Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[J-Roc]

The funny part about this is that the majority of those that want BC fired also think that he has some umbilical cord attached to Bargnani. BC could easily quell this resistance just by trading him.

No, the funny part. Like seriously comical. Is people like you continuing to fight the resistance.

[Guy Smiley]

I wonder why fans get the crazy idea BC is overly attached to IL MAGO..

He only drafted him number 1 overall. Chastised his first NBA coach for holding him accountable. Forcing Sam to increase his playing time and role. Brought in his former GM into the organization as well as former teammates. Made moves to accommodate his weaknesses. Either traded or let every single player go except for IL MAGO during Hus time here... save José literally and figuratively. Anointed him the next one after Bosh.

Makes you wonder why Jay Triano let IL MAGO play through so many errors and stretches if poor effort.

Keep in mind according to Bryan there is a lot of interest from around the league for a talent like Bargnani.

It wouldn't surprise me that even Warren Buffet has told Bryan it is time to sell IL MAGO stock.

[Kabookalu]

The funny part about this is that the majority of those that want BC fired also think that he has some umbilical cord attached to Bargnani. BC could easily quell this resistance just by trading him.

No, the funny part. Like seriously comical. Is people like you continuing to fight the resistance.

The funny part is how you can only post one liners solely generalizing people by which side of the fence they're standing on and more often than not look so offbase doing it. I could care less if he gets fired or not at this point, the strengths that's pushed him forward on this team since he has gotten here have been waning terribly. On the other hand if he isn't fired I'm fine with that too; the current ownership doesn't leave much flexibility for the GM to operate anyways, so I doubt another GM does any better. Though if he does get fired he's left his successor with some great pieces to work with. The problem would be moving the clutter on the other hand, like Fields, Kleiza, and Bargnani, which funny enough is one of BC's strengths as a GM.

[VinceCarter4Eva]

BC is my boy, fire Burke. BC just sucks at signing Small Forwards, its not his fault people don't wanna come here. Fields just came here for the money, and I can almost guarantee he's not gonna re-sign. Plus, I wanna get to know BC so I can burrow one his Armani suits for my job interview.

[Kabookalu]

I wonder why fans get the crazy idea BC is overly attached to IL MAGO..

He only drafted him number 1 overall. Chastised his first NBA coach for holding him accountable. Forcing Sam to increase his playing time and role. Brought in his former GM into the organization as well as former teammates. Made moves to accommodate his weaknesses. Either traded or let every single player go except for IL MAGO during Hus time here... save José literally and figuratively. Anointed him the next one after Bosh.

Makes you wonder why Jay Triano let IL MAGO play through so many errors and stretches if poor effort.

Keep in mind according to Bryan there is a lot of interest from around the league for a talent like Bargnani.

It wouldn't surprise me that even Warren Buffet has told Bryan it is time to sell IL MAGO stock.

Sam Mitchell got called out for refusing to play his number one overall pick just as much as Rudy Tomjanovich refused to play Yao Ming in his rookie year at the beginning. Good one there chap.

[J-Roc]

The funny part about this is that the majority of those that want BC fired also think that he has some umbilical cord attached to Bargnani. BC could easily quell this resistance just by trading him.

No, the funny part. Like seriously comical. Is people like you continuing to fight the resistance.

The funny part is how you can only post one liners solely generalizing people by which side of the fence they're standing on and more often than not look so offbase doing it. I could care less if he gets fired or not at this point, the strengths that's pushed him forward on this team since he has gotten here have been waning terribly. On the other hand if he isn't fired I'm fine with that too; the current ownership doesn't leave much flexibility for the GM to operate anyways, so I doubt another GM does any better. Though if he does get fired he's left his successor with some great pieces to work with. The problem would be moving the clutter on the other hand, like Fields, Kleiza, and Bargnani, which funny enough is one of BC's strengths as a GM.

Yeah I think by the end of your rant there you realized you had no point and just hit Submit.

[Kabookalu]

Yeah I think by the end of your rant there you realized you had no point and just hit Submit.

Another way of tucking your tail in between your legs because you're wrong?

[JoeMoma]

Keep in mind according to Bryan there is a lot of interest from around the league for a talent like Bargnani.

Wouldn't it be better to wait till he makes the allstar team? Like TJ Ford and Jose, before we trade him?

[Guy Smiley]

Drunken master is still completely lost.

[Kabookalu]

Drunken master is still completely lost.

That was easier than I thought.

[Guy Smiley]

Do you even read what you write?

[Kabookalu]

Do you even read what you write?

[livnthedream416]

Plus, I wanna get to know BC so I can burrow one his Armani suits for my job interview.

[Waylon Mercy]

This game felt like a loss...Just the sight of Bargnani makes my blood boil and how I despise
Colangelo for refusing to trade him.

[hillbilly hare]

Accept you're wrong on all accounts. Maybe you should try to understand what I'm saying first.

- Yes, BC does have an affinity towards Bargnani. Just because fans exaggerate something doesn't mean there isn't a truth behind it. We're talking about Bargnani's entire career. BC clearly favoured Bargs by drafting him. He couldn't see that Bargs was a misfit from the start and believed in the "new era" of big men. That's irrational. It was logical to trade him at almost all points in his career, yet it's not done yet. It doesn't take 7 years to trade one player. That's dense.

- and I said the hate wouldn't be quelled. It's about winning and losing, end of story. If Bargnani is traded and we still lose for the next couple of years, the hate would still be there. If Bargnani was traded 3 years ago and we still lose, the hate would still be the same. If Bargnani was not traded and we were winning, THEN the hate would be quelled. It's foolish of you to think otherwise.

I'm wrong on all accounts.

There was no consensus first overall pick in that draft at all. How many times does the dead horse need to be beaten before that gets through people's heads? Selecting a player that turned out to be one of the better players in the lottery is not favoring him anymore than it is picking a good pick. You can criticize him for his revolutionary of the game plan, which failed miserably, but how does that show he shows some irrational love for Bargnani?

That's a given. What you're failing to see that at this very moment the BC hate is at an all time high. Not many people are seeing this all with a clear head and their emotions are being driven by everything but logic. Not having to see Bargnani every night would make the team more bearable to watch, and it's unreasonable to think the hate would still be consistent without Bargnani. He would still get bagged on for losing, sure, but by trading him away he would quell the hate. He would need to do more than that to clear his name, obviously.

Yeah, unless someone has some fairly good info on what if any trades were out there over the years for Bargnani I think we should just drop it re. Colangelo's love affair with Andrea. I don't think Andrea has ever had a lot of attraction with GMs around the league, though after the 2010-11 season was probably his high point re. trade value. With his contract and lack of boarding, and now his drop in scoring, I don't see a lot of interest until his contract is expiring.

As to the pick, Rudy Gay was the top rated prospect for a long time leading up to the draft, probably at least a year. Bargnani's came out of nowhere to the rest of the league. We can only assume Colangelo and Gherardini scouted him thoroughly and knew what they were getting. IIRC Colangelo was effusing praise for Andrea's wonderlic scores or whatever the heck they're called. If that's to measure a guy's b-ball acumen and character and dedication, I think the test might need some revising.

I willl premise my comments with the fact that I am one of Colangelo's harshest critics, that I opened a thread several months ago titled "Who should our next GM be?" (for which I was roundly dumped on and told to shut up and get off the board), that I don't think the Bargnani pick was a bad one, but I think it's safe to say that Gay was the best prospect at that time and also would have been a pick based on need.

As Colangelo supporters up till a couple weeks ago have said in defending him, he has always drafted well. I question the "well", as I'd rather say "solidly", in that he's always gone Best Prospect (Demar, Ed, Jonas) except with Andrea (Gay) and Ross (Drummond).

Colangelo has been supported despite making some of the worst, Babcock-level moves in team history: the 3 worst, in order of blunderness, being the Jermaine trade, the Bosh non-trade and the Hedo signing. He has basically gutted the team and truly under-performed in his 7 (seven!) off-seaons here. Babcock was given less than 2 seasons before getting fired because he didn't improve the team and made some terrible moves. How has Colangelo stuck around for 7?!?!

This last off-season is the last straw. He even blew the draft, which used to be his strong point. Ross over Drummond was brutal and he basically wasted an early 2nd round pick. Pursuing Nash, without having any solid intel on Nash's desire to be part of the organization (including future management), was both foolish and crushing in terms of improving the roster. The Fields signing was pathetic. Not going after anyone else was dumbfounding: Scola or even Haywood via the amnesty, cheap veteran big men to take some pressure off Jonas. A much better option would've been Ilyasova, who though not being a true SF would still be a lot better than Fields. He would also give us the luxury of exploring Bargnani trades because we could move Ilyasova to PF. Trading for Lowry was a very good trade, though as many of us have said, in the "choice" between Lowry and Dragic (if Dragic was a possibility), the difference was that Lowry cost us assets. Extending Demar right now was a mistake in my opinion, as waiting till the end of the season wouldn't have really cost anything apart from maybe 2M more per season, in case Demar turned into a borderline star.

Colangelo gets "locked in" to a mindset and this is extremely limiting. In the past it was a big man at all costs, which unfortunately turned into Jermaine O'Neal at 30 years of age and after more than 10 seasons, with half a knee left. Then it was power forwards with Amir and Ed, with the Davis pick showing that Colangelo would draft the BPA regardless of need. Now it's wings, with Fields and Ross, and extending Demar. I think the Ross pick was a "need" and "NBA-ready" pick rather than the BPA pick, which was Drummond.

Sorry for the long post, as these are all things that we've talked about ad nauseum. But the fact is that some form of "fire or replace Colangelo" thread has been around for a long time. For me the key was how this off-season went, and I think he truly blew it. He should be fired tomorrow.

[Guy Smiley]

Keep in mind according to Bryan there is a lot of interest from around the league for a talent like Bargnani.

Wouldn't it be better to wait till he makes the allstar team? Like TJ Ford and Jose, before we trade him?

There never seems to be the right time to trade Bargs.

I just wonder why a guy like JV who seemingly puts out the effort and results to justify a little more leeway gets stapled to the bench while IL MAGO continues to be given enough leash to hang himself 10 times over. We have been sold the lunchbucket team for years and yet the one guy that barely ever brings his continues to feast on the lion's share of minutes and the generosity of each coaches' patience since he has been here.

It really puzzles me that a guy who seemingly switches visions on a case by case basis like Bryan doesn't turn the page on Bargnani. The contract isn't crippling and yet there never seems to be a deal suitable to pull the trigger.

DD has stepped up and does his best to justify his new contract which is something I have never seen from Andrea. At least Leo is beginning to rip on IL MAGo's shot selection (justifiably so) which means there is hope that management is finally considering offers for that pansy. At least that is my hope because this franchise deserves better.

I'm not a big Casey fan, I could go either way with him, but I don't want to see another coach get tossed aside while trying to make it "work" with Bargs. I can't imagine what it must be like to see the concessions made for the guy year in and year out. As a fan it is frustrating but as a teammate it must be more than a little confusing.

[asaprocky]

Fire him right now. He drafted Ross and signed Fields all to get Nash and look how it turned out. We should have drafted AD and traded him for Harden.

That would have never happened, because if it would have worked, Detroit could have done it.

We could have traded Val for Harden & still would have had a prospect like Drummond.

You dont know that we could have...Detroit might have not wanted Harden because they have too many wings...OKC needs a big and you could get SG in FA easily. You dont know ****.

[asaprocky]

Fire him right now. He drafted Ross and signed Fields all to get Nash and look how it turned out. We should have drafted AD and traded him for Harden.

WE WERE NEVER CLOSE TO GETTING HARDEN FFS

The deal they had with houston out matches anything we could have put together even with Drummond jeeze....

You can get players like Lamb and Martin in FA they need a scoring big badly. Drummound is top 3 talent I'm sure we could have worked something out.

[Natural11]

This team desperately needs a shake-up. In a results oriented league, I'm not sure why BC has gotten a free pass for so long. If you bring a great coach in and he tanks a couple of seasons, chances are he'll get shuffled out the door regardless of his history.

BC came in with some hype and it's been a steady downward spiral ever since. Bargnani is the curse of this franchise and as sad as it sounds, I wish he'd been as immediate a let-down as Araujo. At least with an outright bust you take your 2-3 years, have your facepalm moment and move on. With Bargnani he showed just barely enough that you keep expecting something to happen, and all we really got out of it was a guaranteed 5-6 years of mediocrity as we wasted a significant contract on a player who kills us financially, kills us on the floor and kills the perception of the Raptors in general.

We're not even a lovable loser team of scrappy young players. I can't watch this guy roam around, taking terrible shots and play no defense for 35 mins every game. It's actually painful to watch, to the point where I don't even watch the Raps play anymore. I watch other teams, who I don't really have any attachment to, just because I like watching good basketball.

I remember getting so excited when our terrible expansion team rose up to beat Jordan's Bulls one night. I think I watched every game that season and even though the basketball was pretty bad, it was exciting because I felt positive about the future of the team. Nothing short of a pair of superstar players could get me excited to watch the Raps again as long as Bargnani is around. I can't even really blame the guy anymore. It's all on BC at this point.

[J-Roc]

Leafs are always tops.
Jays made their big splash.
Argos are even in the playoffs and hosting the Grey Cup.

Raps are a non-factor in Toronto these days. BC should be fired.