MagicMatic wrote:npiper17 wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
Jazz aren’t in the playoffs without Mitchell.
Embiid and Simmons draw talent to go to a previously terrible situation in Philly.
DLO and Dinwiddie have a promising back court and it took them only 2 years.
KP doesn’t go to Dallas without Luka.
Tatum is essential for Boston right now.
Siakam was drafted in 2017 and is one of their best players now.
So no. It doesn’t take 5 years. These are just examples off the top of my head without any digging.
Embiid was drafted 5 years ago!
Jazz were a decent team before Mitchell (who by the way was picked outside the top 10 and haven’t tanked).
And besides that Utah, Philly and Brooklyn have no chance to win a title.
Dallas isn’t even in the playoffs in the West.
You could make an argument that Boston and Toronto are contenders but I would disagree with you.
If you think a team leaps into championship contention in 1-2 years by drafting one young player then you still think it’s the 1990s.
My original statement was that you NEED talent to put yourself in situations that make you competitive and relevant. Those players, in less than 5 years, were all drafted near the top of the lottery have made those franchises playoff quality / have brighter futures. You are now moving the goalposts. All of the players mentioned made those teams relevant in less time. It’s not even “championship” caliber we are talking about, because again the best players in the nba are likely going to be in the finals/ deep playoffs - Giannis, Durant, Harden, Curry, etc.
If you don’t believe those teams are where they are now because of the players I listed off the top of my head, and better for them, you are lying to yourself.
Your original statement was that ‘the NBA fluctuates very often’ due to young players coming into the league which simply isn’t true.
You also said building and developing which I took to mean building and developing towards a championship-calibre team because otherwise what are you building and developing towards?
I’m not moving goalposts. I’m responding to your direct quotes.