Officiating in the NBA

[J-Roc]

The team needs to tell Casey that they will cover him if he gets a fine and we all need to bitch just like the Nets did so it goes the other way next time .

I think it's the right call by Casey to not get the young kids thinking about non calls. Gotta play hard. Maybe if we're losing the next game players have permission to get T'd up. And Casey, too.



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[Pseudonym]

If you want to blame someone for tonight it should be something like:

40% lack of any defense
30% poor execution on offense for 3 quarters
15% sit your ass down Amir
10% refs
5% Blowry

No way! Kidd literally bought this win for $25,000. The refs made the team stop playing defense. The refs put butter on the basketball in the 3rd quarter. The refs made the Raptors stand around on offense. The refs killed all ball movement for Toronto.

[UnderdogRaptors]

i see what u did there kidd

[Sn0wman]

Refs really came out of the closet, Jason kidd paid them off, looks like its Casey's turn to pay up 25k, SMH!!

[theloo]

Non-calls are just as big as what has been called

Non-calls and touch fouls have been an issue for both ends. The refs just need to remain consistent.

Exactly. Thats the problem I've noticed, the inconsistency. Let them play or call a tight game. The hand check foul by Val on Blatche in the third quarter (?) is when i lost it. How can you let the Nets play aggressive D(which by the book they were fouling every other play) and then call a silly foul like that?

Raps played like garbage but the refs were no help.

-first post, don't expect y'all to care. But i've been lurking for a minute so I care!

[ATLTimekeeper]

We made this a loss, the refs made it a blowout loss. It was pretty obvious with who they were targeting and who they were letting get away with murder.

Fun series fact, Mason Plumlee has more 6 more free throws than Amir Johnson, even though Johnson has 20 more buckets (and they're all in the paint!). Marcus Thornton has just one less free throw than Vasquez.

[Fairview4Life]

We made this a loss, the refs made it a blowout loss. It was pretty obvious with who they were targeting and who they were letting get away with murder.

Fun series fact, Mason Plumlee has more 6 more free throws than Amir Johnson, even though Johnson has 20 more buckets (and they're all in the paint!). Marcus Thornton has just one less free throw than Vasquez.

We've usually been fouling Plumlee intentionally instead of letting him shoot, since he isn't a great FT shooter. Their USG%'s are fairly similar, just like with Thornton and Vasquez. Vasquez has been taking a higher % of his shots as 3's.

[Thelonious]

It's all good saying the Raptors lost the game and the refs made it a blowout. It shows you're levelheaded.

But I'm not going to pretend I know what would have happened if both teams were allowed to play defense the same way consistently. It's a chicken and egg situation. Yes the Raptors played horribly and lost their composure. But the refs asking us to play legal defense the way they're calling it is essentially asking us to let the Nets go where they want.

It's painfully obvious.

Also, when the whistle is very early one way and very late the other way, it pretty much tells you what the refs are looking for.

[ATLTimekeeper]

We made this a loss, the refs made it a blowout loss. It was pretty obvious with who they were targeting and who they were letting get away with murder.

Fun series fact, Mason Plumlee has more 6 more free throws than Amir Johnson, even though Johnson has 20 more buckets (and they're all in the paint!). Marcus Thornton has just one less free throw than Vasquez.

We've usually been fouling Plumlee intentionally instead of letting him shoot, since he isn't a great FT shooter. Their USG%'s are fairly similar, just like with Thornton and Vasquez. Vasquez has been taking a higher % of his shots as 3's.

Same usage but way fewer minutes, though. Amir's not getting smacked on those rolls? Vasquez has still taken 25 shots in the paint. To put that in context, that's only 3 less than DWill.

[AntwanBoldin]

Hey guys I think this series is really about dwill vs Lowry. Everything else is pretty even. And call me crazy but the referee crying is very ironic. How can you not see that ?

Lowry is the better player. He should take this home for you. For us, assuming we lose the pg matchup, we need a blathe or a Teletovic to get hot

[Thelonious]

Hey guys I think this series is really about dwill vs Lowry. Everything else is pretty even. And call me crazy but the referee crying is very ironic. How can you not see that ?

Lowry is the better player. He should take this home for you. For us, assuming we lose the pg matchup, we need a blathe or a Teletovic to get hot

Yes, JJ and Kidd complaining about the officiating is very ironic, to say the least.

[Prokorov]

We made this a loss, the refs made it a blowout loss. It was pretty obvious with who they were targeting and who they were letting get away with murder.

Fun series fact, Mason Plumlee has more 6 more free throws than Amir Johnson, even though Johnson has 20 more buckets (and they're all in the paint!). Marcus Thornton has just one less free throw than Vasquez.

you dont think the raps intentionally fouling plumlee when he catches ball under the rim cause he is a great finisher yet horrible FT shooter has anything to do with that?

go back and look at all the fouls that have sent plumlee to the line.

[AntwanBoldin]

Hey guys I think this series is really about dwill vs Lowry. Everything else is pretty even. And call me crazy but the referee crying is very ironic. How can you not see that ?

Lowry is the better player. He should take this home for you. For us, assuming we lose the pg matchup, we need a blathe or a Teletovic to get hot

Yes, JJ and Kidd complaining about the officiating is very ironic, to say the least.

Well I meant ironic b/c the entire basketball world laughed at any claims of uneven officiating. Then people started noticing Lowry flopping and now people are saying that the people calling out bad officiating are whiners. When raitors fans whined before the series started and after every loss.

[AntwanBoldin]

We made this a loss, the refs made it a blowout loss. It was pretty obvious with who they were targeting and who they were letting get away with murder.

Fun series fact, Mason Plumlee has more 6 more free throws than Amir Johnson, even though Johnson has 20 more buckets (and they're all in the paint!). Marcus Thornton has just one less free throw than Vasquez.

you dont think the raps intentionally fouling plumlee when he catche ball under the rim cause he is a great finisher yet horrible FT shooter have anything to do with that?

go back and look at all the fouls that have sent plumlee to the line.

Nah man, plumlee is getting the star treamtment bro

[WaltFrazier]

So now we are back to a scenario where, as Tim Donagy said on Jeff Blair's Fan590 show, the leaguue would rather see Brooklyn vs Miami for rating purposes. Even though the Heat will likely sweep the Nets imo. Raps might have to overcome about 10 points worth of reffing bias to win on Sunday. That's how I look at it, whatever number you put on it, the refs will make it easier for the Nets to win, but you can still overcome it if say the Nets don't do their part by making shots.

[Thelonious]

We made this a loss, the refs made it a blowout loss. It was pretty obvious with who they were targeting and who they were letting get away with murder.

Fun series fact, Mason Plumlee has more 6 more free throws than Amir Johnson, even though Johnson has 20 more buckets (and they're all in the paint!). Marcus Thornton has just one less free throw than Vasquez.

We've usually been fouling Plumlee intentionally instead of letting him shoot, since he isn't a great FT shooter. Their USG%'s are fairly similar, just like with Thornton and Vasquez. Vasquez has been taking a higher % of his shots as 3's.

Same usage but way fewer minutes, though. Amir's not getting smacked on those rolls? Vasquez has still taken 25 shots in the paint. To put that in context, that's only 3 less than DWill.

I'm going to play devil's advocate and say Vasquez's baskets in the paint are almost all high arching teardrops.

Almost all the advantage the Nets play with comes from how the refs call contact on the perimeter. Our guards start the game playing physical defense on pick and rolls and quickly abandon it because they get in foul trouble and the Nets are in the bonus early. Then come the blow-byes and the out of control closeouts.
On the other hand the Nets are allowed to ride our players on every drive and send them towards the help.

The other part is players fighting for position and battling for rebounds. Raps get the short end of the sick there too

[ATLTimekeeper]

you dont think the raps intentionally fouling plumlee when he catches ball under the rim cause he is a great finisher yet horrible FT shooter has anything to do with that?

go back and look at all the fouls that have sent plumlee to the line.

I have no problem with him drawing fouls, I have a problem with Amir Johnson not drawing them. Go back and look at all the no calls and strips on Amir through the series, all the and1s he wasn't credited for.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I'm going to play devil's advocate and say Vasquez's baskets in the paint are almost all high arching teardrops.

Yes, there's a degree of that. 25 attempts in the paint, he's been fouled more than 4 times on drives. I don't think he deserves the same whistle as a star, but he deserves way more than Marcus Thornton, who's done nothing but **** his pants all series at both ends of the floor. He deserves way more than Shaun Livingston, who hasn't done a damned thing since game 1.

[kingcns187]

all i know is whoever is at the game better let the refs here it if there are some suspect calls. I swear to god i was so smashed at game 1 i wanted to throw my beer at the ref.

[jim todd]