2019 Draft Thread

[skones]

Give me one of Sirvydis or Obiesie. Stash em for 1-2 years in Europe in order to leave that last roster spot open for a ring-chasing vet. Win-win.

How do cap holds work for euro stashes? Given where we'll be lux tax wise I can easily be talked into Samanic, Sirvydis and especially Obiesie.

No cap hold applies.

Edit: That's why late 2nd rounders get used on fringe NBA prospects as long as you can stash them. No downside besides a 'wasted' pick you can buy anyway.

Did that change in the last CBA? I'm pretty sure Mirotic counted against the Bulls salary until the regular season began the year he was drafted. It was something like the later date of pro contract signed/beginning of the NBA regular season.

[LuessiT]

How do cap holds work for euro stashes? Given where we'll be lux tax wise I can easily be talked into Samanic, Sirvydis and especially Obiesie.

No cap hold applies.

Edit: That's why late 2nd rounders get used on fringe NBA prospects as long as you can stash them. No downside besides a 'wasted' pick you can buy anyway.

Did that change in the last CBA? I'm pretty sure Mirotic counted against the Bulls salary until the regular season began the year he was drafted. It was something like the later date of pro contract signed/beginning of the NBA regular season.

50. Are draft picks included in team salary? If so, for how much?
Unsigned first round picks are included in team salary at 120% of the player's scale salary amount immediately upon their selection in the draft. Once a first round pick signs a contract, his actual salary is included in the team salary, of course.

An unsigned first round pick is removed from team salary if the team and player both agree in writing not to sign any contract through the following June 30. The scale amount is returned to the team salary the following July 1. If the team renounces its draft rights, the player's scale amount is removed from the team salary permanently, and the team relinquishes its draft rights to the player (see question number 52).

If a first round pick signs with a non-NBA team, his scale amount is excluded from the team salary on the date he signs his non-NBA contract or the first day of the regular season, whichever is later. The scale amount goes back onto the team salary on the following July 1 or when his non-NBA contract ends, whichever is earlier. In other words, these cap holds are removed for players playing outside the NBA, but only during the regular season.

Unsigned second round picks are not included in team salary. This is a loophole teams sometimes leverage by trading late first round picks for early second round picks in order to clear cap room.

As described in question number 89, the trade value of an unsigned first or second round draft pick is always $0.

I don't know if it changed or since when. I'm just familiar with the current CBA.

[skones]

I don't know if it changed or since when. I'm just familiar with the current CBA.

Missed the question about the lux tax implications. Looks like the rule is the same. Daddy's still got it.

[Buck Yeah]

Kevin Porter is a shot in the dark. One of the youngest players in the draft, if not the youngest. If he's available at 30, he may have the highest upside left. There's also a decent chance he never sees meaningful minutes in the NBA. It's a gamble, but at 30 it's a gamble worth considering. It's like taking a Rashad Vaughn at 30 rather than 17. The Bucks have had much more success recently with the older players like Brogdon and Brown, so I would go that direction.

Going back over the last decade, the Bucks have drafted a lot of guys in the 2nd that ended up "hits" that were dominant Seniors:
Brogdon, *Brown, Powell, Leuer, LRMAM

The upside/ceiling list is riddled with "misses":
McCaw, Inglis, JOB, Ledo, Lamb, Hobson

[Ruzious]

I too am worried about him shooting 3's but his FT-routine is broken. He's a guy where trying to implicate shooting touch (or the lack thereoff) by relying on FT% doesn't work well. I like him at 30 but I don't realy see the boom or bust in him. From a prospect perspective alone he's a high floor medium ceiling kinda guy. There are some controversities out there and a lack of production, but he's got some NBA skills other players at that range don't have and those should translate.

It's both the low production and the off court issues that make me think he can very easily bust. But at 30, that's a reasonable risk to take.

The 'off the court issues' supposedly is just him smoking weed (at least that is what I heard). Make of that what you will.

That's not the case. From nbadraft.net:

Talking to NBA scouts regarding Porter, there are a lot of off court concerns surrounding maturity and decision making ... Has had a number of well documaneted incidents including a run in with Coach Andy Enfield, and it's safe to say that Porter doesn't have the best reputation for being a mature, team focused guy ... Lacks discipline, focus, structure ...

[Ron Swanson]

Kevin Porter isn't gonna be there at 30. If he is then you obviously take him without thinking twice, but he won't be.

[crkone]

http://woelfelspressbox.com/2019/05/bucks-check-out-draft-prospects/

After watching countless players during the collegiate season and traveling overseas to check out draft-eligible players, the Bucks are now getting up-close-and-personal looks in private workouts in Milwaukee.

One took place Tuesday with team officials working out several intriguing prospects, including three who were highly touted prep players before attending their respective colleges.

Two of them were freshmen guards Quentin Grimes (pictured) and Devon Dotson of Kansas. Both were five star recruits coming out of high school and turned in solid freshmen seasons with the Jayhawks.

Joining Dotson and Grimes at the Bucks’ workout were EJ Montgomery of Kentucky and Dererk Pardon of Northwestern. Montgomery, a 6-10 power forward, was also a five-star recruit coming out of high school and ranked 11th in the country by Rivals, played in each of Kentucky’s 37 games and started 10 of them.

[LuessiT]

Kevin Porter isn't gonna be there at 30. If he is then you obviously take him without thinking twice, but he won't be.

There are quite a few players who the consensus thinks won't be there at 30 but will be there. Once you get outside the lottery it's a crapshoot who gets drafted where. That said I'm pretty sure we trade our pick.

[Ruzious]

Kevin Porter isn't gonna be there at 30. If he is then you obviously take him without thinking twice, but he won't be.

There are quite a few players who the consensus thinks won't be there at 30 but will be there. Once you get outside the lottery it's a crapshoot who gets drafted where. That said I'm pretty sure we trade our pick.

Do you think we're going to trade it in order to dump Snell's contract? (Sorry if you've already discussed.)

[LuessiT]

Kevin Porter isn't gonna be there at 30. If he is then you obviously take him without thinking twice, but he won't be.

There are quite a few players who the consensus thinks won't be there at 30 but will be there. Once you get outside the lottery it's a crapshoot who gets drafted where. That said I'm pretty sure we trade our pick.

Do you think we're going to trade it in order to dump Snell's contract? (Sorry if you've already discussed.)

Yes, I think that is what is happening. The problem is that if we wanted to trade Snell + a pick, the draft is the best opportunity because our picks are tied up after that. Which means keeping your options open doesn't really apply because that option will be gone. And honestly it's not that bad, we may be able to buy a mid second round pick if we wanted to.

[Hoopz Afrik]

How do you all feel about Matisse Thybulle?

[emunney]

How do you all feel about Matisse Thybulle?

Love him. One of my favorite players to watch in CBB this year.

[bucksfansince88]

How do you all feel about Matisse Thybulle?

Went to a few UW games this year and wasn’t impressed at all by him, but he defends well in the zone scheme don’t know what kind of man to man defender he is. Jaylen Nowell looked like the only NBA player on that team imo

[LuessiT]

How do you all feel about Matisse Thybulle?

Only interest in him would be as an UDFA. He's going to be unable to play on offense for a while.

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah, I'm not seeing it with Thybulle. He's just too much of a negative on offense. I see his absolute best case scenario as, idk, Iman Shumpert?

[Chuck Diesel]

Iman Shumpert at 30 would be an awesome pick. Dude’s been a rotation player for 8 years and still going.

[emunney]

Still remember sitting baseline at Duke/GT and watching Shumpert mirror Singler everywhere on the floor. Stood out playing with Favors and against an eventual national champion. That was the WPGFD year.

[emunney]

This is over 12.5 feet. Over 12 is elite. 12-6.5 is not even a category.

Read on Twitter

[Ruzious]

Chuma Okeke To Stay In Draft, Skip Combine
May 13th, 2019 at 7:27pm CST by Dana Gauruder
Auburn sophomore forward Chuma Okeke will sign with an agent and keep his name in the NBA draft, ESPN’s Jonathan Givony tweets.

Okeke has decided not to participate in the NBA Combine, apparently comfortable with his draft status, Givony adds. The 6’8” Okeke is currently ranked No. 41 by Givony.

The decision to sit out the Combine suggests Okeke will go higher than that, perhaps in the first round. Okeke suffered a torn left ACL during the NCAA Tournament and underwent surgery on April 2nd.

I really like him for the Bucks, but I think it was a bad choice to skip the combine even with his ACL injury. There's still a lot he could have learned there. He won't slip to 41 (Givoney), but he could slip to the Bucks pick. Man, there's a lot to like about his overall game, and he came up big in the big games. Defensively, he reminds me of Draymond Green. And he can make 3's.

Killian Tillie also withdrew from the combine. That's a red flag to me - he doesn't have confidence that he'd do well. Maybe he's just too slow for the NBA.

[ReasonablySober]

Lotto day. Gotta keep Zion off a couple select teams.