2018 Brewers Discussion - Yelich Signing on Page 45

[Kerb Hohl]

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I don't know who Mish is or why he'd have a source and other national guys don't. Just passing it along.

Looks like he's a Miami native/resident that has a fantasy podcast.

I am not necessarily a fan of a Yelich trade, but I'll wait to see what it really is (if it truly happened).

[wichmae]

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I don't know who Mish is or why he'd have a source and other national guys don't. Just passing it along.

Looks like he's a Miami native/resident that has a fantasy podcast.

I am not necessarily a fan of a Yelich trade, but I'll wait to see what it really is (if it truly happened).

Since they asked for Acuna Im going to guess ATL laughed and hung up. My shot at the trade is Santana, Ortiz, Isan, and Diplan. Then again we are talking about Jeter here so it may just end up being Kyle Wren.

[Kerb Hohl]

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I don't know who Mish is or why he'd have a source and other national guys don't. Just passing it along.

Looks like he's a Miami native/resident that has a fantasy podcast.

I am not necessarily a fan of a Yelich trade, but I'll wait to see what it really is (if it truly happened).

Since they asked for Acuna Im going to guess ATL laughed and hung up. My shot at the trade is Santana, Ortiz, Isan, and Diplan. Then again we are talking about Jeter here so it may just end up being Kyle Wren.

We'll agree to disagree there. Jeter made a terrible PR move, but other than maybe going a bit more on the magic bean route on the trade for Ozuna, nothing he's done is "stupid" as the Joe Public national pundits think. Shaving off $300 million dollars total should require basically no prospects in return. The Stanton trade was expected value. Maybe he took a bit less on Ozuna or Gordon, but they're basically in the same shape that they would've been waiting out a slightly better return. Now they truly can tank.

The fact that he owns the team could be questioned given budget issues, but they're back in better shape given that they were not a playoff team, anyways.

[dbrodz7]

Rotoworld is reporting Mish's story, so they must thing he's reputable to a certain extent.

[wichmae]

Looks like he's a Miami native/resident that has a fantasy podcast.

I am not necessarily a fan of a Yelich trade, but I'll wait to see what it really is (if it truly happened).

Since they asked for Acuna Im going to guess ATL laughed and hung up. My shot at the trade is Santana, Ortiz, Isan, and Diplan. Then again we are talking about Jeter here so it may just end up being Kyle Wren.

We'll agree to disagree there. Jeter made a terrible PR move, but other than maybe going a bit more on the magic bean route on the trade for Ozuna, nothing he's done is "stupid" as the Joe Public national pundits think. Shaving off $250 million dollars should require basically no prospects in return.

Ozuna trade was awful and so was the Dee Gordon trade. He hasnt really made a quality move yet so idk. Quite literally none of the prospects he's gotten in any of his trades are upper tier. Just screams desperate. He also set his bargaining market low with the quality of return he's gotten so far in his transaction history.

[Kerb Hohl]

Since they asked for Acuna Im going to guess ATL laughed and hung up. My shot at the trade is Santana, Ortiz, Isan, and Diplan. Then again we are talking about Jeter here so it may just end up being Kyle Wren.

We'll agree to disagree there. Jeter made a terrible PR move, but other than maybe going a bit more on the magic bean route on the trade for Ozuna, nothing he's done is "stupid" as the Joe Public national pundits think. Shaving off $250 million dollars should require basically no prospects in return.

Ozuna trade was awful and so was the Dee Gordon trade. He hasnt really made a quality move yet so idk. Quite literally none of the prospect he's gotten in any of his trades are upper tier.

Alcantara is. Gallen reached AAA at age 21. Castano may have potential.

Stanton trade was good.

The prospects are all raw but have good potential in the Gordon trade.

Basically, they have about 6 pitching prospects that should arrive around 2020/2021. If you told me that I'd get 1 higher-end pitcher and 3 MLB pitchers plus a depth guy out of Ozuna/Gordon, that's not a bad deal.

It's a risk by the Marlins because maybe they could've held out longer with those guys, but both of them could've helped win games for the Marlins (hurt draft pick) and/or had depreciating value. Also risk on the age of the prospects.

The trades would probably seem better on the surface if Ozuna/Gordon netted more "known" AA/AAA guys, but they're looking 2-3 years out on this build and they're going to probably tank in the process.

[DingleJerry]

I really didn't think their team was so bad that it required a teardown. Really if the star pitcher didn't pass, they'd be playoff hopefuls. Add in a quality pitcher and they could be competing for the playoffs. Offense had some really good pieces and all controlled and not on bad contract besides Stanton, and if I remember correctly that contract was backloaded.

[Kerb Hohl]

I really didn't think their team was so bad that it required a teardown. Really if the star pitcher didn't pass, they'd be playoff hopefuls. Add in a quality pitcher and they could be competing for the playoffs. Offense had some really good pieces and all controlled and not on bad contract besides Stanton, and if I remember correctly that contract was backloaded.

Well, yeah, your MVP dying can be a problem. I said earlier that that was a huge butterfly effect. I honestly wonder if the owner would've sold the team if Fernandez was alive.

Wei-Yin Chen is sitting on $50 million over 3 years + a vesting option still on their roster.
Martin Prado, 2 years, $30 million
Tazawa/Zeigler combine to make $15 million this year.

They were basically sitting at $130 million with an 80 win team before the trades. If those bats really took off and they caught some luck on the pitching end, maybe they'd be in Wild Card contention with a $150 million payroll and Ozuna/Gordon nearing the end of their contracts, Stanton getting older, and not a great farm system.

Imagine going into 2020 after Ozuna has walked, Gordon is on his last year at age 32, Realmuto is in his last year, Stanton is turning 31, Strailey is in his last year, Bour in his last year...and you've probably won nothing in 2018 or 2019 and you didn't make a trade. If you waited a year on Ozuna or until the deadline, I'm not even sure you could do better.

[wichmae]

We'll agree to disagree there. Jeter made a terrible PR move, but other than maybe going a bit more on the magic bean route on the trade for Ozuna, nothing he's done is "stupid" as the Joe Public national pundits think. Shaving off $250 million dollars should require basically no prospects in return.

Ozuna trade was awful and so was the Dee Gordon trade. He hasnt really made a quality move yet so idk. Quite literally none of the prospect he's gotten in any of his trades are upper tier.

Alcantara is. Gallen reached AAA at age 21. Castano may have potential.

Stanton trade was good.

The prospects are all raw but have good potential in the Gordon trade.

Basically, they have about 6 pitching prospects that should arrive around 2020/2021. If you told me that I'd get 1 higher-end pitcher and 3 MLB pitchers plus a depth guy out of Ozuna/Gordon, that's not a bad deal.

It's a risk by the Marlins because maybe they could've held out longer with those guys, but both of them could've helped win games for the Marlins (hurt draft pick) and/or had depreciating value. Also risk on the age of the prospects.

I just dont know that any of the guys you mentioned are MLB level guys. The pitchers throw hard (Alcantara Gallen and Guzman) but have zero control and are mostly one pitch guys. Sure they have a chance to stick in the pen but theyre already mostly 3+ into development and still havent been able to locate. Its possible he can be a late inning reliever but its also possible he may never throw enough strikes to be trusted to close. He's a shinier harder throwing version of Jacob Barnes. The one prospect they got with a real shot is probably Torres. I just dont see any high level impact players coming back for 3 of your top guys going out in trade. Going to have to make up for that eventually but truth be told I just dont think those guys are high level prospects.

[DingleJerry]

I really didn't think their team was so bad that it required a teardown. Really if the star pitcher didn't pass, they'd be playoff hopefuls. Add in a quality pitcher and they could be competing for the playoffs. Offense had some really good pieces and all controlled and not on bad contract besides Stanton, and if I remember correctly that contract was backloaded.

Well, yeah, your MVP dying can be a problem. I said earlier that that was a huge butterfly effect. I honestly wonder if the owner would've sold the team if Fernandez was alive.

Wei-Yin Chen is sitting on $50 million over 3 years + a vesting option still on their roster.
Martin Prado, 2 years, $30 million
Tazawa/Zeigler combine to make $15 million this year.

They were basically sitting at $130 million with an 80 win team before the trades. If those bats really took off and they caught some luck on the pitching end, maybe they'd be in Wild Card contention with a $150 million payroll and Ozuna/Gordon nearing the end of their contracts, Stanton getting older, and not a great farm system.

Ugh, those contracts are news to me so changes things a bit. Chen is brutal contract. I was looking at the Ozuna, Gordon, Yelich, JP contracts as all good players on good deals. Essentially your offense is set and controlled with those guys on good deals, plus Stanton. As we know too well as Brewers fans though is adding in the needed pitching isn't so easy and the money being wasted on Chen/Prado is the money that could have fixed that problem. So i see how they weren't sure there was a route to doing it. Could have taken some flies on the second tier Chacin type pitchers and hoped to get lucky. But Stanton after a monster year where he actually stayed healthy was the best time to trade him so that starts the process.

[Kerb Hohl]

Ozuna trade was awful and so was the Dee Gordon trade. He hasnt really made a quality move yet so idk. Quite literally none of the prospect he's gotten in any of his trades are upper tier.

Alcantara is. Gallen reached AAA at age 21. Castano may have potential.

Stanton trade was good.

The prospects are all raw but have good potential in the Gordon trade.

Basically, they have about 6 pitching prospects that should arrive around 2020/2021. If you told me that I'd get 1 higher-end pitcher and 3 MLB pitchers plus a depth guy out of Ozuna/Gordon, that's not a bad deal.

It's a risk by the Marlins because maybe they could've held out longer with those guys, but both of them could've helped win games for the Marlins (hurt draft pick) and/or had depreciating value. Also risk on the age of the prospects.

I just dont know that any of the guys you mentioned are MLB level guys. The pitchers throw hard (Alcantara Gallen and Guzman) but have zero control and are mostly one pitch guys. Sure they have a chance to stick in the pen but theyre already mostly 3+ into development and still havent been able to locate. Its possible he can be a late inning reliever but its also possible he may never throw enough strikes to be trusted to close. He's a shinier harder throwing version of Jacob Barnes. The one prospect they got with a real shot is probably Torres. I just dont see any high level impact players coming back for 3 of your top guys going out in trade. Going to have to make up for that eventually but truth be told I just dont think those guys are high level prospects.

And that could all be true...but the key here is that they kicked off their rebuild. I think the pitchers all have a higher ceiling than you're giving them, but even if only 1 guy panned out, they'll have some top 5 picks and new money to spend in 3 years.

As good of a year as Ozuna had and even with 2 years of control, he's not going to be netting a top 10 prospect.

Gordon is alright, on a fair contract, a bit on the older side - I'm not sure he's netting you a ton either.

To me, this is like the Bucks in the 2008 era having offers for people to take Redd and Jefferson off their hands for expiring contracts but being really mad that the Bucks couldn't pick up a 2nd round pick and Jarrett Jack in the process.

Could they have held out and gotten someone of the caliber of Lewis Brinson for Ozuna? Potentially. But in in that case, Brinson is of course going to be 3 years into his career by the time their rebuild is over...also, it's possible that waiting for a better offer on Ozuna blows up in their face.

[Kerb Hohl]

I really didn't think their team was so bad that it required a teardown. Really if the star pitcher didn't pass, they'd be playoff hopefuls. Add in a quality pitcher and they could be competing for the playoffs. Offense had some really good pieces and all controlled and not on bad contract besides Stanton, and if I remember correctly that contract was backloaded.

Well, yeah, your MVP dying can be a problem. I said earlier that that was a huge butterfly effect. I honestly wonder if the owner would've sold the team if Fernandez was alive.

Wei-Yin Chen is sitting on $50 million over 3 years + a vesting option still on their roster.
Martin Prado, 2 years, $30 million
Tazawa/Zeigler combine to make $15 million this year.

They were basically sitting at $130 million with an 80 win team before the trades. If those bats really took off and they caught some luck on the pitching end, maybe they'd be in Wild Card contention with a $150 million payroll and Ozuna/Gordon nearing the end of their contracts, Stanton getting older, and not a great farm system.

Ugh, those contracts are news to me so changes things a bit. Chen is brutal contract. I was looking at the Ozuna, Gordon, Yelich, JP contracts as all good players on good deals. Essentially your offense is set and controlled with those guys on good deals, plus Stanton. As we know too well as Brewers fans though is adding in the needed pitching isn't so easy and the money being wasted on Chen/Prado is the money that could have fixed that problem. So i see how they weren't sure there was a route to doing it. Could have taken some flies on the second tier Chacin type pitchers and hoped to get lucky. But Stanton after a monster year where he actually stayed healthy was the best time to trade him so that starts the process.

Yeah, people can complain about Jeter being allowed to buy the team (his group, that is) and having not nearly enough money, but they had a 2-3 year window with half of these guys and nothing to spend with no pitching now or probably in the near future coming up.

[Gianstoppable]

Yelich would be a monster at Miller Park and in this division. Could easily be a 5+ WAR guy on a great contract. Is going to cost a lot though

[wichmae]

Brinson and Santana. Call it a day....

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[ReasonablySober]

Brinson and Santana. Call it a day....

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If push came to shove I'd probably do a version of that, but I'd start with one or the other and see what secondary pieces we could offer along with them.

[Thunder Muscle]

Did a credible poster on BrewerFan forum say Darvish to Cubs?

[Turk Nowitzki]

Brinson and Santana. Call it a day....

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If push came to shove I'd probably do a version of that, but I'd start with one or the other and see what secondary pieces we could offer along with them.

I don't really know why the Marlins would want Santana. I'd think they would be looking for a couple other of our prospects to kick off their rebuild.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Did a credible poster on BrewerFan forum say Darvish to Cubs?

Yep, same guy who's been claiming some inside info the last couple days although it doesn't prove much as it's not like it's a huge surprise, everyone is kind of expecting it at this point.

[Kerb Hohl]

I would not do Brinson AND Santana. I hate to be curling up and not competing, but if the Cubs really have Darvish, Yelich is not putting us over the top near-term.

Also agree that I’m not sure how much Miami would want Santana.

[Thunder Muscle]

Did a credible poster on BrewerFan forum say Darvish to Cubs?

Yep, same guy who's been claiming some inside info the last couple days although it doesn't prove much as it's not like it's a huge surprise, everyone is kind of expecting it at this point.

Agreed. Seemed destined to Cubs.