Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[Andrew McCeltic]

Does Harrell come with Bird rights?

[djFan71]

I had the same thoughts. But, what do you think Harrell gets next summer? Dude could conceivably get maxed (by the "it only takes one team" maxim). Jerry West probably realizes that's not a great idea. So, if he can get a good replacement for this year, and locked in at a lower (long term) cost, I could see him moving on. With Harrell and Harkless you got $17M to play with. Just off the top of my head, that gets you Myles Turner. Locked in for 3 more years at less than what Harrell could get.

Not saying Indy does that deal, but something in that vein could be what entices the Clips. It could be a Perk-type move, tho, regardless of who it brings back.

LA gets:
Tristan Thompson
Semi Ojeleye
Boston FRP

Cleveland gets:
Mo Harkless [bought out]
Robert Williams

Boston gets:
Harrell

LA banks on Thompson being a much better defender and that they’ll be able to re-sign him for significantly less. Semi also gives them 6 fouls against AD.

Cleveland gets a young prospect for Thompson.

Boston gets Harrell and can gamble on possibly re-signing him.

lol I know we are Cs fans but just ask yourself if you would do this as a clippers fan. I wouldn't trade Harrell for any of that and if I were thinking of trading him, it'd certainly be for a lottery pick! I don't think people really get how solid he is. He's also only 25. SMH come on now!

No fan would do it, but he's a UFA rental who you probably have to pay well north of $15M+/year this summer. That's the only reason the rumor even exists is how hard it could be to resign him. The trade market, if there is any, is not going to be overwhelming. TT would be a solid get for the Clips, though I think they would go for someone signed, otherwise what's the point? But for a rental, a first rounder, a prospect and a fringe rotation player is not a bad offer.

[djFan71]

Does Harrell come with Bird rights?

Big question is can we afford to use them even. If Hayward opts in, we're over the tax with Jaylen's extension:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/2020/

Obviously Gordon could opt out / resign at a lower rate, more years. Other moves could be made, etc. But, freeing up the amount of money that Harrell could command doesn't seem feasible unless we move someone Jayson $ or higher, or Hayward walks.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I had the same thoughts. But, what do you think Harrell gets next summer? Dude could conceivably get maxed (by the "it only takes one team" maxim). Jerry West probably realizes that's not a great idea. So, if he can get a good replacement for this year, and locked in at a lower (long term) cost, I could see him moving on. With Harrell and Harkless you got $17M to play with. Just off the top of my head, that gets you Myles Turner. Locked in for 3 more years at less than what Harrell could get.

Not saying Indy does that deal, but something in that vein could be what entices the Clips. It could be a Perk-type move, tho, regardless of who it brings back.

LA gets:
Tristan Thompson
Semi Ojeleye
Boston FRP

Cleveland gets:
Mo Harkless [bought out]
Robert Williams

Boston gets:
Harrell

LA banks on Thompson being a much better defender and that they’ll be able to re-sign him for significantly less. Semi also gives them 6 fouls against AD.

Cleveland gets a young prospect for Thompson.

Boston gets Harrell and can gamble on possibly re-signing him.

lol I know we are Cs fans but just ask yourself if you would do this as a clippers fan. I wouldn't trade Harrell for any of that and if I were thinking of trading him, it'd certainly be for a lottery pick! I don't think people really get how solid he is. He's also only 25. SMH come on now!

Im just spitballing— I said earlier that it feels like I’m missing something because I wouldn't deal him. But if Woj and Lowe are saying it, I wont dismiss it.

[Higgs Boston]

Clippers likely want to see what they can get for him because they can't keep him and his value is the highest right now, but if they don't get something really good then pretty sure they will not trade him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Haven’t seen much of Favours but can he defend ? especially the likes of Embiid ?

Favors is a great defender, but I'd be surprised to see him bought out.

[Andrew McCeltic]

How much better is Harrell than prime Kenneth Faried?

I'd say we have a better shot at Clint Capela, something like Kanter/Langford/Wanamaker (has to agree to a deal)/Javonte/1st - and that we could probably be negotiated up to include Grant Williams and/or Carsen..

[Floody100]

Haven’t seen much of Favours but can he defend ? especially the likes of Embiid ?

Favors is a great defender, but I'd be surprised to see him bought out.

I wonder if we should think about trading for him & adding a pick ?

[Ben-N1ce]

Spurs are rebuilding after two decades. Don't know if they have any cheap vets With playoff experience.

[Bleeding Green]

How much better is Harrell than prime Kenneth Faried?

I'd say we have a better shot at Clint Capela, something like Kanter/Langford/Wanamaker (has to agree to a deal)/Javonte/1st - and that we could probably be negotiated up to include Grant Williams and/or Carsen..

Robert Williams will be better than Clint Capela next year. You would give up four draft picks (three rookie and a first), to marginally improve the C position (maybe)? What do you do in the final five minutes of basketball games where Capela is unplayable?

[zoyathedestroya]

Annoying that our decision tree is so limited 'cos we didn't prep for a midseason trade during the offseason...

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[djFan71]

Annoying that our decision tree is so limited 'cos we didn't prep for a midseason trade during the offseason...

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You know I was with you all summer on this, but I'm starting to wonder if 2020 Lux tax was the reason. Jaylen's extension and Hayward staying puts us right there/over, depending on other moves and if Gordon does a longer/cheaper deal - which if he plays like he was pre-hand seems unlikely. Even if we had ballast, bringing someone back that makes Smart or more $ pushes us well into the tax if they're signed beyond this year.

Not that they wont pay lux tax, but unless there's a clear championship level upgrade, it may not be worth starting the clock.

[CelticsLV]

it sounds good what we're on pace to do but does anyone really feel safe going into the playoffs in a few months with Theis as our starting C? lets be real... we absolutely need a bigger body if we really want to contend this year.

i don't really like him but i'd be open to tristan thompson. though we wouldn't necessarily be able to make the salaries match

Why should Celtics need to match opponents? Why don't they just do their own thing and force opponents to match? Celtics have arguably the best 1-4 starting lineup in the NBA with Walker/Brown/Hayward/Tatum.

You guys talk like Thompson, Turner have shown to be some huge factors against big frontcourts when in reality Turner is a softie who gets constantly punked by guys like Embiid, Drummond. Thompson is a better rebounder than Theis but Theis can strech the floor, defend better and isn't gonna brick 50% of his FTs like Thompson. Enes Kanter has better rebounding numbers than Thompson. Better TRB%, ORB%, per36 rebounding. He just doesn't play as much.

I'm actually shocked how good Kanter's numbers look, especially on/off.

how did forcing our own opponents to match work the other night against philly and embiid?

look, I get what you're saying about Theis and Kanter but cmon.... let's be real. Unless we get some size, embiid and any other decently good offensive big man will eat us alive down the stretch and come playoff time for sure.

Doesn't help when Brad goes idiot mode with non-stop double teams despite Kanter doing well in 1v1 against Embiid.

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At the same time our strongest position **** the bed. Namely Brown and Tatum.

[zoyathedestroya]

Annoying that our decision tree is so limited 'cos we didn't prep for a midseason trade during the offseason...

Spoiler:

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You know I was with you all summer on this, but I'm starting to wonder if 2020 Lux tax was the reason. Jaylen's extension and Hayward staying puts us right there/over, depending on other moves and if Gordon does a longer/cheaper deal - which if he plays like he was pre-hand seems unlikely. Even if we had ballast, bringing someone back that makes Smart or more $ pushes us well into the tax if they're signed beyond this year.

Not that they wont pay lux tax, but unless there's a clear championship level upgrade, it may not be worth starting the clock.

When you sign Kemba, you can't waste the years he's signed, esp. the earlier seasons when they coincide with J's rookie contracts and his late prime years. We already did that with Horford although some circumstances were beyond our control. Gotta think contend now, luxury tax or not. It would've been nice to have the flexibility to make moves entering this season. I personally would do a rental for a chance at making the Finals. You can make moves to avoid tax later if need be.

It's probably 'cause FO didn't think we're close to contending without a top 5 player. I'm just tired of bridge years. Every season seems like a bridge year for us.

EDIT: Should've posted on trade thread, my bad.

[djFan71]

Annoying that our decision tree is so limited 'cos we didn't prep for a midseason trade during the offseason...

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

You know I was with you all summer on this, but I'm starting to wonder if 2020 Lux tax was the reason. Jaylen's extension and Hayward staying puts us right there/over, depending on other moves and if Gordon does a longer/cheaper deal - which if he plays like he was pre-hand seems unlikely. Even if we had ballast, bringing someone back that makes Smart or more $ pushes us well into the tax if they're signed beyond this year.

Not that they wont pay lux tax, but unless there's a clear championship level upgrade, it may not be worth starting the clock.

When you sign Kemba, you can't waste the years he's signed, esp. the earlier seasons when they coincide with J's rookie contracts and his late prime years. We already did that with Horford although some circumstances were beyond our control. Gotta think contend now, luxury tax or not. It would've been nice to have the flexibility to make moves entering this season. I personally would do a rental for a chance at making the Finals. You can make moves to avoid tax later if need be.

It's probably 'cause FO didn't think we're close to contending without a top 5 player. I'm just tired of bridge years. Every season seems like a bridge year for us.

EDIT: Should've posted on trade thread, my bad.

Voila! It's in the trade thread.

I agree, hate the bridge to nowhere years. It's why I didn't wanna do Kemba. If there's a move to surefire contend, sure lux tax. But that move's not really there, atm, imo. It's that grey area of a move that would really help but still not give us more than an injury/crazy luck kinda contending chance. Not sure they want to start the lux tax yet and may have seen that coming after signing Kemba, knowing Jaylen might extend, etc. I don't love it, but it could be why our brilliant cap gymnastics weren't instituted.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Unless the Clippers like LaMarcus Aldridge, I can't see a good Harrell deal out there where Boston can jump in and help facilitate with picks, and grab Harrell... Here's a list of player who could be available by the deadline, as their teams look to tank. It's a pretty meh list..

Blake Griffin - 3 years, $34 mil this year
Kevin Love - 4 years, $28.9 mil this year
Demar Derozan - 1 Year, $27.7 mil.
Andre Drummond - 1 Year, $27 mil
LaMarcus Aldridge - 2 years, $26 mi this year
Tristan Thompson - 1 Year, $18.5 mil.
Derrick Favors - 1 Year, $17.6 mil.
Andre Igodaula - 1 Year, $17.1 mil.
Marcus Morris - 1 Year, $15 mil.
Thaddeus Young - 3 Years, $12.9 mil.
Davis Bertans - 1 yr. $7 mil.

[Darth Celtic]

Haven’t seen much of Favours but can he defend ? especially the likes of Embiid ?

Favors is a great defender, but I'd be surprised to see him bought out.

I wonder if we should think about trading for him & adding a pick ?

he makes 17.6m a year. you want to trade smart for favors? he's only an option if bought out

[ILoveWalter]

LA gets:
Tristan Thompson
Semi Ojeleye
Boston FRP

Cleveland gets:
Mo Harkless [bought out]
Robert Williams

Boston gets:
Harrell

LA banks on Thompson being a much better defender and that they’ll be able to re-sign him for significantly less. Semi also gives them 6 fouls against AD.

Cleveland gets a young prospect for Thompson.

Boston gets Harrell and can gamble on possibly re-signing him.

lol I know we are Cs fans but just ask yourself if you would do this as a clippers fan. I wouldn't trade Harrell for any of that and if I were thinking of trading him, it'd certainly be for a lottery pick! I don't think people really get how solid he is. He's also only 25. SMH come on now!

No fan would do it, but he's a UFA rental who you probably have to pay well north of $15M+/year this summer. That's the only reason the rumor even exists is how hard it could be to resign him. The trade market, if there is any, is not going to be overwhelming. TT would be a solid get for the Clips, though I think they would go for someone signed, otherwise what's the point? But for a rental, a first rounder, a prospect and a fringe rotation player is not a bad offer.

I think if you are the clippers paying Harrell 15 or 20 million dollars isn't really something that concerns you as Harrell on a 4/80 deal being 25 years old and a 19/8 player who has shown to be a hard worker is something you could move. I believe luxury tax isn't calculated until the last day of the year so if they are concerned they would have until next trade deadline to trade him or find another way to move salary.

with how many picks they gave up for George, singing Harrell with the intent of moving him later for a pick or two may actually be their best avenue.

I also think if the clippers are dead set on moving Harrell now, they can probably do better than Tristan Thompson for a win-now replacement

[ILoveWalter]

Why should Celtics need to match opponents? Why don't they just do their own thing and force opponents to match? Celtics have arguably the best 1-4 starting lineup in the NBA with Walker/Brown/Hayward/Tatum.

You guys talk like Thompson, Turner have shown to be some huge factors against big frontcourts when in reality Turner is a softie who gets constantly punked by guys like Embiid, Drummond. Thompson is a better rebounder than Theis but Theis can strech the floor, defend better and isn't gonna brick 50% of his FTs like Thompson. Enes Kanter has better rebounding numbers than Thompson. Better TRB%, ORB%, per36 rebounding. He just doesn't play as much.

I'm actually shocked how good Kanter's numbers look, especially on/off.

how did forcing our own opponents to match work the other night against philly and embiid?

look, I get what you're saying about Theis and Kanter but cmon.... let's be real. Unless we get some size, embiid and any other decently good offensive big man will eat us alive down the stretch and come playoff time for sure.

Doesn't help when Brad goes idiot mode with non-stop double teams despite Kanter doing well in 1v1 against Embiid.

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At the same time our strongest position **** the bed. Namely Brown and Tatum.

I'm honestly not worried about Philly. I think in a 7 game series Brad would either find a way to limit Embiid or shut down everyone else to where a 30+ point Embiid performance isn't enough for them.

I worry more about teams we would face that would draw our bigs out (Milwaukee/Toronto) or teams that would pick and roll us to death (Miami/Brooklyn). I think we still have Philly's number and i think when they get to playoff basketball they will find it hard to score on without Butler to drive and Reddick to space the floor. I don't believe in Richardson at all.

[djFan71]

lol I know we are Cs fans but just ask yourself if you would do this as a clippers fan. I wouldn't trade Harrell for any of that and if I were thinking of trading him, it'd certainly be for a lottery pick! I don't think people really get how solid he is. He's also only 25. SMH come on now!

No fan would do it, but he's a UFA rental who you probably have to pay well north of $15M+/year this summer. That's the only reason the rumor even exists is how hard it could be to resign him. The trade market, if there is any, is not going to be overwhelming. TT would be a solid get for the Clips, though I think they would go for someone signed, otherwise what's the point? But for a rental, a first rounder, a prospect and a fringe rotation player is not a bad offer.

I think if you are the clippers paying Harrell 15 or 20 million dollars isn't really something that concerns you as Harrell on a 4/80 deal being 25 years old and a 19/8 player who has shown to be a hard worker is something you could move. I believe luxury tax isn't calculated until the last day of the year so if they are concerned they would have until next trade deadline to trade him or find another way to move salary.

with how many picks they gave up for George, singing Harrell with the intent of moving him later for a pick or two may actually be their best avenue.

I also think if the clippers are dead set on moving Harrell now, they can probably do better than Tristan Thompson for a win-now replacement

Agree with all of this. I really doubt anything comes of it.