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**The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two**

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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#781 » by TimberKat » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:25 pm

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wolves_89 wrote:I was happy with how KAT played smart and stayed under control in the Italy game, unfortunately against Angola he fell back into his worst habits. He made very poor choices and then lost his composure when he didn't like the refs calls (resulting a technical which also counts as a foul). I'm hoping Finch takes a more proactive approach to KAT this season and pulls him whenever he seems on the verge of spiraling out of control. It's usually pretty obvious when KAT is starting to lose it, so rather than waiting to see if he can self-correct just give him a stint on the bench.

I thought this was a good post, and that it might generate some interesting discussion.

Towns must be a very difficult player to coach. It’s not that he’s a bad guy, or he refuses to listen, or that he’s stupid, or that he doesn’t put in the work (you don’t get that skilled without a ton of work!). He just seems to be emotional and have issues with matching his role to his personal image of himself. He is also very sensitive about what everyone thinks about him, and for years, he’s heard that he’s just empty stats, who can’t get a team to the playoffs — and even when MIN makes the playoffs, other players get the credit, and people move the goal line and say he can’t get the team to the second round. I don’t think historically MIN did him any favors either, when the first half of his career his supporting cast was the wrong draft picks and tanking by February. I think he sees even more unfairness in that he doesn’t get the superstar calls from refs that his peers get. Then an emotional guy acts out, people dislike him more, and it just adds to the cycle.

I am hoping that having a national, positive focus on Ant will help Towns feel he isn’t playing under a spotlight. He may continue to not receive superstar calls, but he doesn’t have to carry the team every night. He is tremendously talented, and while he may not have the mentality (or position) to be a true #1, he could be one of the best #2’s in the entire NBA. I think he’s willing to accept that role (I give him credit for being so welcoming of Gobert), but Finch and Connelly are going to have to be very careful walking the line to not insult the sensitive Towns, if they want to get the most out of him. I agree a quick hook when you see him start to get emotional will save him from silly fouls, but they need to do it in a way that he doesn’t feel further penalized for (what he sees as), bad calls. There is a tremendous amount of value this team can get out of Towns if they play it right, and deal with his emotionalism correctly.

That is why we have Gobert and Naz as insurance. I agree with the quicker hook approach. At the same time, Towns needs to fix the calls himself - no extra arms / legs swing. He sometimes makes it look like a foul on him when there isn't. Often, he doesn't back off when he gets a call. Almost like trying to challenge the ref - I dare you to give me a second foul.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#782 » by minimus » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:31 pm

Rational and emotional = heart. That's why under pressure some people are much better than others. In simple words they show heart, passion through skills. Towns is not there (yet). There is a hope that he just isn't mature (yet). We all love Pat Beverley, but his season in MIN was his 10th year in NBA. Unfortunately after he signed supermax extension from that moment he is viewed through this lens as well.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#783 » by Klomp » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:57 pm

What ever happened to Karlito?! I feel like as corny as that was early in his career, it was a way for him to channel that energy into something not as disruptive on the court.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#784 » by younggunsmn » Wed Aug 30, 2023 12:22 am

We had a good thing going before we made the trade with finally finding a good defensive role for KAT in the high wall scheme, and we were a player or two away from making that into a great defense.

We subtracted a horrible defender in Russell and added two great defenders in Conley and Anderson since then.
I really wish we could have seen what that defense would have looked like.
Maybe we will see that for stretches this year when Gobert is on the bench, I sure hope so.

Adding Gobert took the pressure off KAT defensively, but it also ate into his offensive spacing and game big time.
We are going to look really good and really bad at times this year defensively depending on how the other team is shooting.
Denver's offense was actually a really good matchup scheme wise for our double big lineups.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#785 » by Klomp » Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:56 am

younggunsmn wrote:We had a good thing going before we made the trade with finally finding a good defensive role for KAT in the high wall scheme, and we were a player or two away from making that into a great defense.

Wasn't Vanderbilt spending most of his time as a POA defender?
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#786 » by younggunsmn » Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:47 pm

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younggunsmn wrote:We had a good thing going before we made the trade with finally finding a good defensive role for KAT in the high wall scheme, and we were a player or two away from making that into a great defense.

Wasn't Vanderbilt spending most of his time as a POA defender?


It varied by the player, Vanderbilt definitely took the bigger wings like Lebron/George, and Ant took on the role of POA defender at times, but it was largely Beverly's role against traditionally sized guards.
Otherwise Vanderbilt served as low man help a lot and he was very good at it.

One thing that was consistent was that D-Lo was hid off the ball at all times.
And he burned us a lot in the Memphis series with his complete lack of help defense and rebounding.

When we added Kyle Anderson in Free Agency before the Gobert trade, I think the point was to find a player who could function much like Vanderbilt defensively, but also be a much more versatile offensive player.
In a world with no Gobert trade, does that mean Vanderbilt's role would have been reduced?
Probably, especially once Kessler emerges as an option.
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Post#787 » by Klomp » Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:56 pm

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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#788 » by Calinks » Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:16 pm

Going back to some end of the season and playoff games last year, there are some really positive things to see from KAT.

He was huge in those play in games, we really would not have made it if he wasn't there and didn't step up big. We all want to give Ant all the credit but Towns definitely helped carry him when he needed it. He was also really good against the Lakers before that disastrous second half meltdown.



His defense on Jokic was solid. No he did not shut Jokic down, no one will, but he wasn't horrible. He actually did give him some issue and I liked Gobert being able to roam around the basket. We might have something there.

We also need to keep in mind Towns wasn't 100 percent, he was coming back from missing 50 games, you don't get into NBA shape in a few weeks.

There is a lot of room for him to improve with this roster of guys, particularly Mike Conely who he has had little play time with.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#789 » by minimus » Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:45 am

Conley is definitely an x-factor here. Because Mike is probably the best PG that Towna has had in past years. Not in terms of talent, but overall fit. DLo and Towns never clicked together, neither Towns and Rubio.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#790 » by Klomp » Sat Sep 30, 2023 2:50 pm

minimus wrote:Conley is definitely an x-factor here. Because Mike is probably the best PG that Towna has had in past years. Not in terms of talent, but overall fit. DLo and Towns never clicked together, neither Towns and Rubio.

It's easy to forget because I know he's up there in age, but he's up there in talent too.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#791 » by KGdaBom » Sun Oct 1, 2023 4:43 am

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minimus wrote:Conley is definitely an x-factor here. Because Mike is probably the best PG that Towna has had in past years. Not in terms of talent, but overall fit. DLo and Towns never clicked together, neither Towns and Rubio.

It's easy to forget because I know he's up there in age, but he's up there in talent too.

We all like Conley, but I just want to be a bit cautionary regarding him. He's another year older and he's far removed from the all star player or all star type player he was when younger. He seemed to go on a cocoon type rejuvenation (movie reference) when joining us last year that I don't know if we can count on this year.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#792 » by Klomp » Sun Oct 1, 2023 5:56 pm

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minimus wrote:Conley is definitely an x-factor here. Because Mike is probably the best PG that Towna has had in past years. Not in terms of talent, but overall fit. DLo and Towns never clicked together, neither Towns and Rubio.

It's easy to forget because I know he's up there in age, but he's up there in talent too.

We all like Conley, but I just want to be a bit cautionary regarding him. He's another year older and he's far removed from the all star player or all star type player he was when younger. He seemed to go on a cocoon type rejuvenation (movie reference) when joining us last year that I don't know if we can count on this year.

Well, he's less than three years removed from his all-star appearance. He averaged 16/6 that year and gave us 14/5 after the trade. It's not as much of a drop off as you'd think. Honestly, I'm personally not far away from entering Conley in the "best PG in franchise history" discussion.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#793 » by KGdaBom » Sun Oct 1, 2023 6:10 pm

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Klomp wrote:It's easy to forget because I know he's up there in age, but he's up there in talent too.

We all like Conley, but I just want to be a bit cautionary regarding him. He's another year older and he's far removed from the all star player or all star type player he was when younger. He seemed to go on a cocoon type rejuvenation (movie reference) when joining us last year that I don't know if we can count on this year.

Well, he's less than three years removed from his all-star appearance. He averaged 16/6 that year and gave us 14/5 after the trade. It's not as much of a drop off as you'd think. Honestly, I'm personally not far away from entering Conley in the "best PG in franchise history" discussion.

I mentioned the Cocoon style rejuvenation he had after joining us last year. I wouldn't count on him repeating that over a season at all. Cassell had the best PG season we ever had. Terrell Brandon was pretty good and Billups would have been the best PG in Franchise history if we hadn't let him walk for nothing.
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Post#794 » by Klomp » Sun Oct 1, 2023 6:27 pm

KGdaBom wrote:I mentioned the Cocoon style rejuvenation he had after joining us last year. I wouldn't count on him repeating that over a season at all. Cassell had the best PG season we ever had. Terrell Brandon was pretty good and Billups would have been the best PG in Franchise history if we hadn't let him walk for nothing.

And I think it had to do more with role than anything. I don't know that he's physically dropped off. Sam Cassell was here for his age 34/35 seasons (and played three years after he left Minnesota), so it's not like it can't be done.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#795 » by KGdaBom » Sun Oct 1, 2023 6:34 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:I mentioned the Cocoon style rejuvenation he had after joining us last year. I wouldn't count on him repeating that over a season at all. Cassell had the best PG season we ever had. Terrell Brandon was pretty good and Billups would have been the best PG in Franchise history if we hadn't let him walk for nothing.

And I think it had to do more with role than anything. I don't know that he's physically dropped off. Sam Cassell was here for his age 34/35 seasons (and played three years after he left Minnesota), so it's not like it can't be done.

Cassell was probably the least athletic PG in the NBA that first season with us. He was also probably the best PG in the NBA that year.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#796 » by Guest84 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 7:04 pm

Someone becoming a topic lately is Towns' mood/energy/lack of enthusiasm since media day. Is something brewing behind the scenes? Is he just shutting off towards the media due to how he got ridiculed over the summer for his comments?
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#797 » by wolves_89 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 7:11 pm

Guest84 wrote:Someone becoming a topic lately is Towns' mood/energy/lack of enthusiasm since media day. Is something brewing behind the scenes? Is he just shutting off towards the media due to how he got ridiculed over the summer for his comments?


My impression is that Towns is happy with the team and organization, he has just decided to do the bare minimum in terms of media engagement. The choice seems like a direct consequence of the coverage he got over the summer. In terms of basketball, I don't see any issues with Towns mood/energy/enthusiasm.
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Post#798 » by Klomp » Thu Oct 12, 2023 7:17 pm

Guest84 wrote:Someone becoming a topic lately is Towns' mood/energy/lack of enthusiasm since media day. Is something brewing behind the scenes? Is he just shutting off towards the media due to how he got ridiculed over the summer for his comments?

I think it's 95% this. We all know he overcorrects when coached about something. Just like he was told to move the ball late in the season and delivered the dud against Portland where he only had like 5 FGAs, he hears fans and media tell him that he talks too much and he overcorrects.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#800 » by shrink » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:53 pm

Maybe I have become as a paranoid of the national media as Towns now, but I felt like they were trying to trap him into saying something excessively positive, to ridicule him later. “Do you think the team will beat top competitors?” “Why do you consider yourself a top big man, like Embiid, Jokic and Giannis?” I thought Towns handled the questions very professionally.

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