deal might make sense from a roster perspective, because if we can’t bring back a PG, we don’t have another starter role to offer.

I should give an example. I just saw a deal on the Trade Board that sent DLo and Wendell Moore Jr to WAS for Kuzma ($13), Monte Morris ($9) and Delon Wright ($8). WAS might do a deal like this if they don’t expect to be able to keep Kuzma. This starts the tank, gives them a young prospect, and clears off next year’s $18 mil in Morris and Wright. For MIN, they shouldn’t mind a little extra salary next year, and even though these players aren’t perfect fits, particularly since Kuzma would have to come off the bench, MIN can use their manageable salaries to match players that fit better. We can’t get from Point A to Point B with DLo, but we could get there if we make a stop at Point C.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#726 » by Klomp » Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:11 pm

shrink wrote:Regarding roster spots, I’d expect a cheap player like Bryn Forbes to be attached to create spots. A deal for multiple players would help us salary match in a three-way, where DLO’s giant contract is a problem. Plus, breaking up DLo’s deal might make sense from a roster perspective, because if we can’t bring back a PG, we don’t have another starter role to offer.

I should give an example. I just saw a deal on the Trade Board that sent DLo and Wendell Moore Jr to WAS for Kuzma ($13), Monte Morris ($9) and Delon Wright ($8). WAS might do a deal like this if they don’t expect to be able to keep Kuzma. This starts the tank, gives them a young prospect, and clears off next year’s $18 mil in Morris and Wright. For MIN, they shouldn’t mind a little extra salary next year, and even though these players aren’t perfect fits, particularly since Kuzma would have to come off the bench, MIN can use their manageable salaries to match players that fit better. We can’t get from Point A to Point B with DLo, but we could get there if we make a stop at Point C.

It also bears repeating to look at the current salary situation as a whole. Keep in mind, we are a year away from Ant holding a $30 million-plus salary and McDaniels likely around $20 million. With Towns ad Gobert on the books for over $90 million combined, the rest of the money may need to be stretched out as much as possible unless you feel you're adding a true difference-maker.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#727 » by shrink » Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:08 pm

Naz for Precious Achiuwa and a TOR 2nd?

Achiuwa isn’t as good as Naz, but he’s got an additional year of rookie scale and he can play PF.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#728 » by minimus » Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:27 pm

shrink wrote:Naz for Precious Achiuwa and a TOR 2nd?

Achiuwa isn’t as good as Naz, but he’s got an additional year of rookie scale and he can play PF.


Two trades that make sense IMO:

1) Naz for Precious Achiuwa and a TOR 2nd
2) Nowell, Forbes for IQ

Gobert/Towns/Knight + Garza
Towns/Anderson/Achiuwa
MCD/TP/Minott + Ryan
Edwards/IQ/Moore + Dozier
DLo/JMac/Rivers
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#729 » by Andrew McCeltic » Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:15 pm

Klomp wrote:
shrink wrote:Regarding roster spots, I’d expect a cheap player like Bryn Forbes to be attached to create spots. A deal for multiple players would help us salary match in a three-way, where DLO’s giant contract is a problem. Plus, breaking up DLo’s deal might make sense from a roster perspective, because if we can’t bring back a PG, we don’t have another starter role to offer.

I should give an example. I just saw a deal on the Trade Board that sent DLo and Wendell Moore Jr to WAS for Kuzma ($13), Monte Morris ($9) and Delon Wright ($8). WAS might do a deal like this if they don’t expect to be able to keep Kuzma. This starts the tank, gives them a young prospect, and clears off next year’s $18 mil in Morris and Wright. For MIN, they shouldn’t mind a little extra salary next year, and even though these players aren’t perfect fits, particularly since Kuzma would have to come off the bench, MIN can use their manageable salaries to match players that fit better. We can’t get from Point A to Point B with DLo, but we could get there if we make a stop at Point C.

It also bears repeating to look at the current salary situation as a whole. Keep in mind, we are a year away from Ant holding a $30 million-plus salary and McDaniels likely around $20 million. With Towns ad Gobert on the books for over $90 million combined, the rest of the money may need to be stretched out as much as possible unless you feel you're adding a true difference-maker.


Really curious what you all end up doing with DAR... That deal makes a little more sense for Washington, if it were me I'd try to flip Kuzma and/or get Avdija in the bargain..
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#730 » by TimberKat » Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:01 pm

How bad we are at 3 pt shooting this year is totally unexpected. I am not sure if it is because the bad point guard play that leads to that? So I am still thinking something like Hield+TJM for DLo?
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#731 » by minimus » Fri Dec 23, 2022 7:57 am

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Why Rui's value is so low?

Maybe we can pry him from WAS? Forbes, Ryan, 2nd round pick?
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#732 » by minimus » Fri Dec 23, 2022 8:05 am

TimberKat wrote:How bad we are at 3 pt shooting this year is totally unexpected. I am not sure if it is because the bad point guard play that leads to that? So I am still thinking something like Hield+TJM for DLo?


I wonder how we can resolve our shooting issues... We have "only" Reid and Nowell as assets and 2nd round picks... I can see only player who might be available for this price Immanuel Jaylen Quickley.
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Post#733 » by shangrila » Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:44 pm

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Why Rui's value is so low?

Maybe we can pry him from WAS? Forbes, Ryan, 2nd round pick?

Cause he sucks
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Post#734 » by cmoss84 » Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:25 am

What about Dlo and Nowell for Duncan Robinson, Oladipo, and Strus?
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#735 » by Klomp » Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:28 am

cmoss84 wrote:What about Dlo and Nowell for Duncan Robinson, Oladipo, and Strus?

What would that accomplish?
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#736 » by shrink » Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:34 am

cmoss84 wrote:What about Dlo and Nowell for Duncan Robinson, Oladipo, and Strus?

Duncan Robinson is a truly horrible contract. He was paid to be a shooter, and he can’t make a shot.

This year he’s a FG 35.6%, 3P 32.2%, 2.0 RB, 1.3 AST, 6.9 PTS.

Yet he’s in the first year of a four year deal that pays him $75 mil, $64 guaranteed.
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Post#737 » by cmoss84 » Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:37 am

I have no clue. Just heard people on here saying we need to trade Dlo or lose his money slot...and breaking it into smaller pieces adds flexibility. And we need 3 pt shooting. And I'd rather pay Naz than Nowell.
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#738 » by IceManBK1 » Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:49 am

How about Gobert to Tor for Siakam and OG?
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#739 » by Domejandro » Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:50 am

IceManBK1 wrote:How about Gobert to Tor for Siakam and OG?

Why would Toronto do this? This isn’t even a remotely reasonable trade offer.
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Post#740 » by IceManBK1 » Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:57 am

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IceManBK1 wrote:How about Gobert to Tor for Siakam and OG?

Why would Toronto do this? This isn’t even a remotely reasonable trade offer.

Give them McDaniels too to make the trade more even.

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