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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#761 » by Nvnervous45 » Thu Dec 7, 2023 4:59 am

I've lost hope in klay. He's hot garbage right now.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#762 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Dec 7, 2023 5:43 am

He's basically poole, harden tier right now on defense.

I'd much rather have Duncan Robinson.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#763 » by GQ Hot Dog » Thu Dec 7, 2023 5:47 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:He's basically poole, harden tier right now on defense.

I'd much rather have Duncan Robinson.

If Dunleavy re-signs Klay to Duncan Robinson money would you think that was too much?
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#764 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Dec 7, 2023 5:51 am

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:He's basically poole, harden tier right now on defense.

I'd much rather have Duncan Robinson.

If Dunleavy re-signs Klay to Duncan Robinson money would you think that was too much?


Yes, if he was willing to transition to the bench.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#765 » by jozef » Thu Dec 7, 2023 8:02 am

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Jester_ wrote:Just admit you didn't know and sit down lol.

What have I to admit? You're the one who did wrong.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#766 » by righterwriter » Thu Dec 7, 2023 9:48 am

Its at the point where seeing Klay in the game brings me down. You know that the young guys are able to play, need more time to get better, and will actually bring a much bigger impact than Klay, but instead you have Klay eating up their minutes while hurting the team.

A message to the Warriors front office and Steve Kerr: Aging is a fact of life. Being in denial of it is not going to lead to anything good. Nor is playing Klay out of "loyalty" to the past. Take a page out of the 49ers book and be willing to cut ties with your aging superstars before it ruins your team.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#767 » by superunknown » Thu Dec 7, 2023 11:08 am

funny thing is he was commenting recently in interview about people wanting to bench him saying he didn't care because these people "cannot do what he does", without realising that continuing like this soon people won't even want to bench him....but trade his ass.
he's done as a starter and as a 30+ minutes player. and he's the first one that should be traded to prevent kerr to play him big minutes hurting the team.
it didn't have to come to this, but his ego and kerr's stubborness/inability to face reality and make the necessary adjustments got to a point where the right thing to do is to trade him. it is what it is.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#768 » by GSWFan1994 » Thu Dec 7, 2023 3:03 pm

From my side, I'm mentally preparing myself for the inevitable 100/3 extension next off-season.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#769 » by CDM_Stats » Thu Dec 7, 2023 4:41 pm

I'm really trying to work out what the upside is.. why Kerr is doing it

And the only thing I can think of is that Kerr is convinced that the Wiggins-Dray-Looney frontcourt only works if Curry and Klay are on their game. It would explain why when he puts Moody in, he pulls Looney.. but I can't stress how weird it is that a professional NBA coach is going to such lengths to not even try a lineup that's done nothing but be the best unit when he plays them

He's getting **** on from all sides right now too. Almost all W's twitter threads are begging him to start Kuminga (lol) or bench Klay/Wiggins or something.. no one is happy with him right now
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#770 » by Warriors Analyst » Thu Dec 7, 2023 4:56 pm

CDM_Stats wrote:I'm really trying to work out what the upside is.. why Kerr is doing it

And the only thing I can think of is that Kerr is convinced that the Wiggins-Dray-Looney frontcourt only works if Curry and Klay are on their game. It would explain why when he puts Moody in, he pulls Looney.. but I can't stress how weird it is that a professional NBA coach is going to such lengths to not even try a lineup that's done nothing but be the best unit when he plays them

He's getting **** on from all sides right now too. Almost all W's twitter threads are begging him to start Kuminga (lol) or bench Klay/Wiggins or something.. no one is happy with him right now


I think you are spot on about Green/Looney frontcourt. Loon does look heavy this year. But that wouldn’t matter much if Wiggs and Klay were shooting near their expected percentages.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#771 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Dec 7, 2023 5:02 pm

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CDM_Stats wrote:I'm really trying to work out what the upside is.. why Kerr is doing it

And the only thing I can think of is that Kerr is convinced that the Wiggins-Dray-Looney frontcourt only works if Curry and Klay are on their game. It would explain why when he puts Moody in, he pulls Looney.. but I can't stress how weird it is that a professional NBA coach is going to such lengths to not even try a lineup that's done nothing but be the best unit when he plays them

He's getting **** on from all sides right now too. Almost all W's twitter threads are begging him to start Kuminga (lol) or bench Klay/Wiggins or something.. no one is happy with him right now


I think you are spot on about Green/Looney frontcourt. Loon does look heavy this year. But that wouldn’t matter much if Wiggs and Klay were shooting near their expected percentages.


On the plus side, klay and wiggins not shooting well showed us how bad this defense really is. It might be better in the long run to fix the defense now because shots will eventually drop.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#772 » by CDM_Stats » Thu Dec 7, 2023 6:00 pm

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CDM_Stats wrote:I'm really trying to work out what the upside is.. why Kerr is doing it

And the only thing I can think of is that Kerr is convinced that the Wiggins-Dray-Looney frontcourt only works if Curry and Klay are on their game. It would explain why when he puts Moody in, he pulls Looney.. but I can't stress how weird it is that a professional NBA coach is going to such lengths to not even try a lineup that's done nothing but be the best unit when he plays them

He's getting **** on from all sides right now too. Almost all W's twitter threads are begging him to start Kuminga (lol) or bench Klay/Wiggins or something.. no one is happy with him right now


I think you are spot on about Green/Looney frontcourt. Loon does look heavy this year. But that wouldn’t matter much if Wiggs and Klay were shooting near their expected percentages.


Whats frustrating is that this should all be inherently obvious.. the #1 defense from 2 years ago was a house of cards, but we excelled in it because everyone knew their role and limitations. When Kerr just arbitrarily pulls Klay from on-ball duty and puts Wiggins there, everything collapses just like when Oubre was in the lineup

Saw that Klay actually leads the team in blocks, while Wiggins' blocks/steals have plummeted... this isn't very hard to trace back. But Kerr seems determined to try and save Klay from father time, at the expense of the team, Curry/Dray's twilight years, and 2 role players who've done nothing but play hard for the team
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#773 » by jozef » Thu Dec 7, 2023 6:16 pm

Yes, it is strange that starting shooting guard leads the team in blocks at 11 and people want to trade him but they are perfectly happy with a starting center who is at 7 blocks...
I watched all Klay's 3pt attempts in last game at nba.com. Two misses were to side and 5 misses were short-long, 3 of them were just bad luck, he could easily be at 4-8. All attempts were within the flow of the offense at good pace, his defenders trying their best to contain him, nobody sagged off, they all were aware of the 37-point Quarter being there.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#774 » by GQ Hot Dog » Thu Dec 7, 2023 6:18 pm

CDM_Stats wrote:I'm really trying to work out what the upside is.. why Kerr is doing it

And the only thing I can think of is that Kerr is convinced that the Wiggins-Dray-Looney frontcourt only works if Curry and Klay are on their game. It would explain why when he puts Moody in, he pulls Looney.. but I can't stress how weird it is that a professional NBA coach is going to such lengths to not even try a lineup that's done nothing but be the best unit when he plays them

He's getting **** on from all sides right now too. Almost all W's twitter threads are begging him to start Kuminga (lol) or bench Klay/Wiggins or something.. no one is happy with him right now

The bolded is because what Kerr is doing right now is way more complex than most people, including media, are capable of digesting. Kerr is in the midst of his magnum opus coaching job, transitioning from old HoFers to young up-and-comers and it can only be done the right way if it's to be done successfully. Kerr isn't willing to cut anyone loose mentally and let them languish on the bench(and I'm mostly talking about Klay). He's making the moves to get buy-in from everyone.

And I loved Kuminga's response when asked if he understood why he wasn't in the rotation prior to the game and then why he was put in to close the last 17 minutes of the game. He said he didn't know, all he could do was support his teammates and stay ready which is all Kerr ever asks of his players. The implicit statement when Kerr tells his players to just stay ready is that it's not their job to understand why or when they get played. It's his and the coaching staff's job. They're the cooks, he's the ingredient and it's not the ingredient's place to know what's being cooked.

Most people don't get this: Kerr knows how to coach and he's better at it than any of us. If you don't understand why Kerr does something, it's because you haven't spent the majority of your life in the NBA ecosystem and thus you are not on Kerr's level. Deal with it.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#775 » by CDM_Stats » Thu Dec 7, 2023 6:37 pm

Yeah its working great.. Moody was out of the rotation 2 games ago and Kuminga just had his 2nd or 3rd positive game of the season. The starting lineup is getting crushed defensively, and the moves Kerr is making are going further away from what's successful. All part of the plan? Great coaching? Just like the coaching job to end last year?

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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#776 » by KevinMcreynolds » Thu Dec 7, 2023 7:29 pm

I feel like JK has had a lot more than 2 or 3 good games
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is Klay done? 

Post#777 » by EvanZ » Thu Dec 7, 2023 7:43 pm

Yeah Kerr is amazing. He’ll probably take Moody out of the rotation because he missed his last three shots. What a genius.


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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#778 » by jozef » Thu Dec 7, 2023 7:50 pm

Kerr's only but heavy fault is that he still had not recognized that only player capable of fill duties at center position is Trayce Jackson-Davis. All other "struggles" are just a byproduct of that fault.
This 23-year old power forward is the only one who could have solid athletic influence at center position. It is sad that Warriors roster is built that way when rookie power forward is the only option to any succes. Now I hope it will take not so long for Steve Kerr to recognize it.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#779 » by CDM_Stats » Thu Dec 7, 2023 7:57 pm

KevinMcreynolds wrote:I feel like JK has had a lot more than 2 or 3 good games


San Antonio, LAC #1, and Portland

He put up some good counting stats in others but he's been detrimental to the team in the overwhelming majority of games so far
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#780 » by KevinMcreynolds » Thu Dec 7, 2023 8:00 pm

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