OFFICIAL: Dwight A Laker NOT a Net WHeee!!!

[GONYK]

thread is about dwight howard. not the knicks. not melo. not lin.

Dwight Howard has implications for the Knicks.

Not really

[Knicker23]

Are we REALLY going to do "this" again? This "so we can't be the best, luckiest, etc" so we're "doommed I tell ya, dooooooomed!!!" way of thinking?

Not every team could get Lebron? 1 did...wasn't us or 28 other teams that would have wanted him.

Not every team could get Howard? 1 did...wasn't us or 28 other teams that would have wanted him.

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Knicks are doomed?

Are you saying the Knicks aren't doomed? What's the definition of "not doomed" then? I don't think we're even close to being in the discussion for a championship, and we just let our best young player walk for nothing, while rounding out the roster with old vets who aren't impact players. Were are in draft-pick debt, and our one young up-and-comer is going to be coming off a major injury. We'll be a +.500 team, and if everything clicks we might even be a 50 win team. But that's about it, and then we are rebuilding in 3 years. I guess it just depends on what the definition of "doomed" is.

Take a look around the NBA... Do you really consider a team that has the chance to be the 3rd, hell even 2nd, best team in the East, can be considered "doomed" -- give me a break. You can't be any closer to a championship in the East, behind the Heat, than we are.

Lin is a scrub and left for more money elsewhere, big whoop. He'll lead the Rockets to nothing, and be forgotten. We're in a 'win now' mode, so the 'everything coming off the books in 3 yrs' is a good thing- not a bad thing.

Only Knick fans can complain about being a team capable of making it to ECF.

[TDcraz5]

As much as I despise Dwight....The only way we were gonna shake things up is if we were able to move STAT for him. Even though they don't fit that great next to one another....Imagine Tyson & D12 I'm surprised that we didn't even take a shot at him...Shump became expendable for a move of that magnitude after the signings we made this offseason. Felton, JR , Melo, Dwight, Tyson....oh well

[GONYK]

As much as I despise Dwight....The only way we were gonna shake things up is if we were able to move STAT for him. Even though they don't fit that great next to one another....Imagine Tyson & D12 I'm surprised that we didn't even take a shot at him...Shump became expendable for a move of that magnitude after the signings we made this offseason. Felton, JR , Melo, Dwight, Tyson....oh well

Thats turrble

[moocow007]

thread is about dwight howard. not the knicks. not melo. not lin.

Dwight Howard has implications for the Knicks.

For the 2 games NY will play the Lakers a season, sure. So unless you believe that NY can overcome Miami to get to a point where there will be real implications, the implication of him being a Laker is more marginal than the "old guys" we signed.

[god shammgod]

thread is about dwight howard. not the knicks. not melo. not lin.

Backseat Mod to the rescue

i'm not backseating modding. i'm doing this for myself not the board. i'm just sick of the same bullsh*t in every thread. it annoys me.

[Thugger HBC]

it isn't about wanting or not wanting howard. it is about knicks management that people are upset. and rightfully so dolan has made some dumb decisions and when you look at how denver handled there situation, overpaying for assets so that they could use them as future trade chips down the road, handling javale mcgee's free agency properly. we mortgaged our future to win now and things are looking like we won't be winning for a while.

Whatever man, everything in the NBA isn't about the Knicks.

Dwight is in LA, he's only a Knicks issue a couple times a year, and that would be the case no matter where he is.

LA has talent to acquire talent.

Quit acting like the got Howard for Jordan Hill.

they trade the 2nd best center for the 1st.

[Falstaffxx]

Are we REALLY going to do "this" again? This "so we can't be the best, luckiest, etc" so we're "doommed I tell ya, dooooooomed!!!" way of thinking?

Not every team could get Lebron? 1 did...wasn't us or 28 other teams that would have wanted him.

Not every team could get Howard? 1 did...wasn't us or 28 other teams that would have wanted him.

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Knicks are doomed?

Are you saying the Knicks aren't doomed? What's the definition of "not doomed" then? I don't think we're even close to being in the discussion for a championship, and we just let our best young player walk for nothing, while rounding out the roster with old vets who aren't impact players. Were are in draft-pick debt, and our one young up-and-comer is going to be coming off a major injury. We'll be a +.500 team, and if everything clicks we might even be a 50 win team. But that's about it, and then we are rebuilding in 3 years. I guess it just depends on what the definition of "doomed" is.

Doomed implies that you are first destined for something. Which again, goes right into what fans of other teams criticize about the Knick fans...when they act like they deserve something and, when they don't get it, get robbed of it. NY is no more destined for anything than any other team. And, as a result, it isn't doomed anymore than any other team.

So because we're not championship locks were doomed?

Old vets that aren't impact players? Kidd and Camby may not be their former star selfs but they hardly are useless.

Draft pick debt? We have no 2nd round picks (wow). We have dealt 2 1st round picks during a stretch that the Knicks will still be among the better teams in the NBA (wow).

So we're going to be a pretty good team is what you're saying and that = doomed?

YOu just answered you're own overreaction question yourself.

Again with "second round picks" don't matter. Yet second round picks were required for the trades for these players that are supposedly good acquisitions, like Kidd and Camby.

I didn't say they won't contribute, I said they aren't impact players. Yet we brought them in as if we are rounding out our roster for a title run, when we have not chance, while getting rid of the one player who could have helped now AND been a building block for the future. Self-destrucive, senseless management that continues the Knicks' cycle of futility. Every time, we try to rationalize it. I've been there rationalizing it every time along with everyone else. But this is one time too many, and just too blantant, to be ignored.

[Fury]

Everything is all good man. The last 10 years prove this.

[GONYK]

Again with "second round picks" don't matter. Yet second round picks were required for the trades for these players that are supposedly good acquisitions, like Kidd and Camby.

I didn't say they won't contribute, I said they aren't impact players. Yet we brought them in as if we are rounding out our roster for a title run, when we have not chance, while getting rid of the one player who could have helped now AND been a building block for the future. Self-destrucive, senseless management that continues the Knicks' cycle of futility. Every time, we try to rationalize it. I've been there rationalizing it every time along with everyone else. But this is one time too many, and just too blantant, to be ignored.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but this applies to Dwight Howard going to the Lakers...how?

[NBA Fan 1234]

thread is about dwight howard. not the knicks. not melo. not lin.

Backseat Mod to the rescue

i'm not backseating modding. i'm doing this for myself not the board. i'm just sick of the same bullsh*t in every thread. it annoys me.

Join the club.

[knicksnyk]

it isn't about wanting or not wanting howard. it is about knicks management that people are upset. and rightfully so dolan has made some dumb decisions and when you look at how denver handled there situation, overpaying for assets so that they could use them as future trade chips down the road, handling javale mcgee's free agency properly. we mortgaged our future to win now and things are looking like we won't be winning for a while.

Whatever man, everything in the NBA isn't about the Knicks.

Dwight is in LA, he's only a Knicks issue a couple times a year, and that would be the case no matter where he is.

LA has talent to acquire talent.

Quit acting like the got Howard for Jordan Hill.

they trade the 2nd best center for the 1st.

I thought this was a knicks board?

And LA has talent to acquire talent. Doens't that same statement apply to us as well.

[Falstaffxx]

thread is about dwight howard. not the knicks. not melo. not lin.

Dwight Howard has implications for the Knicks.

For the 2 games NY will play the Lakers a season, sure. So unless you believe that NY can overcome Miami to get to a point where there will be real implications, the implication of him being a Laker is more marginal than the "old guys" we signed.

If we're starting out by saying "well we can't beat Miami anyhow, so it doesn't matter that there's a Western Conference team that we couldn't beat in a million years" then whatever...I mean now there are two teams that we don't have a change of beating instead of one, yet we're stocking up on 38-year-old bench guys as if we're the Heat rounding out a roster.

[Knicker23]

thread is about dwight howard. not the knicks. not melo. not lin.

Dwight Howard has implications for the Knicks.

For the 2 games NY will play the Lakers a season, sure. So unless you believe that NY can overcome Miami to get to a point where there will be real implications, the implication of him being a Laker is more marginal than the "old guys" we signed.

The implications of being out of the conference and leaving the magic a team no longer in the hunt is infinitely more impacting to the Knicks than any of the other bs trying to make this a bad thing for the Knicks.. Also him not going to Brooklyn. Win for NY

[GONYK]

it isn't about wanting or not wanting howard. it is about knicks management that people are upset. and rightfully so dolan has made some dumb decisions and when you look at how denver handled there situation, overpaying for assets so that they could use them as future trade chips down the road, handling javale mcgee's free agency properly. we mortgaged our future to win now and things are looking like we won't be winning for a while.

Whatever man, everything in the NBA isn't about the Knicks.

Dwight is in LA, he's only a Knicks issue a couple times a year, and that would be the case no matter where he is.

LA has talent to acquire talent.

Quit acting like the got Howard for Jordan Hill.

they trade the 2nd best center for the 1st.

I thought this was a knicks board?

And LA has talent to acquire talent. Doens't that same statement apply to us as well.

Huh?

[moocow007]

As much as I despise Dwight....The only way we were gonna shake things up is if we were able to move STAT for him. Even though they don't fit that great next to one another....Imagine Tyson & D12 I'm surprised that we didn't even take a shot at him...Shump became expendable for a move of that magnitude after the signings we made this offseason. Felton, JR , Melo, Dwight, Tyson....oh well

Orlando wasn't going to take Stoudemire for him. Not after the really ugly year that Stoudemire was coming off of. If anything the Knicks are the king of bad timing. Bad timing in terms of when the old CBA expired to when Melo was free. Bad timing in terms of when their star player "decides" to have the worst season of his career. Bad timing in terms of when Dolan decides to interject.

[knicksnyk]

Are we REALLY going to do "this" again? This "so we can't be the best, luckiest, etc" so we're "doommed I tell ya, dooooooomed!!!" way of thinking?

Not every team could get Lebron? 1 did...wasn't us or 28 other teams that would have wanted him.

Not every team could get Howard? 1 did...wasn't us or 28 other teams that would have wanted him.

=

Knicks are doomed?

Are you saying the Knicks aren't doomed? What's the definition of "not doomed" then? I don't think we're even close to being in the discussion for a championship, and we just let our best young player walk for nothing, while rounding out the roster with old vets who aren't impact players. Were are in draft-pick debt, and our one young up-and-comer is going to be coming off a major injury. We'll be a +.500 team, and if everything clicks we might even be a 50 win team. But that's about it, and then we are rebuilding in 3 years. I guess it just depends on what the definition of "doomed" is.

Take a look around the NBA... Do you really consider a team that has the chance to be the 3rd, hell even 2nd, best team in the East, can be considered "doomed" -- give me a break. You can't be any closer to a championship in the East, behind the Heat, than we are.

Lin is a scrub and left for more money elsewhere, big whoop. He'll lead the Rockets to nothing, and be forgotten. We're in a 'win now' mode, so the 'everything coming off the books in 3 yrs' is a good thing- not a bad thing.

Only Knick fans can complain about being a team capable of making it to ECF.

y dont we worry about getting out of the first round first before we start talking about making it to the ECF.

[Falstaffxx]

Again with "second round picks" don't matter. Yet second round picks were required for the trades for these players that are supposedly good acquisitions, like Kidd and Camby.

I didn't say they won't contribute, I said they aren't impact players. Yet we brought them in as if we are rounding out our roster for a title run, when we have not chance, while getting rid of the one player who could have helped now AND been a building block for the future. Self-destrucive, senseless management that continues the Knicks' cycle of futility. Every time, we try to rationalize it. I've been there rationalizing it every time along with everyone else. But this is one time too many, and just too blantant, to be ignored.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but this applies to Dwight Howard going to the Lakers...how?

Just one more team to make this supposed "win now" run that much more futile. Could have stayed in win now mode WHILE prepping for the future, except we have a stubborn, stupid front office that makes fools of the fans.

[Thugger HBC]

I thought the stickied thread on top was for this Knicks management bitch fest?

[albert]

It looks like the 2014 first round pick going from Denver to Orlando would be the one we gave them in the Melo trade if its a lower than Denver's other original first round pick.