Alperen Şengün

tiderulz · Post #761 » by **tiderulz** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 4:17 pm

Clawed wrote:The chart on this oldish article by espn https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/30503246/nba-draft-stock-watch-scouting-international-stars-no-1-pick-contender compares Alperens stats to Jokic, Saric, Marc Gasol, Porzingis, Nurkic etc really shows how productive Sengun is. Since that chart was made, Alperen actually increased his steals, blocks, and assists per game so he would fair even better. That chart implies that Saric was also a passer and actually had even more assists per game than Jokic at the same age but that is few game sample size and per 40 stats.

If you are using that article, it also calls him out for being 6'9 with average length. That wont cut it as a center in the NBA most nights.

I liked Vucevic when he was in Orlando. But i hope Orlando does not consider Alperen at all because we saw for years what a team looks like running the offense thru and relying on a defensive deficient center.

Clawed · Post #762 » by **Clawed** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 9:42 pm

"6'9 with average length"

Sounds like Alvan Adams measurements right there. Or a bigger, longer Kevin Love. Not bad.

Post #763 » by **Nuntius** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 10:38 pm

Onus wrote:
Yallbecrazy wrote:Euroleague, Eurocup and Champions League are often not being counted as the contestants aren't always the same. The turkish league is probably the second best domestic league in Europe

These are probably seen as tournaments and not actual leagues.

Yep. And that's exactly because they are tournaments. VTB and ABA are two examples of actual leagues that are international in nature and not purely domestic like the ACB is. That said, the VTB does act as the highest tier of Russian basketball even if it's not a purely domestic league so things do generally get a bit funky.

In any case, the Turkish league is damn good. No, it's not up to the ACB's level but it's right below it. Winning the MVP of that league at 18 is extremely impressive and that's what matters here.

Post #764 » by **Nuntius** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 10:47 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:EuroLeague is a league, not a tournament. So if they don't count it because of that, they are factually wrong and are being amateurish in their "analysis". And not counting any of those competitions when making rankings across competitions for the purposes of evaluating draft prospects is just downright stupid and even at the level of being clownish.

You don't discount entire better competition levels, when you are trying to evaluate and judge the level of a draft prospect. So whether they discount those better levels because they simply don't know they exist (ignorance), or because they don't believe they are actually competitions that count (absurd), or because they actually think the Turkish BSL is better than them (ridiculous), the conclusion is the same. Regardless of whatever flawed reasoning or evaluation that they do, they are just flat out wrong and they come across as total amateurs, yet they always seem to have such an authoritative tone about these prospects and the leagues they play in, and what that means, etc.

The whole point is that the EuroLeague is not a domestic league. It's an international competition. You can call it an international league if you want and I'd have no issue with that but it definitely isn't domestic. People aren't ignoring the EuroLeague when they say that the Turkish league is one of the best domestic leagues in European club basketball. They're not discounting it either. They are simply talking about domestic leagues and not international ones. It's similar to how we can talk about the Serie A and Ligue 1 in football without having to always mention the Champions League. One is a domestic competition, the other one isn't.

kobyz · Post #765 » by **kobyz** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 11:16 pm

my final comparison for him is Shareef Abdur-Rahim

SNPA · Post #766 » by **SNPA** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 12:41 am

kobyz wrote:my final comparison for him is Shareef Abdur-Rahim

This is a good one. A slightly bigger SAR.

EvanZ · Post #767 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 6:43 pm

If Kevin Love is his ceiling, David Lee might be his median outcome.

Big J · Post #768 » by **Big J** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 7:38 pm

kobyz wrote:my final comparison for him is Shareef Abdur-Rahim

No way in hell. Shareef was low key a monster.

Charm · Post #769 » by **Charm** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 8:54 pm

Nothing interesting here. Just an old fashioned slow footed low-post specialist. Low ceiling kinda pick. Not a great fit in the modern NBA.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #770 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 11:45 pm

Reminds me somewhat of a less athletic, weaker version of Tyler Hansbrough.

Just don't see that working in today's NBA.

Clawed · Post #771 » by **Clawed** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:04 am

For those of you who may have forgotten. 19.2 points, 9.4 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 1.3 steals, 1.7 blocks and 65.6% efg at 28.3 minutes per game. People are arguing too much if it is the 2nd or 7th best league in Europe and are losing sight of that fact that even critics of Turkish Super Lig will admit it is much harder than NCAA and Alperen DOMINATED it. He didn't just amass scoring and rebounds like Bagley and Tyler Hansbrough or w/e. He did it all with steals, blocks, and assists as well. Who cares if he is a 4 or a 5. Draft him as a PG if you need to (only half joking). His ceiling isn't Kevin Love. We don't know what his ceiling is as he has put a level of production that few have ever produced in the way that he did.

Charm · Post #772 » by **Charm** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:29 am

Yup...pretty weak and unathletic. Probably a bust.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #773 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:33 am

Charm wrote:Yup...pretty weak and unathletic. Probably a bust.

True.

Probably 1 of 5 6'9 people on the planet who are capable of dunking.

Charm · Post #774 » by **Charm** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:40 am

xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:
Charm wrote:Yup...pretty weak and unathletic. Probably a bust.

True.

Probably 1 of 5 6'9 people on the planet who is capable of dunking.

Yeah, and it was probably a 1-off thing. He probably didn't viciously posterize every defender in his path.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #775 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:47 am

Charm wrote:
xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:
Charm wrote:Yup...pretty weak and unathletic. Probably a bust.

True.

Probably 1 of 5 6'9 people on the planet who is capable of dunking.

Yeah, and it was probably a 1-off thing. He probably didn't viciously posterize every defender in his path.

Yea, again, not many 6'9 guys are capable of dunking. So you right.

Charm · Post #776 » by **Charm** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:51 am

xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:
Charm wrote:
xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:True.

Probably 1 of 5 6'9 people on the planet who is capable of dunking.

Yeah, and it was probably a 1-off thing. He probably didn't viciously posterize every defender in his path.

Yea, again, not many 6'9 guys are capable of dunking. So you right.

Yes, just a very normal 18-year-old center, doing normal 18-year-old center things like winning league MVP. Absolutely ordinary in every way. A homeless man's Tyler Hansbrough.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #777 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:53 am

Charm wrote:
xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:
Charm wrote:
Yeah, and it was probably a 1-off thing. He probably didn't viciously posterize every defender in his path.

Yea, again, not many 6'9 guys are capable of dunking. So you right.

Yes, just a very normal 18-year-old center, doing normal 18-year-old center things like winning league MVP. Absolutely ordinary in every way. A homeless man's Tyler Hansbrough.

Yea, I really couldn't care less what he does in another league...all about how his skills translate to the NBA.

BostonCouchGM · Post #778 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 2:23 am

Charm wrote:Nothing interesting here. Just an old fashioned slow footed low-post specialist. Low ceiling kinda pick. Not a great fit in the modern NBA.

one guy completely abandons the lane to give him a free pass to the hoop and his competition looks like they play off the bench at St. Johns. c'mon man, this shows nothing. Certainly nothing to be all smarmy about like he's done something noteworthy.

fteru6uhre54ew · Post #779 » by **fteru6uhre54ew** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 2:43 am

Well that's Nick Calathes lol and he has good hands the other I don't know. The people go to high or to low for him even hate him or being the best young European ever. It's not one of those. Don't hype him with the Mvp of the Turkish League because the Mvp of the Acb a lot of times wasn't the best of the best too and is a much better league to put in a context don't count to much that I watch European basketball and I didn't hear of this kid he didn't savored the toughness of the biggest level basketball in Europe and probably could make him a better player but looked much worst than he look now with all the stats and hype. And on the others making him look like crap lol at that Tyler Hansbrough comp. He has his body limitations and defensive limitations but like a lot of Europeans, he has some legit ways to play and a solid offensive game for a 18-19 years old kid to work with.

David Lee is a good comparison with him btw

Charm · Post #780 » by **Charm** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 2:59 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:
Charm wrote:Nothing interesting here. Just an old fashioned slow footed low-post specialist. Low ceiling kinda pick. Not a great fit in the modern NBA.

one guy completely abandons the lane to give him a free pass to the hoop and his competition looks like they play off the bench at St. Johns. c'mon man, this shows nothing. Certainly nothing to be all smarmy about like he's done something noteworthy.

It's not bad defense; Calathes has to try to anticipate whether Sengun will keep it or pass it, and he anticipates incorrectly.

Also, that team could roll out of bed and beat any NCAA team by 20 points.