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[Bogyo]

Woman problems? I thought he just got engaged less than 2mths ago

Yep, think its over and messy!

Nah, you got his womenz messed up.

He is doing fine with his Fiancé (Shylynnitaa). The ex that tried to blackmail him (Makena LeDuff) was a chick that he broke up with back in 2019.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/15/kelly-oubre-claims-lawsuit-ex-girlfriend-attempted-extortion-3-million-dollars/

Now you could be talking about the infamous Celina Powell, the chick who outed the Suns running a train on her like 2 years ago, i guess it was either that damn good that he went back for seconds or he missed out and Booker filled him in on how good it was because Oubre banged her and her friend late last year.



But that was all leaked a good 4 or 5 months before him and his girlfriend got engaged, so she had to have known about it and been fine with marrying him anyway (Its amazing what having a ton of money can do for you).

B*tches heal like Wolverine if the bank account is nice
We've seen this so many times with ballers...

[Revived]

Passing on Halleburton really stings. Looked like a vet against the Raptors and just knows how to play every part of the game.

Passing on him could be the 2nd biggest mistake we’ve made in the draft in just the past 3 years.

[Adrao]

I imagine Haliburton being drafted but playing 7.8 minutes per game here. It's happening with Jalen.

[Kerrsed]

An interesting idea:

Phoenix Suns
The Lonzo-LeBron pairing was brief, but more effective than most remember. They played 821 minutes together and outscored opponents by 57 points in that time, not exactly a championship pace, but more than enough on a lottery team. That stretch was proof of concept. Ball is a point guard in name, but provided there is enough shooting on the floor to support him, functions best alongside another high-usage ball-handler.

Well, Phoenix has two of them in Devin Booker and Chris Paul. Just ask Shai Gilgeous-Alexander what an effective mentor Paul can be. At 36 years old, he isn't going to be around forever, and eventually, Phoenix is going to need someone to replace him as Booker's partner in the backcourt. Ball is a perfect theoretical complement to Booker, a defender that can keep teammates engaged during Booker's scoring binges.

Phoenix had the perfect opportunity to add such a player on draft night when Tyrese Haliburton slipped to their slot at No. 10. They passed him up in favor of Maryland big man Jalen Smith, which inadvertently gave the Suns an easy pathway to this sort of deal. DeAndre Ayton is the center of the future, and Jae Crowder and Cam Johnson are mainstays at power forward. That likely only leaves room for one of Smith or Dario Saric to play major minutes for the long haul, and New Orleans sorely needs a stretch big man to play alongside Williamson. A Saric-Ball swap solves problems for both sides. Phoenix gets its point guard of the future and clears Smith's spot. New Orleans adds a cheap stretch big man to use as an alternative to Steven Adams.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lonzo-ball-trade-rumors-five-best-fits-for-the-former-no-2-overall-pick/

Back-up PG for a couple seasons then under CP3, then becomes our starting PG? Saric will never be our starting C or PF unless someone or sometwo gets injured. Leaves our big men depth a bit thin.

As for Ball; his shooting has improved (But is still kinda low) to a 40% FG and 35% from 3. Still a solid defender, his assists have also taken a MAJOR hit since he now shares ball-duty with Bledsoe. I think we have some of the best 3 point shooters in the league and think we could work with Zo and improve his shooting a bit more. If he could learn from CP3 these next few seasons and pick up on some of those veteran tricks that he uses, he could be an outstanding pick-up.

BUT........... despite what the article says, i think he would cost us a bit more than Dario, and i dont know if i would be willing to pay much more.

[Saberestar]

An interesting idea:

Phoenix Suns
The Lonzo-LeBron pairing was brief, but more effective than most remember. They played 821 minutes together and outscored opponents by 57 points in that time, not exactly a championship pace, but more than enough on a lottery team. That stretch was proof of concept. Ball is a point guard in name, but provided there is enough shooting on the floor to support him, functions best alongside another high-usage ball-handler.

Well, Phoenix has two of them in Devin Booker and Chris Paul. Just ask Shai Gilgeous-Alexander what an effective mentor Paul can be. At 36 years old, he isn't going to be around forever, and eventually, Phoenix is going to need someone to replace him as Booker's partner in the backcourt. Ball is a perfect theoretical complement to Booker, a defender that can keep teammates engaged during Booker's scoring binges.

Phoenix had the perfect opportunity to add such a player on draft night when Tyrese Haliburton slipped to their slot at No. 10. They passed him up in favor of Maryland big man Jalen Smith, which inadvertently gave the Suns an easy pathway to this sort of deal. DeAndre Ayton is the center of the future, and Jae Crowder and Cam Johnson are mainstays at power forward. That likely only leaves room for one of Smith or Dario Saric to play major minutes for the long haul, and New Orleans sorely needs a stretch big man to play alongside Williamson. A Saric-Ball swap solves problems for both sides. Phoenix gets its point guard of the future and clears Smith's spot. New Orleans adds a cheap stretch big man to use as an alternative to Steven Adams.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lonzo-ball-trade-rumors-five-best-fits-for-the-former-no-2-overall-pick/

Back-up PG for a couple seasons then under CP3, then becomes our starting PG? Saric will never be our starting C or PF unless someone or sometwo gets injured. Leaves our big men depth a bit thin.

As for Ball; his shooting has improved (But is still kinda low) to a 40% FG and 35% from 3. Still a solid defender, his assists have also taken a MAJOR hit since he now shares ball-duty with Bledsoe. I think we have some of the best 3 point shooters in the league and think we could work with Zo and improve his shooting a bit more. If he could learn from CP3 these next few seasons and pick up on some of those veteran tricks that he uses, he could be an outstanding pick-up.

BUT........... despite what the article says, i think he would cost us a bit more than Dario, and i dont know if i would be willing to pay much more.

Lonzo Ball?? No, thank you.

I see him as a bench player on a winning team. I would not trade Saric for him.

[phx#7]

An interesting idea:

Phoenix Suns
The Lonzo-LeBron pairing was brief, but more effective than most remember. They played 821 minutes together and outscored opponents by 57 points in that time, not exactly a championship pace, but more than enough on a lottery team. That stretch was proof of concept. Ball is a point guard in name, but provided there is enough shooting on the floor to support him, functions best alongside another high-usage ball-handler.

Well, Phoenix has two of them in Devin Booker and Chris Paul. Just ask Shai Gilgeous-Alexander what an effective mentor Paul can be. At 36 years old, he isn't going to be around forever, and eventually, Phoenix is going to need someone to replace him as Booker's partner in the backcourt. Ball is a perfect theoretical complement to Booker, a defender that can keep teammates engaged during Booker's scoring binges.

Phoenix had the perfect opportunity to add such a player on draft night when Tyrese Haliburton slipped to their slot at No. 10. They passed him up in favor of Maryland big man Jalen Smith, which inadvertently gave the Suns an easy pathway to this sort of deal. DeAndre Ayton is the center of the future, and Jae Crowder and Cam Johnson are mainstays at power forward. That likely only leaves room for one of Smith or Dario Saric to play major minutes for the long haul, and New Orleans sorely needs a stretch big man to play alongside Williamson. A Saric-Ball swap solves problems for both sides. Phoenix gets its point guard of the future and clears Smith's spot. New Orleans adds a cheap stretch big man to use as an alternative to Steven Adams.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lonzo-ball-trade-rumors-five-best-fits-for-the-former-no-2-overall-pick/

Back-up PG for a couple seasons then under CP3, then becomes our starting PG? Saric will never be our starting C or PF unless someone or sometwo gets injured. Leaves our big men depth a bit thin.

As for Ball; his shooting has improved (But is still kinda low) to a 40% FG and 35% from 3. Still a solid defender, his assists have also taken a MAJOR hit since he now shares ball-duty with Bledsoe. I think we have some of the best 3 point shooters in the league and think we could work with Zo and improve his shooting a bit more. If he could learn from CP3 these next few seasons and pick up on some of those veteran tricks that he uses, he could be an outstanding pick-up.

BUT........... despite what the article says, i think he would cost us a bit more than Dario, and i dont know if i would be willing to pay much more.

I wouldn't even want to give Dario alone. I'd be willing to kick the tires on Lonzo but there is no way to make the money work without giving up players more productive than he has shown to be.

[bwgood77]

An interesting idea:

Phoenix Suns
The Lonzo-LeBron pairing was brief, but more effective than most remember. They played 821 minutes together and outscored opponents by 57 points in that time, not exactly a championship pace, but more than enough on a lottery team. That stretch was proof of concept. Ball is a point guard in name, but provided there is enough shooting on the floor to support him, functions best alongside another high-usage ball-handler.

Well, Phoenix has two of them in Devin Booker and Chris Paul. Just ask Shai Gilgeous-Alexander what an effective mentor Paul can be. At 36 years old, he isn't going to be around forever, and eventually, Phoenix is going to need someone to replace him as Booker's partner in the backcourt. Ball is a perfect theoretical complement to Booker, a defender that can keep teammates engaged during Booker's scoring binges.

Phoenix had the perfect opportunity to add such a player on draft night when Tyrese Haliburton slipped to their slot at No. 10. They passed him up in favor of Maryland big man Jalen Smith, which inadvertently gave the Suns an easy pathway to this sort of deal. DeAndre Ayton is the center of the future, and Jae Crowder and Cam Johnson are mainstays at power forward. That likely only leaves room for one of Smith or Dario Saric to play major minutes for the long haul, and New Orleans sorely needs a stretch big man to play alongside Williamson. A Saric-Ball swap solves problems for both sides. Phoenix gets its point guard of the future and clears Smith's spot. New Orleans adds a cheap stretch big man to use as an alternative to Steven Adams.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lonzo-ball-trade-rumors-five-best-fits-for-the-former-no-2-overall-pick/

Back-up PG for a couple seasons then under CP3, then becomes our starting PG? Saric will never be our starting C or PF unless someone or sometwo gets injured. Leaves our big men depth a bit thin.

As for Ball; his shooting has improved (But is still kinda low) to a 40% FG and 35% from 3. Still a solid defender, his assists have also taken a MAJOR hit since he now shares ball-duty with Bledsoe. I think we have some of the best 3 point shooters in the league and think we could work with Zo and improve his shooting a bit more. If he could learn from CP3 these next few seasons and pick up on some of those veteran tricks that he uses, he could be an outstanding pick-up.

BUT........... despite what the article says, i think he would cost us a bit more than Dario, and i dont know if i would be willing to pay much more.

I wouldn't mind Ball if we could get him for a couple role players, but wouldn't trade Saric, Cam, Stix or Crowder for him. If we could get him for something like Carter, Galloway and Moore, I'd be good with that. I wouldn't want to pay him much in the offseason though. I want to see where Payne is. Ball is a great passer and defender and sometimes a good 3pt shooter.

[Revived]

Because our is OVERRATED. I have been said he is WAY in over his head. He is.

How you over rate rookie coach who's only few months into this gig

you have to overrate nash because the words to describe how awful he is havent been created yet. no matter how badly you rate him, thats not bad enough

Man I was simply browsing the Nets forum today and they really have it out for Steve Nash. He really is in an awful situation as a first time HC with so many guys who need/want the ball in their hands the whole game. I bet he’s jealous of Steve Kerr who walked into a situation where he had such unselfish players that embraced ball movement and defense.

If the Nets fire Nash at some point, I hope we bring him here as an assistant coach.

[SunsRback4Good]

Can't blame Nash for the Nets team playing bad defensively. He had no say on the Harden trade, before that you had Allen who was a good defender in the paint. But i'm sure they will pick up a few decent defenders before the trade deadline and should be fine. Right now they have no chemistry as a unit since new players keep coming in and out. Offensively they are a juggernaut even without Harden they managed to put up 146 points in a loss.

[bwgood77]

I've never seen Nash as coaching material really. Luckily he has a team with 3 superstars.

I'm not surprised fans are not happy with him given their talent and the teams they've been losing to. If we had that kind of talent and were getting swept by the likes of Cleveland a lot of people would want the coach fired already.

[lilfishi22]

I always saw Nash as having HC ability with a strong support staff but his first introduction to head coaching is as close to a baptism by fire as there possibly could be. Everything would have to fall into place perfectly for a rookie coach to be successful there. Having two divas (Kyrie/Harden), no defensive players and insanely high expectations puts an unfair amount of pressure on a first time head coach, no matter how respected and how good he might be.

[King4Day]

Probably the most inexcusable play you'll see all season. What a stinger. The epitome of not having chemistry. Harris didn't expect KD to go the other way and KD tried faking his guy.

https://streamable.com/lhuekc

[bwgood77]

I always saw Nash as having HC ability with a strong support staff but his first introduction to head coaching is as close to a baptism by fire as there possibly could be. Everything would have to fall into place perfectly for a rookie coach to be successful there. Having two divas (Kyrie/Harden), no defensive players and insanely high expectations puts an unfair amount of pressure on a first time head coach, no matter how respected and how good he might be.

That's one of the easiest rosters to win with, especially when it gets to playoff time where stars make the difference. All situations will have their challenges, but the biggest challenge to winning by far is having enough talent. He ended up with 2 top 5-7 players and another in the top 15 or so along with another sharp shooter.

Harden seems to be completely buying into the team concept..not taking a ton of shots, etc. Kyrie is out there but ultimately he will want to win.

It will always be hard to beat the teams with stars and continuity so it will be tough to beat out the Bucks, Sixers and Celtics, but they should be a 2nd round playoff team.

There is probably a better chance they'd go further with a better coach though.

I'm curious what you saw in Nash that made him a guy with HC ability? I never really saw him teaching people...not in the slightest like Paul does. I do remember people always saying "Nash can mentor this guy" a lot but it never happened. Of course Dragic became good later, but didn't seem to have much to do with Nash, other than playing with him for 5 years or so and picking up things from him by watching and practicing with him.

I think D'Antoni's system is a good one, as is Kerr's, and that's obviously the kind of thing they want to run, and that's successful on it's own, but you do have iso players so they will likely play how they want to an extent anyway. We see it with Paul but with two guys who do their own thing, particularly Harden, he almost doesn't need a coach....but he seems to be buying in anyway. But when you have 3 guys who can take over games by themselves, I don't think having some success should be that difficult.

[bwgood77]

Probably the most inexcusable play you'll see all season. What a stinger. The epitome of not having chemistry. Harris didn't expect KD to go the other way and KD tried faking his guy.

https://streamable.com/lhuekc

Happy for Wizards fans, who have had a rough season. That must have been about the most exhilirating win you could have.

[King4Day]

Probably the most inexcusable play you'll see all season. What a stinger. The epitome of not having chemistry. Harris didn't expect KD to go the other way and KD tried faking his guy.

https://streamable.com/lhuekc

Happy for Wizards fans, who have had a rough season. That must have been about the most exhilirating win you could have.

Imagine being told, 'you will score 146 points in this game, in regulation'. And then you watch and see your team lose. Their defense has to be all-time bad right now.

[bwgood77]

Probably the most inexcusable play you'll see all season. What a stinger. The epitome of not having chemistry. Harris didn't expect KD to go the other way and KD tried faking his guy.

https://streamable.com/lhuekc

Happy for Wizards fans, who have had a rough season. That must have been about the most exhilirating win you could have.

Imagine being told, 'you will score 146 points in this game, in regulation'. And then you watch and see your team lose. Their defense has to be all-time bad right now.

Yeah, they can likely pick up some defensive role players....they can even get guys that can't shoot since they have 3 guys that can create their own shots at will...3 of the best.

Guys like Andre Roberson, Rondae Hollis Jefferson, Zhaire Smith and even a vet Thabo Sefolosha are available. A few bigs too. Might be worth kicking the tires on those guys...most teams can't afford to have defensive guys who can't shoot or do much offensively, but they could.

There could also be some buyouts like George Hill and others.

[King4Day]

Happy for Wizards fans, who have had a rough season. That must have been about the most exhilirating win you could have.

Imagine being told, 'you will score 146 points in this game, in regulation'. And then you watch and see your team lose. Their defense has to be all-time bad right now.

Yeah, they can likely pick up some defensive role players....they can even get guys that can't shoot since they have 3 guys that can create their own shots at will...3 of the best.

Guys like Andre Roberson, Rondae Hollis Jefferson, Zhaire Smith and even a vet Thabo Sefolosha are available. A few bigs too. Might be worth kicking the tires on those guys...most teams can't afford to have defensive guys who can't shoot or do much offensively, but they could.

There could also be some buyouts like George Hill and others.

I think they just got Shumpert. They'll probably wait for the buyout period before adding anyone else.

[lilfishi22]

I always saw Nash as having HC ability with a strong support staff but his first introduction to head coaching is as close to a baptism by fire as there possibly could be. Everything would have to fall into place perfectly for a rookie coach to be successful there. Having two divas (Kyrie/Harden), no defensive players and insanely high expectations puts an unfair amount of pressure on a first time head coach, no matter how respected and how good he might be.

That's one of the easiest rosters to win with, especially when it gets to playoff time where stars make the difference. All situations will have their challenges, but the biggest challenge to winning by far is having enough talent. He ended up with 2 top 5-7 players and another in the top 15 or so along with another sharp shooter.

Harden seems to be completely buying into the team concept..not taking a ton of shots, etc. Kyrie is out there but ultimately he will want to win.

It will always be hard to beat the teams with stars and continuity so it will be tough to beat out the Bucks, Sixers and Celtics, but they should be a 2nd round playoff team.

There is probably a better chance they'd go further with a better coach though.

I'm curious what you saw in Nash that made him a guy with HC ability? I never really saw him teaching people...not in the slightest like Paul does. I do remember people always saying "Nash can mentor this guy" a lot but it never happened. Of course Dragic became good later, but didn't seem to have much to do with Nash, other than playing with him for 5 years or so and picking up things from him by watching and practicing with him.

I think D'Antoni's system is a good one, as is Kerr's, and that's obviously the kind of thing they want to run, and that's successful on it's own, but you do have iso players so they will likely play how they want to an extent anyway. We see it with Paul but with two guys who do their own thing, particularly Harden, he almost doesn't need a coach....but he seems to be buying in anyway. But when you have 3 guys who can take over games by themselves, I don't think having some success should be that difficult.

I was referring specifically to Nash as a "rookie coach" in this instance because he didn't have that strong coaching experience before hand (he had some consulting experience with the Warriors prior) and he never really had the leadership style like a CP3 or a Kobe for example who would command respect almost immediately - he was more of a lead by example, team guy rather than the alpha dog.

I saw Nash as being HC material with a strong staff because he's has a great basketball mind but not necessarily a strong coaches voice. So maybe he's not a strong HC but I think he had enough to be a HC. Now being a HC for the Nets is a different thing with 3 top 15 players, two of them being having strong diva personalities and also the complete lack of defensive players. Having D'Antoni there helps as he has a relationship with Harden but it's always going to be difficult, no matter who in that HC chair, when you have these extremely lofty expectations.

[bwgood77]

I always saw Nash as having HC ability with a strong support staff but his first introduction to head coaching is as close to a baptism by fire as there possibly could be. Everything would have to fall into place perfectly for a rookie coach to be successful there. Having two divas (Kyrie/Harden), no defensive players and insanely high expectations puts an unfair amount of pressure on a first time head coach, no matter how respected and how good he might be.

That's one of the easiest rosters to win with, especially when it gets to playoff time where stars make the difference. All situations will have their challenges, but the biggest challenge to winning by far is having enough talent. He ended up with 2 top 5-7 players and another in the top 15 or so along with another sharp shooter.

Harden seems to be completely buying into the team concept..not taking a ton of shots, etc. Kyrie is out there but ultimately he will want to win.

It will always be hard to beat the teams with stars and continuity so it will be tough to beat out the Bucks, Sixers and Celtics, but they should be a 2nd round playoff team.

There is probably a better chance they'd go further with a better coach though.

I'm curious what you saw in Nash that made him a guy with HC ability? I never really saw him teaching people...not in the slightest like Paul does. I do remember people always saying "Nash can mentor this guy" a lot but it never happened. Of course Dragic became good later, but didn't seem to have much to do with Nash, other than playing with him for 5 years or so and picking up things from him by watching and practicing with him.

I think D'Antoni's system is a good one, as is Kerr's, and that's obviously the kind of thing they want to run, and that's successful on it's own, but you do have iso players so they will likely play how they want to an extent anyway. We see it with Paul but with two guys who do their own thing, particularly Harden, he almost doesn't need a coach....but he seems to be buying in anyway. But when you have 3 guys who can take over games by themselves, I don't think having some success should be that difficult.

I was referring specifically to Nash as a "rookie coach" in this instance because he didn't have that strong coaching experience before hand (he had some consulting experience with the Warriors prior) and he never really had the leadership style like a CP3 or a Kobe for example who would command respect almost immediately - he was more of a lead by example, team guy rather than the alpha dog.

I saw Nash as being HC material with a strong staff because he's has a great basketball mind but not necessarily a strong coaches voice. So maybe he's not a strong HC but I think he had enough to be a HC. Now being a HC for the Nets is a different thing with 3 top 15 players, two of them being having strong diva personalities and also the complete lack of defensive players. Having D'Antoni there helps as he has a relationship with Harden but it's always going to be difficult, no matter who in that HC chair, when you have these extremely lofty expectations.

It will always be difficult for the 3-4 teams who expect a championship and fall short. Lately the Bucks, Clippers and now maybe the Nets.

Just look at all the ridicule the Clips took.

I agree there is a lot of pressure and it will be hard to live up to, but he will likely be thought of as a good coach when you can say "made the playoffs and the 2nd round in his first year" rather than coaching a bad team and slightly exceeding expectations.

That is, unless he coaches well enough to have the best record in the NBA and they don't win the finals. Then he would earn that unfair label "Can't win in the playoffs" or "Can't get his team to the finals" or "Can't win a championship". Like D'Antoni took all the heat for not winning it all after having the best record but not the players.

[Wilber85]

An interesting idea:

Phoenix Suns
The Lonzo-LeBron pairing was brief, but more effective than most remember. They played 821 minutes together and outscored opponents by 57 points in that time, not exactly a championship pace, but more than enough on a lottery team. That stretch was proof of concept. Ball is a point guard in name, but provided there is enough shooting on the floor to support him, functions best alongside another high-usage ball-handler.

Well, Phoenix has two of them in Devin Booker and Chris Paul. Just ask Shai Gilgeous-Alexander what an effective mentor Paul can be. At 36 years old, he isn't going to be around forever, and eventually, Phoenix is going to need someone to replace him as Booker's partner in the backcourt. Ball is a perfect theoretical complement to Booker, a defender that can keep teammates engaged during Booker's scoring binges.

Phoenix had the perfect opportunity to add such a player on draft night when Tyrese Haliburton slipped to their slot at No. 10. They passed him up in favor of Maryland big man Jalen Smith, which inadvertently gave the Suns an easy pathway to this sort of deal. DeAndre Ayton is the center of the future, and Jae Crowder and Cam Johnson are mainstays at power forward. That likely only leaves room for one of Smith or Dario Saric to play major minutes for the long haul, and New Orleans sorely needs a stretch big man to play alongside Williamson. A Saric-Ball swap solves problems for both sides. Phoenix gets its point guard of the future and clears Smith's spot. New Orleans adds a cheap stretch big man to use as an alternative to Steven Adams.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lonzo-ball-trade-rumors-five-best-fits-for-the-former-no-2-overall-pick/

Back-up PG for a couple seasons then under CP3, then becomes our starting PG? Saric will never be our starting C or PF unless someone or sometwo gets injured. Leaves our big men depth a bit thin.

As for Ball; his shooting has improved (But is still kinda low) to a 40% FG and 35% from 3. Still a solid defender, his assists have also taken a MAJOR hit since he now shares ball-duty with Bledsoe. I think we have some of the best 3 point shooters in the league and think we could work with Zo and improve his shooting a bit more. If he could learn from CP3 these next few seasons and pick up on some of those veteran tricks that he uses, he could be an outstanding pick-up.

BUT........... despite what the article says, i think he would cost us a bit more than Dario, and i dont know if i would be willing to pay much more.

Lonzo Ball?? No, thank you.

I see him as a bench player on a winning team. I would not trade Saric for him.

Aren't we a winning team lol . We want him as our QB off the bench. Learning behind CP3. Big Tall, Pass First, and defensive minded PG. That is what we need.

I would trade Saric in a heart beat. We have a good rotation, and SARIC has been MIA this whole year it seems. Also give Jalen more minutes! Let's go!!!! Make it happen