2014 Free Agency Thread

Post #741 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue May 6, 2014 4:07 pm

OMG

Did BobsBuddy just post a trade idea with two plausible trades and a half way intelligent starting 5?

LofJ · Post #742 » by **LofJ** » Tue May 6, 2014 5:08 pm

yosemiteben wrote:OMG

Did BobsBuddy just post a trade idea with two plausible trades and a half way intelligent starting 5?

I guess we're glossing over the complete insanity that is trading an elite 20 year old wing defender/rebounder for Chandler Parsons? Yeah...hell no to that. Houston would be playing San Antonio tonight if they swapped Parsons for MKG.

Eoghan · Post #743 » by **Eoghan** » Tue May 6, 2014 5:46 pm

Let alone the Detroit pick. MKG & Det pick is a huge overpay for Parsons.

HornetJail · Post #744 » by **HornetJail** » Tue May 6, 2014 7:49 pm

yosemiteben wrote:OMG

Did BobsBuddy just post a trade idea with two plausible trades and a half way intelligent starting 5?

no. he just proposed trading MKG and Detroit's 1st for Chandler Parsons and letting our glue guy walk for the opposite of a glue guy.

Fred Williamson · Post #745 » by **Fred Williamson** » Tue May 6, 2014 9:33 pm

Parsons is trash. One of the most overrated players in the league.

amcoolio · Post #746 » by **amcoolio** » Tue May 6, 2014 10:05 pm

Fred Williamson wrote:Parsons is trash. One of the most overrated players in the league.

Agreed. I wouldn't call him trash, but I would honestly take McBob over Parsons without hesitation given their contracts.

catch20two · Post #747 » by **catch20two** » Tue May 6, 2014 10:08 pm

Fred Williamson wrote:Parsons is trash. One of the most overrated players in the league.

Whoa there. He's not trash but definitely not worth trading half the farm for neither.

catch20two · Post #748 » by **catch20two** » Tue May 6, 2014 10:11 pm

amcoolio wrote:
Fred Williamson wrote:Parsons is trash. One of the most overrated players in the league.

Agreed. I wouldn't call him trash, but I would honestly take McBob over Parsons without hesitation given their contracts.

I would happily pay Parsons $8-10mil before I'd pay McBob $3-5mil. However I like McBob and want him back pending on what other options may become available.

HornetJail · Post #749 » by **HornetJail** » Tue May 6, 2014 10:30 pm

catch20two wrote:
amcoolio wrote:
Fred Williamson wrote:Parsons is trash. One of the most overrated players in the league.

Agreed. I wouldn't call him trash, but I would honestly take McBob over Parsons without hesitation given their contracts.

I would happily pay Parsons $8-10mil before I'd pay McBob $3-5mil. However I like McBob and want him back pending on what other options may become available.

I'd trade anything short of Kemba, Al, MKG, Detroit's pick, or Biz (might consider straight up though they wouldn't) for Parsons. Parsons is really, really good. Averages 16/5.5/4 and shoots 47/37/74 as a third banana. He'd probably start for us as well. All you people fawning over Gordon Hayward should be looking at this guy more. I'd put Parsons in the Batum/Iguodala/Kawhi range of small forwards.

Can you imagine if Clifford decided to play Big Al and Biyombo together and managed to pull off a deal like Zeller and 24 for Parsons (or even better, just sign him in 2015 though I doubt we have that kind of cap space with Kemba, Biz, and Al needing new contracts)

I'm drooling thinking about an eight-man rotation that includes Al, Biz, McBob, Parsons, MKG, Kemba, CDR, and another ball-handling guard that we get with Detroit's pick? So many damn options!

Al/Biz
McBob/Parsons
MKG/Parsons
CDR/DET pick
Kemba/DET pick

Al/Biz
Biz/McBob
Parsons/CDR
MKG/DET pick
Kemba/DET pick

Al/Biz
MKG/McBob
Parsons/MKG
DET pick/CDR
Kemba/DET pick

Any of these lineups with a defensive backup center, a few three-point shooters like Tolliver or Pargo or even Neal- that's a winning basketball team.

Even if Chandler Parsons isn't available, any of Lance Stephenson, Arron Afflalo, Jeff Green... anybody in that mold that we could get either with cap space or by trading some combination of 24, 45, Taylor, Hendo, Neal, Haywood, (or even Zeller depending on what the offer is), without giving up any true members of the core - Al, MKG, Kemba, Al, McBob, and Detroit's pick. I'd take it and run.

amcoolio · Post #750 » by **amcoolio** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:51 am

catch20two wrote:
amcoolio wrote:
Fred Williamson wrote:Parsons is trash. One of the most overrated players in the league.

Agreed. I wouldn't call him trash, but I would honestly take McBob over Parsons without hesitation given their contracts.

I would happily pay Parsons $8-10mil before I'd pay McBob $3-5mil. However I like McBob and want him back pending on what other options may become available.

I thought the same before the year, but I just didn't feel it watching his playoff series. Hou-Por is one of the only ones I watched since it came on so late. Then again he's playing with two divas with horrible body language so maybe he needs a better team environment.

Ok, I take it back. Where would he fit though? It would slide MKG to shooting guard, or bring him off the bench

catch20two · Post #751 » by **catch20two** » Wed May 7, 2014 1:03 am

amcoolio wrote:
catch20two wrote:
amcoolio wrote:
Agreed. I wouldn't call him trash, but I would honestly take McBob over Parsons without hesitation given their contracts.

I would happily pay Parsons $8-10mil before I'd pay McBob $3-5mil. However I like McBob and want him back pending on what other options may become available.

I thought the same before the year, but I just didn't feel it watching his playoff series. Hou-Por is one of the only ones I watched since it came on so late. Then again he's playing with two divas with horrible body language so maybe he needs a better team environment.

Ok, I take it back. Where would he fit though? It would slide MKG to shooting guard, or bring him off the bench

I thought Parsons played well in this year's playoffs. He averaged 19 points on middling efficiency and 7 boards. If we signed him I would probably want him starting at SF and move MKG to defensive SG like Tony Allen. Knowing Cliff he would never be flexible enough to play MKG at SG so maybe MKG will have to come off the bench until he get his offensive game up. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing Parsons off the bench as a super 6th man with starter minutes that play the 2, 3, and 4 positions either. All I know is that Parsons is a decent player and too good to pass up if he's available.

JMAC3 · Post #752 » by **JMAC3** » Wed May 7, 2014 2:39 am

I still think Avery Bradley would be a really nice pickup, I do not think he would cost that much. His offensive game has really grown over the last year and a half and he is still a top 5 perimeter defender in the league. He showed he could be a reliable 20 point scorer over stretches of the season, although it was on a bad team. Bradley has the competitive nature that I think his aggressiveness and increase in scoring would continue to grow no matter what team he played for.

I think he is opposite of Henderson, who scored more effectively on bad teams than he did on good teams. Henderson still can not hit three pointers to save his life whereas Avery Bradley has continued to improve in this area. Bradley made 79 threes this year and knocked them down at 40% clip. His midrange game is what impresses me the most especially coming off high pick and rolls. He is able to create a lot of offense from his defense as well. I know its a small sample size for his outside shot, but the thing that is encouraging is he improved shooting the three in almost every month throughout year and ended season shooting ball really well.

Lets take a look at stats for this year, Avery Bradley who missed 22 games and therefore played limited minutes in more than a handful, because he was not 100% averaged 14.9 and Henderson who played in 77 games averaged 14 ppg. We can all agree that we need a third scorer, somebody who can consistently go for 20 other than Kemba and Big Al. So in 81 games including playoffs Henderson went for more than 20 points 11 times. Avery Bradley went for 20 or more in 16 games and really finished the season strong.

Bradley seems like a low risk, high reward pickup. The only thing that is worrisome is that he is a smaller 2 guard at just 6-2 or 6-3. However in a league where small ball seems to be taking over, where many teams start or play 2 point guards for long stretches of the game anyways, I think it would be fine. I can not really think of any 2 guards I would be worried about Bradley playing against other than Joe Johnson and Demarr Derozan simply because of their size and length, but they play a lot 3 on their respective teams.

Elden Payton · Post #753 » by **Elden Payton** » Wed May 7, 2014 2:42 am

I really think the Celts will have a king's ransom on Bradley's head.

He'd be a great pickup for sure though.

Liver_Pooty · Post #754 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed May 7, 2014 2:56 am

Sik Infant wrote:I really think the Celts will have a king's ransom on Bradley's head.

He'd be a great pickup for sure though.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-ba ... or-bradley

Could possibly get him cheap

Post #755 » by **JDR720** » Wed May 7, 2014 3:13 am

http://www.rufusonfire.com/2014/5/2/567 ... ason-needs

catch20two · Post #756 » by **catch20two** » Wed May 7, 2014 3:54 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:I really think the Celts will have a king's ransom on Bradley's head.

He'd be a great pickup for sure though.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-ba ... or-bradley

Could possibly get him cheap

Like I said in the wings thread. He's only worth about 4 mil. Backup material.

Post #757 » by **JDR720** » Wed May 7, 2014 3:55 am

catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:I really think the Celts will have a king's ransom on Bradley's head.

He'd be a great pickup for sure though.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-ba ... or-bradley

Could possibly get him cheap

Like I said in the wings thread. He's only worth about 4 mil. Backup material.

Can never have to much depth

catch20two · Post #758 » by **catch20two** » Wed May 7, 2014 3:59 am

JDR720 wrote:
catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-ba ... or-bradley

Could possibly get him cheap

Like I said in the wings thread. He's only worth about 4 mil. Backup material.

Can never have to much depth

I wonder how solid he can be as a backup PG. I know his handles are limited but I'm not sure to what extent since I don't watch that much of the Celtics on TV.

mrknowitall215 · Post #759 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed May 7, 2014 4:07 am

catch20two wrote:I wonder how solid he can be as a backup PG. I know his handles are limited but I'm not sure to what extent since I don't watch that much of the Celtics on TV.

Avery Bradley played almost twofold the majority of his minutes at point guard this year for the Celtics. Bradley's defense, which is his stronghold, is most effective against point guards rather than shooting guards. At the shooting guard position Bradley is just a average & undersized defender, but he's above average as a point guard where his length come into play. It's difficult to evaluate him as a point guard since he's not much of playmaker at all, and his preferred shot is the corner 3-pointer

I wouldn't recommend Bradley for Charlotte. He's not really ideal for any team as a backup point guard unless they have a reserve shooting guard that can alleviate him as a ball handler and share facilitating duties with him, since he's below average at garnering assist

HornetJail · Post #760 » by **HornetJail** » Wed May 7, 2014 4:11 am

catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:I really think the Celts will have a king's ransom on Bradley's head.

He'd be a great pickup for sure though.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-ba ... or-bradley

Could possibly get him cheap

Like I said in the wings thread. He's only worth about 4 mil. Backup material.

Not remotely a point guard (only averaged 1.4apg despite starting 58 games and had 11 more TOs than AST all year). Purely a two-guard, but if he's cheap, I'd take him. Somehow managed 39.5% on threes last year on 200 attempts too.