Boogie! wrote:Randle McMurphy wrote:Boogie! wrote:
People always go off about how he played in those series without talking about how horrible he was the first two, and him being unplayable almost cost us the 2nd round if it wasn’t for kawhi carrying.
Irrelevant to my point (and 3/4 of the roster was also unplayable against the 76ers). They don't win either the Bucks series or the Warriors series if FVV is not on the Raptors that season. Consequently, they don't win the championship without FVV. How much does that bother you?
It bothers me that he has been overhyped. For years I was saying it would be a mistake to build around him, even before the raptors signed him to that long term deal, and everyone was calling me crazy and a troll and an idiot even though I knew he would forever limit the potential of the team expecting him tp carry us. Nick nurse wanted him as a top scoring option shooting such miserable percentages. And the raptors capped out as a middle first round exit team and year after year people keep acting like fvv is this amazing player:leader but he keeps losing in the first round.
So yes, my beef is largely with the fact that I was relentlessly attacked for stating my opinion on who he was as a player, that I feel the need to emphasize that he is still that same player wherever he goes.
Again, this isn’t even to say he’s a bad player. I respect his work ethic, I respect he made something of himself, I respect that he got the contract that he did. But again, he’s still the same player I said he was as a raptor and he’s forever gonna limit the potential of the teams he’s on in the role he’s in. Make him a sixth man on the warriors or something and he’ll be great.
Was he overhyped? I feel like most reasonable posters/fans saw him as a good starter but no one confused him for a superstar. If anything, he was overhated. You say **** like "expected him to carry us" but no one ever expected him. No one WANTED him as a top scoring option either, but people recognized he was a better option than what we had at the time to run the offense.
I also disagree that the team ever was built around FVV OR that any long term deal was a mistake. FVV was underpaid his entire tenure as a Raptor. He never made more than $20~M a year when he was here, and at no point were we "building" around FVV.
You got hated on for being unreasonably negative. While pretty much everyone who "attacked" (lol) you was simply stating he is being asked to do more than he is capable of, it was the anti-FVV brigade that was complaining he was not a #1 option superstar. Anyone who liked the guy pretty much understood his limitations and still was able to see he was a positive player despite it.
And the raptors capped out as a middle first round exit team and year after year people keep acting like fvv is this amazing player:leader but he keeps losing in the first round.
Seems odd to put an entire teams shortcomings on one player who was not the best player on any of these teams.
FVV is certainly a floor raiser and not a ceiling raiser, but he still is a good player. HE is entirely overpaid, but I wouldn't doubt if he signs a deal this year to be a 4th/5th best guy somewhere and starts at PG and is on a good team next year (or maybe he just bag chases again, who knows). But really his Houston stint has proven most of the Raptors board wrong about him and yet here you are with your heels still dragging in the sand unable to admit you were wrong.
