Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[Knighthonor]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/12/5 ... s-nba-2013

Trade Ariza?

Opinions?

[dangermouse]

Depends on who we get back.

Ariza is playing well enough now that he is more to us than a decent expiring 3&D forward. He;s a good piece for a team with playoff ambitions that needs that kind of player. We're that team now.

I think I'd only trade him (probably in a deal including Seraphin) if Otto can make up for at least some of his production when he becomes active, and getting a 1st rounder back in this draft would be nice too. Both unlikely to happen.

[verbal8]

Depends on who we get back.

Ariza is playing well enough now that he is more to us than a decent expiring 3&D forward. He;s a good piece for a team with playoff ambitions that needs that kind of player. We're that team now.

I think I'd only trade him (probably in a deal including Seraphin) if Otto can make up for at least some of his production when he becomes active, and getting a 1st rounder back in this draft would be nice too. Both unlikely to happen.

I think a 2015 1st might be a more reasonable asking price for Ariza. Also unless the pick was going to be great, I would want to move Maynor in the same deal.

The good part about Vesley having flashes of competence this season, is it makes it possible to keep Ariza and send out expirings, Booker could be used to make a team willing to take Singleton or Seraphin.

[pcbothwel]

Ill tell you, some of us disagree about trades, draft picks, etc. But we at least have a general understanding of value. I mentioned the 3-way trade on the Raptors board and while most were all for it, some people come up with "counter offers" like this:

Toronto In - Amare Stoudimire + Otto Porter + Iman Shumpart + Trevor Ariza

New York In - Nene + Kyle Lowry

Washington In - Rudy Gay + Landry Fields + Tyler Hansbrough

Why for Toronto

We unload Rudy and take back a tank contract with Amare... add young trading pieces with Porter and Shumpart. Unload Fields for Ariza's expiring

Why for New York

Unload Amare and get production from Nene, who has played with Melo. Get a real starting PG

Why for Washington

Win now move to get vets in the locker room and a real starting SF

I mean...what the hell world do some people live in.

[tontoz]

Ill tell you, some of us disagree about trades, draft picks, etc. But we at least have a general understanding of value. I mentioned the 3-way trade on the Raptors board and while most were all for it, some people come up with "counter offers" like this:

Toronto In - Amare Stoudimire + Otto Porter + Iman Shumpart + Trevor Ariza

New York In - Nene + Kyle Lowry

Washington In - Rudy Gay + Landry Fields + Tyler Hansbrough

Why for Toronto

We unload Rudy and take back a tank contract with Amare... add young trading pieces with Porter and Shumpart. Unload Fields for Ariza's expiring

Why for New York

Unload Amare and get production from Nene, who has played with Melo. Get a real starting PG

Why for Washington

Win now move to get vets in the locker room and a real starting SF

I mean...what the hell world do some people live in.

Even if their salaries were equal i would still take Ariza over Gay. Gay has been awful and Ariza has been putting up career numbers.

[dckingsfan]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10090 ... rade-block

[jivelikenice]

If we trade for Asik, how much money would we have left to pay Gortat this offseason? Also would Nene be ok with an eventual bench role assuming Nene isn't part of the deal? I'm hoping he would, realizing the pain he plays through and his ability to anchor the 2nd unit.

[LyricalRico]

If we trade for Asik, how much money would we have left to pay Gortat this offseason? Also would Nene be ok with an eventual bench role assuming Nene isn't part of the deal? I'm hoping he would, realizing the pain he plays through and his ability to anchor the 2nd unit.

Speaking strictly cap-wise, there wouldn't be any issues since we'd be using Bird Rights to retain Gortat (and thus can go over the cap). But practically speaking, trading for Asik would mean we wouldn't be retaining Gortat since they play the same position and as a UFA he'd almost certainly go somewhere to start.

[Dark Faze]

I want Asik badly for his defense and rebounding but I don't know if he'd be willing to share the floor with Gortat--he's literally miserable playing with Dwight.

Nene could help them. That's the type of team where Nene missing twenty games a year or so wouldn't be a big deal so long as he was ready for the playoffs.

I checked the trade checker and it works--they get Nene and we get Asik and some scrub PG who gets three hundred grand a season.

Conceptually speaking if we could make it work our penetration issues should go away. Asik and Gortat are huge bodies that should be able to protect the rim. Only concern is transition defense.

[mohammed10]

If we trade for Asik, how much money would we have left to pay Gortat this offseason? Also would Nene be ok with an eventual bench role assuming Nene isn't part of the deal? I'm hoping he would, realizing the pain he plays through and his ability to anchor the 2nd unit.

Let Otto get a few games under his belt and then trade Ariza for Asik?

Does that work salary cap wise?

[tontoz]

If we trade for Asik, how much money would we have left to pay Gortat this offseason? Also would Nene be ok with an eventual bench role assuming Nene isn't part of the deal? I'm hoping he would, realizing the pain he plays through and his ability to anchor the 2nd unit.

Let Otto get a few games under his belt and then trade Ariza for Asik?

Does that work salary cap wise?

I think Nate already pointed out that Houston wouldn't want Ariza back. I think they were the ones that gave him the big contract and then he struggled.

[J-Ves]

I'm starting to warm up to Otto for Thad Young. Something like Otto+ Maynor+expiring for Young. Thad would fit well here as the starting PF allowing us to move Nene to the bench. His overall efficiency is down slightly this year , but he is hitting threes giving the Wizards a possible stretch 4. He's never been a good rebounder for a PF but that is not a big problem if paired with Gortat. Looking towards next year, we could use bird rights to sign Gortat and Ariza giving us a rotation 7 deep:
Wall
Beal
Ariza Webster
Young Nene
Gortat
That's a very good two way team, with deadly knock down shooters at almost every position. The obvious hole is back up point guard, maybe we bring Sato over and sign another PG like AJ Price for the minimum. We would still have GR2 for wing depth.

At 25, Thad should have plenty left in the tank going forward and is signed for the next 3 years with an ETO for the final year.


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[dckingsfan]

If we trade for Asik, how much money would we have left to pay Gortat this offseason? Also would Nene be ok with an eventual bench role assuming Nene isn't part of the deal? I'm hoping he would, realizing the pain he plays through and his ability to anchor the 2nd unit.

I think if we get involved it is because someone wants expiring contracts.

[GeeWiz]

Honestly, I wouldnt want Asik. He seems to be a cry baby over PT and how could Gortat and Asik play well together? The spacing would be whack between the two, AND Asik cant hit FTs.




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[jsbasketball10]

Sova sucks, you guys are over rating the mess out of him. Screw him vessely could be that guy one day. Look we aren't trading away porter that's just foolish. what we need is a real backup point guard, another player who can get buckets off the bench and yes another big man, but I don't think that trading away ariza or porter to get illyasova who is not worth the like 8 a year or whatever he gets makes much sense for us. We need to look into trading for grevis Vasquez, that's what would be smart. Vasquez would love playing in DC and he was a terps legend and fan favorite. We could prolly get him to stay here as long as we wanted. Find out what kind of deal arizas willing to sign and if it's not a short term deal or under say 5-6.5 million a year I say screw it and trade either him or Webster away because they are too similar and there are other roles we could fill. There's something that makes me feel that we could get a guy like Arron afflalo who could really make a big contribution to our team as a legit 6th man maybe the best 6th man in the league. I can understand the illyasova trade only if it's illyasova and ridinour/wolters for ariza and maynor and even then I'm not so sure about it.

[MrPerfect1]

Sova sucks, you guys are over rating the mess out of him. Screw him vessely could be that guy one day. Look we aren't trading away porter that's just foolish. what we need is a real backup point guard, another player who can get buckets off the bench and yes another big man, but I don't think that trading away ariza or porter to get illyasova who is not worth the like 8 a year or whatever he gets makes much sense for us. We need to look into trading for grevis Vasquez, that's what would be smart. Vasquez would love playing in DC and he was a terps legend and fan favorite. We could prolly get him to stay here as long as we wanted. Find out what kind of deal arizas willing to sign and if it's not a short term deal or under say 5-6.5 million a year I say screw it and trade either him or Webster away because they are too similar and there are other roles we could fill. There's something that makes me feel that we could get a guy like Arron afflalo who could really make a big contribution to our team as a legit 6th man maybe the best 6th man in the league. I can understand the illyasova trade only if it's illyasova and ridinour/wolters for ariza and maynor and even then I'm not so sure about it.

I would put huge amounts of money against Vessely having seasons shooting 45% from 3 while putting up a PER in the 18-20 range while playing almost 30 mins/game.

[mhd]

What about this deal:

Wiz trade Maynor+Seraphin for Novak+2014 OKC 2nd rounder that the Raptors have?

Wiz can then sign Pierre Jackson from the D-League. Novak expires alongside Nene, so he wouldn't hurt the potential Durant Dream. Novak would strictly play as a stretch PF, and he'd be a great fit with Wall getting him open looks.

[nate33]

What about this deal:

Wiz trade Maynor+Seraphin for Novak+2014 OKC 2nd rounder that the Raptors have?

Wiz can then sign Pierre Jackson from the D-League. Novak expires alongside Nene, so he wouldn't hurt the potential Durant Dream. Novak would strictly play as a stretch PF, and he'd be a great fit with Wall getting him open looks.

I LIKE this idea. In general, I've been against trading expiring contracts for a mediocre stretch four like Copeland or Bass, but Novak is a different story. That guy can SHOOT, and he has an insanely quick release. He's only a situational player because he can't really defend the PF position, but man would he open up the floor for us. I'd love to have him in the game during critical offensive possessions. His salary is pretty reasonable and Toronto looks like they're ready to blow it all up so they'd probably be in favor of the deal for the cap relief.

I don't think we get that 2nd rounder if we stick them with Eric Maynor though. Also, we would have to wait until December 15th to make the deal.

[mhd]

What about this deal:

Wiz trade Maynor+Seraphin for Novak+2014 OKC 2nd rounder that the Raptors have?

Wiz can then sign Pierre Jackson from the D-League. Novak expires alongside Nene, so he wouldn't hurt the potential Durant Dream. Novak would strictly play as a stretch PF, and he'd be a great fit with Wall getting him open looks.

I LIKE this idea. In general, I've been against trading expiring contracts for a mediocre stretch four like Copeland or Bass, but Novak is a different story. That guy can SHOOT, and he has an insanely quick release. He's only a situational player because he can't really defend the PF position, but man would he open up the floor for us. I'd love to have him in the game during critical offensive possessions. His salary is pretty reasonable and Toronto looks like they're ready to blow it all up so they'd probably be in favor of the deal for the cap relief.

I don't think we get that 2nd rounder if we stick them with Eric Maynor though. Also, we would have to wait until December 15th to make the deal.

Well, stunningly, the Raps have worse backup PGs then we do! I'd figure that shaving off 3.5+ million in 2015 is worth it to the Raps to give up a very late 2nd rounder, but Masai is a good gm, in contrast to our cornball EG. Maynor would HAVE to go in any Novak trade simply because we are taking on 2+ years of salary while Maynor makes 1+ year. The 2nd rounder isn't a deal breaker, and we don't need it. This trade accompishes the major need of getting Maynor off the team, and signing Marshall/Jackson from the D-league.

[nate33]

Well, stunningly, the Raps have worse backup PGs then we do! I'd figure that shaving off 3.5+ million in 2015 is worth it to the Raps to give up a very late 2nd rounder, but Masai is a good gm, in contrast to our cornball EG. Maynor would HAVE to go in any Novak trade simply because we are taking on 2+ years of salary while Maynor makes 1+ year. The 2nd rounder isn't a deal breaker, and we don't need it. This trade accompishes the major need of getting Maynor off the team, and signing Marshall/Jackson from the D-league.

Agreed. I'd do this trade without that 2nd round pick involved. It's simple and effective. Nice job.