Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

[InFlames]

Magic lose by how much tonight?

We win by 1 trillion.

[OrlChamps2030]

There is business side of basketball that people simply overlook.
Lot of teams and their menagments are not even all that into winning championship but into making money. Maybe i should re phrase it, it's oportunity cost, going all in for a chip costs a lot ,and you need to have huge returning value to make it profitable , both long and short term.
That's why nobody nose-dives into repetitive luxury tax. Ever.

In 2017 it was reported that Magic were one of 14 teams that lost money.

If Magic today trade Vučević, Gordon and Evan ( just for sake of this argument ) for picks, their ticketsall will sink, and season ticket holders will be maaad. It will mean that arena is half empty or that ticket sales will be down to make arena full but it will take big hit on whole brand as merch sell ,both international and national will sink as well.
With shrinking attendence and merch ,tv viewership will go down as well. it's chain reaction.

76ers have one of bigger markets in whole league, yet during their rebuild years they were dead last in 2 of 3 years in home attendence. Lot of teams can't afford that type of rebulid from financial perspective especially because it might never pay out.


As i said on start of my post, people overlook business side of sports, where lot of you see people in jerseys, in reality, behind sports there are people in suit ,that you never heard of that pull all the strings. In general whenever you have money, you have some sort of corruption going on ( just go and read files from Kawhi Leonard's sport agency ).

Pepe, with all due respect a lot of this is “fundamentally” correct in regards to sports teams but Orlando just isn’t really a traditional city. There aren’t many magic fans at all. Most attend the games on business, while visiting Disney from Brasil or the UK, because they are giving away tickets, to watch teams from their home town, to watch the best opposing players, etc. Hospitality/tourism industry keep the arena filled, not the product on the court

No one in Orlando is going to games to watch Nik Vucevic. No one in the city of Orlando would bat an eye if Vucevic was traded for a 2022 protected top 55 second round pick. Other than the kids who work at Ross and have to load all of his jerseys into the clearance racks next to the Dwight Howard jerseys they are still trying to sell

[WeAreVenom]

Magic lose by how much tonight?

I actually think we'll beat the Clippers, unfortunately.

[Skin]

Except this is actually a great example of the side of his development you refuse to consider while he's coming off the bench as a rookie. Not being gifted minutes and a starting role is humbling and it makes him hungry... it also puts him in better position to succeed since he gets a healthy dose of playing against equal to lesser talent while adjusting to the NBA... he got to stay in the game beyond his usual bench slot because he was playing well and got rewarded for it. He's learning what it takes. Building good habits. There's another quote where he mentions wanting to prove to cliff he can rely on him. This is the only phase of his development where he gets to learn these lessons. Once you put him in the starting lineup and force feed him there's no going back. This is what proper development looks like for a player like Bamba.

Meh, I'd feed him to the dawgs. Bamba knows how to say the right things, so that's why you hear this.

He doesn't need to be coddled. Put him in the SL and force feed him and not only will he learn what it takes, but he'll progress faster. He should be getting 30 mpg and 14 FGA/gm so he can compete for ROY.

This is a joke, right? Bamba has no shot at ROY even if he plays 40 MPG.

Not a joke. He needs to compete for it even if he won't win it.

[Skin]

There is business side of basketball that people simply overlook.
Lot of teams and their menagments are not even all that into winning championship but into making money. Maybe i should re phrase it, it's oportunity cost, going all in for a chip costs a lot ,and you need to have huge returning value to make it profitable , both long and short term.
That's why nobody nose-dives into repetitive luxury tax. Ever.

In 2017 it was reported that Magic were one of 14 teams that lost money.

If Magic today trade Vučević, Gordon and Evan ( just for sake of this argument ) for picks, their ticketsall will sink, and season ticket holders will be maaad. It will mean that arena is half empty or that ticket sales will be down to make arena full but it will take big hit on whole brand as merch sell ,both international and national will sink as well.
With shrinking attendence and merch ,tv viewership will go down as well. it's chain reaction.

76ers have one of bigger markets in whole league, yet during their rebuild years they were dead last in 2 of 3 years in home attendence. Lot of teams can't afford that type of rebulid from financial perspective especially because it might never pay out.


As i said on start of my post, people overlook business side of sports, where lot of you see people in jerseys, in reality, behind sports there are people in suit ,that you never heard of that pull all the strings. In general whenever you have money, you have some sort of corruption going on ( just go and read files from Kawhi Leonard's sport agency ).

Pepe, with all due respect a lot of this is “fundamentally” correct in regards to sports teams but Orlando just isn’t really a traditional city. There aren’t many magic fans at all. Most attend the games on business, while visiting Disney from Brasil or the UK, because they are giving away tickets, to watch teams from their home town, to watch the best opposing players, etc. Hospitality/tourism industry keep the arena filled, not the product on the court

No one in Orlando is going to games to watch Nik Vucevic. No one in the city of Orlando would bat an eye if Vucevic was traded for a 2022 protected top 55 second round pick. Other than the kids who work at Ross and have to load all of his jerseys into the clearance racks next to the Dwight Howard jerseys they are still trying to sell :lol:

[pepe1991]

There is business side of basketball that people simply overlook.
Lot of teams and their menagments are not even all that into winning championship but into making money. Maybe i should re phrase it, it's oportunity cost, going all in for a chip costs a lot ,and you need to have huge returning value to make it profitable , both long and short term.
That's why nobody nose-dives into repetitive luxury tax. Ever.

In 2017 it was reported that Magic were one of 14 teams that lost money.

If Magic today trade Vučević, Gordon and Evan ( just for sake of this argument ) for picks, their ticketsall will sink, and season ticket holders will be maaad. It will mean that arena is half empty or that ticket sales will be down to make arena full but it will take big hit on whole brand as merch sell ,both international and national will sink as well.
With shrinking attendence and merch ,tv viewership will go down as well. it's chain reaction.

76ers have one of bigger markets in whole league, yet during their rebuild years they were dead last in 2 of 3 years in home attendence. Lot of teams can't afford that type of rebulid from financial perspective especially because it might never pay out.


As i said on start of my post, people overlook business side of sports, where lot of you see people in jerseys, in reality, behind sports there are people in suit ,that you never heard of that pull all the strings. In general whenever you have money, you have some sort of corruption going on ( just go and read files from Kawhi Leonard's sport agency ).

Pepe, with all due respect a lot of this is “fundamentally” correct in regards to sports teams but Orlando just isn’t really a traditional city. There aren’t many magic fans at all. Most attend the games on business, while visiting Disney from Brasil or the UK, because they are giving away tickets, to watch teams from their home town, to watch the best opposing players, etc. Hospitality/tourism industry keep the arena filled, not the product on the court

No one in Orlando is going to games to watch Nik Vucevic. No one in the city of Orlando would bat an eye if Vucevic was traded for a 2022 protected top 55 second round pick. Other than the kids who work at Ross and have to load all of his jerseys into the clearance racks next to the Dwight Howard jerseys they are still trying to sell

I respect that, i know that "more Brasilian than US fans" is a running joke there and i don't think it's about Nikola Vučević per se, but about players who contribute to watchable product. Not sure how many casual or die hard fans will tune in ( especially on tv ) to watch 8-17 wins team.
Long term gain? IN past i was die hard tank fan, but now with adjusted lottery it's kind a awkward to just tank, you have with worst record most chance to draft 5th.

[Xatticus]

There is business side of basketball that people simply overlook.
Lot of teams and their menagments are not even all that into winning championship but into making money. Maybe i should re phrase it, it's oportunity cost, going all in for a chip costs a lot ,and you need to have huge returning value to make it profitable , both long and short term.
That's why nobody nose-dives into repetitive luxury tax. Ever.

In 2017 it was reported that Magic were one of 14 teams that lost money.

If Magic today trade Vučević, Gordon and Evan ( just for sake of this argument ) for picks, their ticketsall will sink, and season ticket holders will be maaad. It will mean that arena is half empty or that ticket sales will be down to make arena full but it will take big hit on whole brand as merch sell ,both international and national will sink as well.
With shrinking attendence and merch ,tv viewership will go down as well. it's chain reaction.

76ers have one of bigger markets in whole league, yet during their rebuild years they were dead last in 2 of 3 years in home attendence. Lot of teams can't afford that type of rebulid from financial perspective especially because it might never pay out.


As i said on start of my post, people overlook business side of sports, where lot of you see people in jerseys, in reality, behind sports there are people in suit ,that you never heard of that pull all the strings. In general whenever you have money, you have some sort of corruption going on ( just go and read files from Kawhi Leonard's sport agency ).

I don't know how much of a hit we would take on the financial side, but I have no doubts that this is a concern for Alex Martins. We know that our new front office came in under the stipulation that they retain Vogel and give him a fair chance to succeed. I can't help but wonder if his insistence on this cost us a shot at Doncic. How excited would our fan base be right now if we landed him? You could see how special he was going to be from a mile off, but we cocked it up per usual.

[pepe1991]

There is business side of basketball that people simply overlook.
Lot of teams and their menagments are not even all that into winning championship but into making money. Maybe i should re phrase it, it's oportunity cost, going all in for a chip costs a lot ,and you need to have huge returning value to make it profitable , both long and short term.
That's why nobody nose-dives into repetitive luxury tax. Ever.

In 2017 it was reported that Magic were one of 14 teams that lost money.

If Magic today trade Vučević, Gordon and Evan ( just for sake of this argument ) for picks, their ticketsall will sink, and season ticket holders will be maaad. It will mean that arena is half empty or that ticket sales will be down to make arena full but it will take big hit on whole brand as merch sell ,both international and national will sink as well.
With shrinking attendence and merch ,tv viewership will go down as well. it's chain reaction.

76ers have one of bigger markets in whole league, yet during their rebuild years they were dead last in 2 of 3 years in home attendence. Lot of teams can't afford that type of rebulid from financial perspective especially because it might never pay out.


As i said on start of my post, people overlook business side of sports, where lot of you see people in jerseys, in reality, behind sports there are people in suit ,that you never heard of that pull all the strings. In general whenever you have money, you have some sort of corruption going on ( just go and read files from Kawhi Leonard's sport agency ).

I don't know how much of a hit we would take on the financial side, but I have no doubts that this is a concern for Alex Martins. We know that our new front office came in under the stipulation that they retain Vogel and give him a fair chance to succeed. I can't help but wonder if his insistence on this cost us a shot at Doncic. How excited would our fan base be right now if we landed him? You could see how special he was going to be from a mile off, but we cocked it up per usual.

Indeed.

Last year was same story, 2 extra wins was difference between 2# pick ( Lakers ) and Magic .

[NickAnderson]

I forgot we had Channing Frye before lol

[NickAnderson]

They’re messing with the score again

[Nemesis21]

Vuc, Simmons and OKC pick for Gortat and Beverley. Re-sign both. Draft Barrett/Reddish/Langford.

This is actually not that bad.

I'd probably rather have Teodosic than Beverly though. Getting a natural passer in charge of this offense would be great for the young front court guys.

Vuc, Simmons, Fournier, OKC pick for Gortat, Teodosic and Bradley

[OrlChamps2030]

There is business side of basketball that people simply overlook.
Lot of teams and their menagments are not even all that into winning championship but into making money. Maybe i should re phrase it, it's oportunity cost, going all in for a chip costs a lot ,and you need to have huge returning value to make it profitable , both long and short term.
That's why nobody nose-dives into repetitive luxury tax. Ever.

In 2017 it was reported that Magic were one of 14 teams that lost money.

If Magic today trade Vučević, Gordon and Evan ( just for sake of this argument ) for picks, their ticketsall will sink, and season ticket holders will be maaad. It will mean that arena is half empty or that ticket sales will be down to make arena full but it will take big hit on whole brand as merch sell ,both international and national will sink as well.
With shrinking attendence and merch ,tv viewership will go down as well. it's chain reaction.

76ers have one of bigger markets in whole league, yet during their rebuild years they were dead last in 2 of 3 years in home attendence. Lot of teams can't afford that type of rebulid from financial perspective especially because it might never pay out.


As i said on start of my post, people overlook business side of sports, where lot of you see people in jerseys, in reality, behind sports there are people in suit ,that you never heard of that pull all the strings. In general whenever you have money, you have some sort of corruption going on ( just go and read files from Kawhi Leonard's sport agency ).

Pepe, with all due respect a lot of this is “fundamentally” correct in regards to sports teams but Orlando just isn’t really a traditional city. There aren’t many magic fans at all. Most attend the games on business, while visiting Disney from Brasil or the UK, because they are giving away tickets, to watch teams from their home town, to watch the best opposing players, etc. Hospitality/tourism industry keep the arena filled, not the product on the court

No one in Orlando is going to games to watch Nik Vucevic. No one in the city of Orlando would bat an eye if Vucevic was traded for a 2022 protected top 55 second round pick. Other than the kids who work at Ross and have to load all of his jerseys into the clearance racks next to the Dwight Howard jerseys they are still trying to sell

I respect that, i know that "more Brasilian than US fans" is a running joke there and i don't think it's about Nikola Vučević per se, but about players who contribute to watchable product. Not sure how many casual or die hard fans will tune in ( especially on tv ) to watch 8-17 wins team.
Long term gain? IN past i was die hard tank fan, but now with adjusted lottery it's kind a awkward to just tank, you have with worst record most chance to draft 5th.

I can respect that but I don’t think people realistically expect us to go full Philly

[Skin]

Don't care about the loss, but letting Vuc, Evan, DJ and Ross lead our team in FGA....

Thanks Clifford... Great night for developing our young players!

[pepe1991]

Don't care about the loss, but letting Vuc, Evan, DJ and Ross lead our team in FGA....

Thanks Clifford... Great night for developing our young players!

Who Evan, Vuc and DJ held back last night ?
Gordon who got smoked by Harris and gave up on a game in 4th min of first quater after he picked up second foul.
Isaac who took 3 outside bricks, jumped for first ball in whole game and rolled ankle.
Iwundu who played 31 min but refuses to shoot , knowing how terrible he is at.
Bamba, who shot ball 6 times in 20 min and 3 of 6 shots were 3 , witch means that for a season now over 40% of all his shots are 3 point attemps. How can you blame coach for having rookie who has 8 foot wingspan yet refuses to play inside paint ,refuses to post up and just shoots mid range and 3 point shots ?
Clippers commentary team was mocking him saying " so he can shoot, but can he make shots" .


I didn't even want Clifford, but it does not matter is Clifford or Nurse or Messina or whoever was candidate Magic coach, as long as team has no talent.
Every year only Magic players who play hard that year are ones who are FAs later, this year it's Vučević, last year it was Gordon, year before Evan...

Lot of people say that Magic don't play youth, and that's simply false, only difference between Magic youth and youth of some of other teams is fact that Magic young players simply don't look like nba players.

[Skin]

Don't care about the loss, but letting Vuc, Evan, DJ and Ross lead our team in FGA....

Thanks Clifford... Great night for developing our young players!

Who Evan, Vuc and DJ held back last night ?
Gordon who got smoked by Harris and gave up on a game in 4th min of first quater after he picked up second foul.
Isaac who took 3 outside bricks, jumped for first ball in whole game and rolled ankle.
Iwundu who played 31 min but refuses to shoot , knowing how terrible he is at.
Bamba, who shot ball 6 times in 20 min and 3 of 6 shots were 3 , witch means that for a season now over 40% of all his shots are 3 point attemps. How can you blame coach for having rookie who has 8 foot wingspan yet refuses to play inside paint ,refuses to post up and just shoots mid range and 3 point shots ?
Clippers commentary team was mocking him saying " so he can shoot, but can he make shots" .


I didn't even want Clifford, but it does not matter is Clifford or Nurse or Messina or whoever was candidate Magic coach, as long as team has no talent.
Every year only Magic players who play hard that year are ones who are FAs later, this year it's Vučević, last year it was Gordon, year before Evan...

Lot of people say that Magic don't play youth, and that's simply false, only difference between Magic youth and youth of some of other teams is fact that Magic young players simply don't look like nba players.

So what? Play em anyways. That's part of giving them a long leash. Losing while letting Vuc, Evan, and DJ take all the shots does absolutely nothing. If we lose and the young guys look bad, that is totally forgivable. At least they are learning and the team is showing confidence in them.

You keep saying our young guys have no talent. I'm really going to hold that against you if Isaac and Bamba become studs one day.

[trebone]

If we are going to lose anyway Id rather we lose while allowing the young guys get the most minutes, whats the point of Evan and Vuc losing games for us?

[fklt]

for all the people who say we should play gordon, isaac and bamba together because they're our future, instead of vuc and fournier. I'd agree in premise, but sadly BIG is not the future either. management is throwing **** at the wall to see which one will stick.

[Optimus_Steel]

Guys keep this in mind, Indy's best player is clearly Dipo, but who is their second best player? It's Sabonis. Glad to see we continue to be the NBA's best charity. Years of making other teams better.

[pepe1991]

for all the people who say we should play gordon, isaac and bamba together because they're our future, instead of vuc and fournier. I'd agree in premise, but sadly BIG is not the future either. management is throwing **** at the wall to see which one will stick.

It just takes pair of functional semi funcional eyes and basics of basketball to figure 3 stiff offensive players who can't handle pass or make good decisions with ball on consistent bases can't play together.

Matter of fact i'm not sure any combination of two of three of them can co -exist. Terrible fits.

[Optimus_Steel]

for all the people who say we should play gordon, isaac and bamba together because they're our future, instead of vuc and fournier. I'd agree in premise, but sadly BIG is not the future either. management is throwing **** at the wall to see which one will stick.

It just takes pair of functional semi funcional eyes and basics of basketball to figure 3 stiff offensive players who can't handle pass or make good decisions with ball on consistent bases can't play together.

Matter of fact i'm not sure any combination of two of three of them can co -exist. Terrible fits.

I've been saying this since the summer. There is no way a frontcourt of offensive challenged players is gonna do anything worth a damm. Even before we drafted Bamba I was for trading AG. It's infuriating how this team has been built backwards. Everyone is scoring, shooting more and running, creating spacing and we keep drafting defensive projects with limited skill. BIG was all hype but no real substance, mostly wishful thinking because it's what we got, a desperate hope. This team is like the Neanthardal facing extinction.