Trade Discussion 22/23

[leolozon]

If Toronto wants Kyrie, then they'll almost certainly want to keep OG and probably GTJ as well. I can see a swap of Kyrie for FVV + draft compensation as a possibility but anything more then that is probably wishful thinking.

Toronto must be smart enough to not want 4-year max Kyrie.

Seriously he killed his last 3 teams. Cant stay healthy for playoffs. His reputation is like top 10 player but he is not.

If this trade happens Toronto would not make top 8 next year. Kyrie cancer does not even worth it these days.

I dont think Kyrie will agree to live north of the border.

It doesn't matter, OG is more valuable than Kyrie + THJ. Teams offered 3 first for him.

[HMFFL]

John Collins is more and more appealing to me depending on the price. My main issue is his contract.

2023-2024: $25,340,000
$26,580,000
$26,580,000 (Player Option)

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John Collins should be on Mavs targets for PF, if they can also get Capella it'll be great.

Between the two they will.make around $42 million combined next season. That's a great deal of money to add. Luka would enjoy having cap inside.

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[Mavrelous]

John Collins is more and more appealing to me depending on the price. My main issue is his contract.

2023-2024: $25,340,000
$26,580,000
$26,580,000 (Player Option)

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John Collins should be on Mavs targets for PF, if they can also get Capella it'll be great.

Between the two they will.make around $42 million combined next season. That's a great deal of money to add. Luka would enjoy having cap inside.

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Mavs need both positions, C and mobile PF, if Hawks are looking to unload money, Mavs should jump on it.

[arkuo]

THJ to Miami for Duncan Robinson and a 1st rounder? Works for me. THJ's not coming back in that locker room after what his dad is saying.

[Archx]

THJ to Miami for Duncan Robinson and a 1st rounder? Works for me. THJ's not coming back in that locker room after what his dad is saying.

Heh yeah. It's ironic though that he didn't start with his son as being one of the problems. THJ is literally one of the bottom guards in the league at finishing around the rim and is severly limited in his role. Mavs couldn't even move his relatively affordable contract at the trade deadline

[arkuo]

THJ to Miami for Duncan Robinson and a 1st rounder? Works for me. THJ's not coming back in that locker room after what his dad is saying.

Heh yeah. It's ironic though that he didn't start with his son as being one of the problems. THJ is literally one of the bottom guards in the league at finishing around the rim and is severly limited in his role. Mavs couldn't even move his relatively affordable contract at the trade deadline

Yeah. Miami has been desperate to move Duncan Robinson for a long time now with no takers. Maybe they take on the contract for a FRP.

[arkuo]

Toronto must be smart enough to not want 4-year max Kyrie.

Seriously he killed his last 3 teams. Cant stay healthy for playoffs. His reputation is like top 10 player but he is not.

If this trade happens Toronto would not make top 8 next year. Kyrie cancer does not even worth it these days.

I dont think Kyrie will agree to live north of the border.

It doesn't matter, OG is more valuable than Kyrie + THJ. Teams offered 3 first for him.

TBH I'd prefer to S&T Kyrie to Portland for Dame. Since Dame will sit down with management and talk about his future anyway.

[Ni Da Ye]

I dont think Kyrie will agree to live north of the border.

It doesn't matter, OG is more valuable than Kyrie + THJ. Teams offered 3 first for him.

TBH I'd prefer to S&T Kyrie to Portland for Dame. Since Dame will sit down with management and talk about his future anyway.

Noooooo, we don't need another undersized guard. LOL

[BliscoSantos]

Time to reset was when Luka was on rookie contract,instead they tried to make a big splash that didn't work...they made a move that later backfired,then they made some more dumb trades/signings/releases and now they are neck deep in the Sand...how do they get out of this mess?..they have some tough choices to make...Dallas is not a big free agent destination, they have no valuable assets and no capspace for next season...they gonna have to try getting some young (raw) Players and maybe take a flyer on some who underperformed...it's gonna be tough and if Kai leaves,next season could be without playoffs again

[Forbes]

I dont think Kyrie will agree to live north of the border.

It doesn't matter, OG is more valuable than Kyrie + THJ. Teams offered 3 first for him.

TBH I'd prefer to S&T Kyrie to Portland for Dame. Since Dame will sit down with management and talk about his future anyway.

I really wish this would happen. The difference between Dame and Kyrie is that Dame is a leader. Luka leads that type of leader, someone who will comfortable bark at him when he’s slow getting back on D while he’s complaining. It’s probably not even possible. But I can dream.

[Maverick41]

Posted this on the T&T board but what do you guys think of the following trade:

DAL Receives: T. Harris
PHI Receives: THJ + Kleber + McGee

DAL gets a big wing who's not known as a defender and is overpaid, but is a consistent 15/7 type guy. Most importantly we gain a massive expiring that we can either use to a) trade with picks for an upgrade later ala Westbrook trade or b) let it expire in 2024 and become legit players to land guys like Jaylen Brown, Claxton, etc. Both guys that are very close to Kyrie.

Philly breaks up a huge contract into smaller contracts and good role players that fit their core. THJ can primarily play off ball with Harden, Embiid and Maxey dominating the basketball. Maxi becomes a good bench big for them that they always seem to lack. McGee is filler.

[JRoy]

It doesn't matter, OG is more valuable than Kyrie + THJ. Teams offered 3 first for him.

TBH I'd prefer to S&T Kyrie to Portland for Dame. Since Dame will sit down with management and talk about his future anyway.

I really wish this would happen. The difference between Dame and Kyrie is that Dame is a leader. Luka leads that type of leader, someone who will comfortable bark at him when he’s slow getting back on D while he’s complaining. It’s probably not even possible. But I can dream.

Zero percent chance of that happening.

[ozwizard8]

If Toronto wants Kyrie, then they'll almost certainly want to keep OG and probably GTJ as well. I can see a swap of Kyrie for FVV + draft compensation as a possibility but anything more then that is probably wishful thinking.

Toronto must be smart enough to not want 4-year max Kyrie.

Seriously he killed his last 3 teams. Cant stay healthy for playoffs. His reputation is like top 10 player but he is not.

If this trade happens Toronto would not make top 8 next year. Kyrie cancer does not even worth it these days.

I dont think Kyrie will agree to live north of the border.

Kyrie is at his all time BEST behavior for a reason. He wants to get that $200m contract. He can ask for trade, dont come to games for mental reasons, or simply make anti-semitic statements to make the team trade him. So he might accept a sign&trade if he requires to do.

[ozwizard8]

Time to reset was when Luka was on rookie contract,instead they tried to make a big splash that didn't work...they made a move that later backfired,then they made some more dumb trades/signings/releases and now they are neck deep in the Sand...how do they get out of this mess?..they have some tough choices to make...Dallas is not a big free agent destination, they have no valuable assets and no capspace for next season...they gonna have to try getting some young (raw) Players and maybe take a flyer on some who underperformed...it's gonna be tough and if Kai leaves,next season could be without playoffs again

Kyrie is a big cancer that made a Luka team to miss playoffs and even play-in's. That is remarkable success. I think its a better one than not succeeding with Harden-Durant core. Kyrie always work hard to kill franchises.

Aside from that it is obvious that it is time to TRADE LUKA.
Literally HIGHEST MARKET for superstars. Teams trade 5 first-round picks and young assets for 30+years old players.
Mavs can get a solid young asset + 7 first round picks for Luka. An excellent way to rebuild very fast.

Look at Jazz for instance. They have a lot of picks, a star in Marknanen (Dirk-lite). They'll have cap space. They can easily get back into playoffs next year with combination of trade, draft, and FA signing. Or tank 1 more year and then splash.

Mavs should rebuild now or Luka will eventually leave for less assets in next two (miserable) years.

[ozwizard8]

Toronto must be smart enough to not want 4-year max Kyrie.

Seriously he killed his last 3 teams. Cant stay healthy for playoffs. His reputation is like top 10 player but he is not.

If this trade happens Toronto would not make top 8 next year. Kyrie cancer does not even worth it these days.

I dont think Kyrie will agree to live north of the border.

It doesn't matter, OG is more valuable than Kyrie + THJ. Teams offered 3 first for him.

People needs to realize that 4-year max Kyrie is almost a neutral asset.
Its hard to say its a positive asset. It sounds too much of age/mental/physical liability. Not counting the defensive defects...

Dont mistake him with plug and play Durant. KD fits every team defensively. KD's offense also fits to any team. His game does not have reason to decline that much.

Undersized guards like Kyrie fades after 31. Kyrie can become the next Kemba Walker very soon.

[41Dirk41]

It's really funny all this Kyrie hate when the other 3 starters are mediocre role players... But i can understand that judge the games it's hard, better and easy to speak in clichés

[Dirk]

Time to reset was when Luka was on rookie contract,instead they tried to make a big splash that didn't work...they made a move that later backfired,then they made some more dumb trades/signings/releases and now they are neck deep in the Sand...how do they get out of this mess?..they have some tough choices to make...Dallas is not a big free agent destination, they have no valuable assets and no capspace for next season...they gonna have to try getting some young (raw) Players and maybe take a flyer on some who underperformed...it's gonna be tough and if Kai leaves,next season could be without playoffs again

Kyrie is a big cancer that made a Luka team to miss playoffs and even play-in's.

Are you just trying to signal that you either don't watch the Mavs or something else...?

Ironically, the Mavs won 3 straight games when Luka was out. Beat the Lakers without Luka when he missed some other games.

No one that watches the games believes that "Kyrie made a Luka team miss the playoffs". It's just a ridiculous statement, usually written by folks who don't actually watch the games and are just writing based on Kyrie's history. Since this is the Mavs board, one would assume people watched the games... but what do I know.

[Bob8]

Time to reset was when Luka was on rookie contract,instead they tried to make a big splash that didn't work...they made a move that later backfired,then they made some more dumb trades/signings/releases and now they are neck deep in the Sand...how do they get out of this mess?..they have some tough choices to make...Dallas is not a big free agent destination, they have no valuable assets and no capspace for next season...they gonna have to try getting some young (raw) Players and maybe take a flyer on some who underperformed...it's gonna be tough and if Kai leaves,next season could be without playoffs again

Kyrie is a big cancer that made a Luka team to miss playoffs and even play-in's.

Are you just trying to signal that you either don't watch the Mavs or something else...?

Ironically, the Mavs won 3 straight games when Luka was out. Beat the Lakers without Luka when he missed some other games.

No one that watches the games believes that "Kyrie made a Luka team miss the playoffs". It's just a ridiculous statement, usually written by folks who don't actually watch the games and are just writing based on Kyrie's history. Since this is the Mavs board, one would assume people watched the games... but what do I know.

I don't know, it looks pretty scary to me to give 2 stars, who don't work well together, 400 mio.

Kyrie is not guilty for Mavs missing playoffs, but trade is.

[arkuo]

The offense is ok with luka and kyrie. Its the defense that is bad. Which means 60% of your startinf lineup is useless.

If I were to point fingers, Bullock and Powell are uselless as hell. THJ ranks on a lower tier. But change Powell and Bullock to middle of the pack two way players (not even superstars), and i think the Mavs lineup should work better. Powell going for zero rebounds and when Bullock's shot is not falling, those are empty possessions. You need to at least have possessions where there is a positive and you get something out of it. When those two are off, they provide nothing.

[41Dirk41]

The offense is ok with luka and kyrie. Its the defense that is bad. Which means 60% of your startinf lineup is useless.

If I were to point fingers, Bullock and Powell are uselless as hell. THJ ranks on a lower tier. But change Powell and Bullock to middle of the pack two way players (not even superstars), and i think the Mavs lineup should work better. Powell going for zero rebounds and when Bullock's shot is not falling, those are empty possessions. You need to at least have possessions where there is a positive and you get something out of it. When those two are off, they provide nothing.

Totally wrong.

It's Kyrie's fault if Powell can't defend or rebound, if Bullock shoots well 1 game every 5 and can't defend, if THJ has 0BBQI of course