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ClipsFanSince98 wrote:

buzzkilloton wrote:

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Always remember. He said Tobias Harris was better.

I said asset. As in age/contract/health. Tobias is still improving Blake has already peaked.Theirs more to a player then just the current season!

I dont want to be stuck with this guy for years. I want to build through the draft and make a good team with good contracts. Same old story with SVG since hes been running the show.

I get it you've got a Blake avatar you're a big fan! You got the best of the guy. You should be happy in a couple seasons hes going to make 36mill and you'll have new players to root for. The pistons are locked into a 70mill frontcourt thats not even good on defense in the 2018+ nba with Rjax at pg. Prime Blake/CP3/Reddick/DAJ/Crawford/ this pistons team is not!

I get it. The last two years will be not so fun IF he doesn't return to form. That being said, it's way too soon to know yet. 30 games isn't enough sample to panic yet. I still feel you gave an unreasonable and negative skewed breakdown of his game.

Blake is the ULTIMATE playmaking big who creates for himself with the dribble better than any big in the NBA. I promise you he does NOT rely on spoonfeed. In fact, he plays better when he gets to handle the ball a lot more.

I hear ya man. Hes still currently a really good player. I just find some guys never get injuries and others always have some weird injuries popping up. Blakes the latter not the former and guys like this dont approach 30 and magically become iron men.

Hes a great offensive talent. His handles are sick for a guy that size and hes working on his outside game as well the amazing passing. I still dont see him as the optimal fit next to Drummond. I'd like to see a defensive big next to Drummond. My dream was putting a young rookie like Jaren Jackson next to him who can defend the rim and shoot the 3.

My other problem with the deal is is how much better is Drummond/Blake than what DAJ/Blake currently show? Drummonds good but i mean come on its not like hes THAT much better then DAJ, DAJ is for sure better on D. Having double bigs in this guard dominated league taking all your cap doesnt work, look at the pels with 2 way better bigs. I look at the clippers roster with sweet Lou and company and think its better currently then what the pistons are trading to become. I just cant stomach a trade that puts us on par with a 9th seed west team when were currently in 9th in the east a weaker conference.

I hope Blake works out and becomes a top 10 nba player through the contract. Hes getting paid like it. I just see it as SVG forcing a move because he needs to save his job. He was on the hot seat. I mean look the Thunder wouldnt give up PG13 who could leave for Blake and they got Westbrook. I just feel like SVG made this move because he was going to get canned and if it doesnt work out he wont be here to deal with, let the next guy figure it out. If the pistons were say the rapts/celtics/cavs style eastern team id get going for this guy to try to make a run. Were just picking him up to make the playoffs makes no sense to me.

dantley4prez wrote:I just want to offer this. Derrick Rose is 29. Deron Williams started to fade for real at 29. Charles Barkley's last HOF season? Age 29. Blake Griffin is 28.

Bahahaha

buzzkilloton wrote:He played with the best passing pg in the game his entire career. He was playing in easy mode. He isnt the same explosive athlete he once was. He plays no defense whatsoever. Hes not worth the 40mill hes going to be making. Sure a few seasons ago he was one of the top10ish guys in the league but he isnt now.

The clippers this season were 17-16 with Blake 8-8 without Blake with a +0.2 point diff with him. Comparing him to Dirks,KG, and Duncans is the worst take ever. This guy hasnt made a all star game in 3 seasons hes the 3rd highest paid player ITL. Tobias Harris is a better asset straight up being younger and paid half as much.

Griffin, while certainly not a great defender, is by no means terrible and he does expend effort on that side of the court. He is just a bit limited by his relatively short wingspan

buzzkilloton wrote:

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:

buzzkilloton wrote:
I said asset. As in age/contract/health. Tobias is still improving Blake has already peaked.Theirs more to a player then just the current season!

I dont want to be stuck with this guy for years. I want to build through the draft and make a good team with good contracts. Same old story with SVG since hes been running the show.

I get it you've got a Blake avatar you're a big fan! You got the best of the guy. You should be happy in a couple seasons hes going to make 36mill and you'll have new players to root for. The pistons are locked into a 70mill frontcourt thats not even good on defense in the 2018+ nba with Rjax at pg. Prime Blake/CP3/Reddick/DAJ/Crawford/ this pistons team is not!

I get it. The last two years will be not so fun IF he doesn't return to form. That being said, it's way too soon to know yet. 30 games isn't enough sample to panic yet. I still feel you gave an unreasonable and negative skewed breakdown of his game.

Blake is the ULTIMATE playmaking big who creates for himself with the dribble better than any big in the NBA. I promise you he does NOT rely on spoonfeed. In fact, he plays better when he gets to handle the ball a lot more.

I hear ya man. Hes still currently a really good player. I just find some guys never get injuries and others always have some weird injuries popping up. Blakes the latter not the former and guys like this dont approach 30 and magically become iron men.

Hes a great offensive talent. His handles are sick for a guy that size and hes working on his outside game as well the amazing passing. I still dont see him as the optimal fit next to Drummond. I'd like to see a defensive big next to Drummond. My dream was putting a young rookie like Jaren Jackson next to him who can defend the rim and shoot the 3.

My other problem with the deal is is how much better is Drummond/Blake than what DAJ/Blake currently show? Drummonds good but i mean come on its not like hes THAT much better then DAJ, DAJ is for sure better on D. Having double bigs in this guard dominated league taking all your cap doesnt work, look at the pels with 2 way better bigs. I look at the clippers roster with sweet Lou and company and think its better currently then what the pistons are trading to become. I just cant stomach a trade that puts us on par with a 9th seed west team when were currently in 9th in the east a weaker conference.

I hope Blake works out and becomes a top 10 nba player through the contract. Hes getting paid like it. I just see it as SVG forcing a move because he needs to save his job. He was on the hot seat. I mean look the Thunder wouldnt give up PG13 who could leave for Blake and they got Westbrook. I just feel like SVG made this move because he was going to get canned and if it doesnt work out he wont be here to deal with, let the next guy figure it out. If the pistons were say the rapts/celtics/cavs style eastern team id get going for this guy to try to make a run. Were just picking him up to make the playoffs makes no sense to me.

I think the fit is actually better with Drummond. Drummond also being able to do more on offense than DJ means Blake isn't expected to pick and pop so much probably. Drummond himself has emerged as a very good passer. So having two bigs with that passing ability+mobility will be awesome. Especially on the fast break or PNR. Drummond and DJ are super different TBH. DJ has fallen off a cliff on defense the last two years from DPOY worthy, to a net negative protecting the rim. I think last time I saw teams shoot an insane 57% at the rim vs DJ or something. Drummond has more upside if he ever reaches it. I don't expect Blake to be top 10 all the time, I just meant for little 20-30 game spurts he will play like an MVP caliber player. The last few weeks luckily he's gone away from so many 3 pointers and gone in the paint a bit more.

Blake's problems are all mental. He can do anything on the court (poor man's Lebron basically), but he is way too passive sometimes. He's willing to defer to guys who quite frankly don't even belong in the NBA. He's tough at times and fiery, but he can also be soft. Where if long teams cause him problems (like say Rudy Gobert) he will flat out refuse to go in the paint and just jack up a bunch of long range shots. His turnovers also when he tries to dribble a bit too much can be annoying.

Overall though if he can muster 60-70 games per season the next 3 or 4 years, I feel like he will help you guys a lot. In fact I'm actually pissed because I think the Pistons may go on a run and make the draft pick 15-20 range, which isn't going to lead to a good player most likely. So basically Clippers will be lucky to draft even a role player from that pick.

Blake averaged 21/7/8 in January after returning from injury Dec 29th. That was only on 13.5 shots per game BTW (way low for a player of his caliber). This was largely because he was playing a bit passive and trying to be more of a playmaker. Ideally his FG's per game are at 17-18 ish and you have a guy who's good for 24 ppg at that rate. Problem is it's hard to make him attack more because he is too unselfish. I hope SVG yells at him a lot to attack more, because when he attacks the paint he's unstoppable.

I'm curious about what Clippers fans think about Blake's athleticism. Do you guys feel like he's legitimatey declined a lot athletically or is the explosion still there but he's shifted his style because of the toll his old style of play causes?

MrBigShot wrote:I'm curious about what Clippers fans think about Blake's athleticism. Do you guys feel like he's legitimatey declined a lot athletically or is the explosion still there but he's shifted his style because of the toll his old style of play causes?

Mix. He definitely isn't rookie Blake but last year he had that poster on Gobert and shows flashes. He HAS also admitted he purposely doesn't try to dunk on people so much now to preserve his body better long term. Sometimes he barely clears the rim and its weird.

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Blake averaged 21/7/8 in January after returning from injury Dec 29th. That was only on 13.5 shots per game BTW (way low for a player of his caliber). This was largely because he was playing a bit passive and trying to be more of a playmaker. Ideally his FG's per game are at 17-18 ish and you have a guy who's good for 24 ppg at that rate. Problem is it's hard to make him attack more because he is too unselfish. I hope SVG yells at him a lot to attack more, because when he attacks the paint he's unstoppable.

Hopefully, SVG is pretty go at making guys have career years and what not. Plus He's all about attacking that's what he wants Reggie Jackson to do constantly attack and get in the paint. I wouldn't be surprised if Griffins 3pt shot attempts go down.

mattao313 wrote:

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Blake averaged 21/7/8 in January after returning from injury Dec 29th. That was only on 13.5 shots per game BTW (way low for a player of his caliber). This was largely because he was playing a bit passive and trying to be more of a playmaker. Ideally his FG's per game are at 17-18 ish and you have a guy who's good for 24 ppg at that rate. Problem is it's hard to make him attack more because he is too unselfish. I hope SVG yells at him a lot to attack more, because when he attacks the paint he's unstoppable.

Hopefully, SVG is pretty go at making guys have career years and what not. Plus He's all about attacking that's what he wants Reggie Jackson to do constantly attack and get in the paint. I wouldn't be surprised if Griffins 3pt shot attempts go down.

I predict he will finish this season really strong.

Late to the party but I am glad the Clippers traded B.G. Obviously I wish they would have gotten more in return but I didn't even want them to resign him in the off-season. Hopefully the Clippers can trade D.J. before the trade deadline too.

Trade is looking better for the clippers

draftbarnes wrote:Trade is looking better for the clippers

Welcome to about 2 weeks after the trade went through

BDM22 wrote:

draftbarnes wrote:Trade is looking better for the clippers

Welcome to about 2 weeks after the trade went through

I thought LAC won this deal as soon as it happened. Because Jerry West knows what he's doing.

Oh my god. I saw on the recent posts: Woj: Griffin and my heart leapt because I thought we'd traded him.

Thank you for that.

For the record, I thought the trade was a calamity the for the Pistons the moment it happened. And I still wasn't pessimistic enough.