NBA Trade Thread #12

[WindyCityBorn]

I think we know what they are planning to do with White. Not trade him this offseason.

Now should they? I agree they should see if they can get a couple 1sts, especially if they draft a guy who fills a similar role.

I fully expect Coby to have a good season next season, but I think that his numbers will be down a bit from his post-Zach levels as teams gameplan for him. As such, I don't think he'll cost as much as some here are speculating.

The problem is just cost. It’s also fit. He is poor defender as same Giddey. He needs to score like a superstar to make that poor defensive backcourt work.

Ideally we could replace Coby with a true #1 who isn't a defensive liability. So I don't disagree with you. The reality is that unless we luck into that guy in the draft or someone unexpected comes available via trade (which is why I'd love to get picks for Coby), we may have to make due. I'll be optimistic that, per my prior post, Coby comes at a reasonable cost, but at least we'll have a full season to see if his uptick is real or a mirage (but then we'll lose our trade value).

I hope it’s real. If scores an efficient 25 plus ppg and we win then he will have earned his contract. Him getting a cheaper contract for playing worse does absolutely nothing for us building a contender.

[Dez]

PG and #3 for Vuc, Williams, Ball works on Fanspo.

[Ccwatercraft]

PG and #3 for Vuc, Williams, Ball works on Fanspo.

I can't envision George returning to previous form, but I'll admit I maybe watched 3 of his games all year so maybe he just occasionally looks washed up. I'd still love to maybe trade future picks to teams like bklyn, okc for current picks. We need a couple cracks at it this draft if possible and some way to empty a roster spot or two.

Carter is the obvious choice, he needs to be filler in any deal we make. Or just waive waive/stretch if anybody with size comes along.

We keep throwing vuc out there for trades but smith/Collins isn't sexy. Maybe it's OK if we draft a C.

[Dez]

PG and #3 for Vuc, Williams, Ball works on Fanspo.

I can't envision George returning to previous form, but I'll admit I maybe watched 3 of his games all year so maybe he just occasionally looks washed up. I'd still love to maybe trade future picks to teams like bklyn, okc for current picks. We need a couple cracks at it this draft if possible and some way to empty a roster spot or two.

Carter is the obvious choice, he needs to be filler in any deal we make. Or just waive waive/stretch if anybody with size comes along.

We keep throwing vuc out there for trades but smith/Collins isn't sexy. Maybe it's OK if we draft a C.

It's more about getting the pick.

[Ccwatercraft]

PG and #3 for Vuc, Williams, Ball works on Fanspo.

I can't envision George returning to previous form, but I'll admit I maybe watched 3 of his games all year so maybe he just occasionally looks washed up. I'd still love to maybe trade future picks to teams like bklyn, okc for current picks. We need a couple cracks at it this draft if possible and some way to empty a roster spot or two.

Carter is the obvious choice, he needs to be filler in any deal we make. Or just waive waive/stretch if anybody with size comes along.

We keep throwing vuc out there for trades but smith/Collins isn't sexy. Maybe it's OK if we draft a C.

It's more about getting the pick.

It's 155 million for a pick.

If he's not 75-80% of young PG that's an overpay and ain't gonna happen, it destroys our flexibility until 2029. Hard no from me, and Insanely loud hard no fron ownership.

[WesPeace]

I wonder if it would be possible to trade Vucevic and our 2025 2nd rounder for lottery/mid 1st rounder?!

Coby would fetch a lottery 1st rounder almost for sure tho, but I would keep him for one more year with defensive scoring SF and defensive center.

Vuc ideal scenario trade - we would get out with our #12 pick SF Coward and via trade someone like Sorber for C spot in #13-20 range

Giddey, White, Coward, Buzelis, Sorber
That would be exciting core for next decade

[Infinity2152]

I wonder if it would be possible to trade Vucevic and our 2025 2nd rounder for lottery/mid 1st rounder?!

Coby would fetch a lottery 1st rounder almost for sure tho, but I would keep him for one more year with defensive scoring SF and defensive center.

Vuc ideal scenario trade - we would get out with our #12 pick SF Coward and via trade someone like Sorber for C spot in #13-20 range

Giddey, White, Coward, Buzelis, Sorber
That would be exciting core for next decade

Nobody but the Nets could absorb his contract in a straight trade for pick, and Nets have Claxton starting. Nets have all the power now, don't think they'll give up $20 mill cap space before free agency starts. Think if Vucevic gets traded this summer, it's to the Warriors.

[Dez]

I can't envision George returning to previous form, but I'll admit I maybe watched 3 of his games all year so maybe he just occasionally looks washed up. I'd still love to maybe trade future picks to teams like bklyn, okc for current picks. We need a couple cracks at it this draft if possible and some way to empty a roster spot or two.

Carter is the obvious choice, he needs to be filler in any deal we make. Or just waive waive/stretch if anybody with size comes along.

We keep throwing vuc out there for trades but smith/Collins isn't sexy. Maybe it's OK if we draft a C.

It's more about getting the pick.

It's 155 million for a pick.

If he's not 75-80% of young PG that's an overpay and ain't gonna happen, it destroys our flexibility until 2029. Hard no from me, and Insanely loud hard no fron ownership.

Our "flexibility" is useless when the team is bad, no free agent worth a damn is coming to Chicago.

The pick at least gives us a shot at drafting a difference maker.

[Infinity2152]

Way more good NBA players get traded and signed in free agency than get drafted every year. Much easier and more sure to trade for a star. That's where cap space and flexibility comes in. Get a guy like Desmond Bane in trade, you're VERY unlikely to draft a better player with a non top 3 pick. It's likely you don't get a better player with a top 3 pick.

2024 top 3: Zaccharie Risacher, Alex Sarr, Reed Sheppard None better than Bane
2023 top 3: Wemby, Brandon Miller, Scoot Henderson Wemby's the only one clearly better
2022 top 3: Banchero, Holgrem, Jabari Smith Jr. Banchero better, Holgrem maybe equal, Smith worse

Now consider all the top players traded the last three years: Lillard, Durant, Luka, AD, DeAaron Fox, Porzingas, Butler, Haliburton, Sabonis, Mikal Bridges, James Harden, Kyrie Irving off the top. Way more high end talent and you know exactly who the players are, they just cost more.

[Chi town]

Way more good NBA players get traded and signed in free agency than get drafted every year. Much easier and more sure to trade for a star. That's where cap space and flexibility comes in. Get a guy like Desmond Bane in trade, you're VERY unlikely to draft a better player with a non top 3 pick. It's likely you don't get a better player with a top 3 pick.

2024 top 3: Zaccharie Risacher, Alex Sarr, Reed Sheppard None better than Bane
2023 top 3: Wemby, Brandon Miller, Scoot Henderson Wemby's the only one clearly better
2022 top 3: Banchero, Holgrem, Jabari Smith Jr. Banchero better, Holgrem maybe equal, Smith worse

Now consider all the top players traded the last three years: Lillard, Durant, Luka, AD, DeAaron Fox, Porzingas, Butler, Haliburton, Sabonis, Mikal Bridges, James Harden, Kyrie Irving off the top. Way more high end talent and you know exactly who the players are, they just cost more.

Slow the roll… Bane is better than rookies… shocker. Of course he is. He’s an NBA vet and entered the league old.

I am intrigued with Bane and think he’s gettable. He’s tough and gritty and has lots of playoff experience. He’s smart and can really shoot it.

Bane Coby Giddey Buz gives you quite a bit of shooting scoring and playmaking. You could scatter those lineups with the bench and probably have something formidable.

The issue is price. 37M for Bane. You resign Giddey for 30M and Coby for 25M and you don’t have the space for your best player slot due to Pat’s 18M.

Bane helps us become the Pacers. Team that can win if the real contenders get injured. It’s similar to the Vuc trade but with a younger player that is actually nearly elite at the most important NBA skill… shooting 3s. This would be similar to Siakam trade for Pacers.

I may do this but it would come down to price.
Huerter expiring, Zo and POR pick?

In some ways it’s a salary dump for Grizz.

[Infinity2152]

Way more good NBA players get traded and signed in free agency than get drafted every year. Much easier and more sure to trade for a star. That's where cap space and flexibility comes in. Get a guy like Desmond Bane in trade, you're VERY unlikely to draft a better player with a non top 3 pick. It's likely you don't get a better player with a top 3 pick.

2024 top 3: Zaccharie Risacher, Alex Sarr, Reed Sheppard None better than Bane
2023 top 3: Wemby, Brandon Miller, Scoot Henderson Wemby's the only one clearly better
2022 top 3: Banchero, Holgrem, Jabari Smith Jr. Banchero better, Holgrem maybe equal, Smith worse

Now consider all the top players traded the last three years: Lillard, Durant, Luka, AD, DeAaron Fox, Porzingas, Butler, Haliburton, Sabonis, Mikal Bridges, James Harden, Kyrie Irving off the top. Way more high end talent and you know exactly who the players are, they just cost more.

Slow the roll… Bane is better than rookies… shocker. Of course he is. He’s an NBA vet and entered the league old.

I am intrigued with Bane and think he’s gettable. He’s tough and gritty and has lots of playoff experience. He’s smart and can really shoot it.

Bane Coby Giddey Buz gives you quite a bit of shooting scoring and playmaking. You could scatter those lineups with the bench and probably have something formidable.

The issue is price. 37M for Bane. You resign Giddey for 30M and Coby for 25M and you don’t have the space for your best player slot due to Pat’s 18M.

Bane helps us become the Pacers. Team that can win if the real contenders get injured. It’s similar to the Vuc trade but with a younger player that is actually nearly elite at the most important NBA skill… shooting 3s. This would be similar to Siakam trade for Pacers.

I may do this but it would come down to price.
Huerter expiring, Zo and POR pick?

In some ways it’s a salary dump for Grizz.

Are you looking at what actual contenders are paying their teams? This idea that'we're going to build some under the cap contending team is crazy. Pretty much every contending team will have 2-3 players making more than Giddey and Bane. Giddey may cap at $25 mill and if you trade for Bane, you're trading Coby. Bane's $37 mill pus Giddey at $25-$30 miil, we have plenty of money to add another player. Almost the entire roster is expiring, only Pat Will is long term and that's only $18 mill. Matas is on a rookie contract the next 3 years.

2025 Jayson Tatum makes $62 mill on a team with Brown at $57 mill. That's about Giddey and Bane put together just for Tatum. AD makes $58 mill plus Kyrie at $44 mill. Giannis makes $58.5 mill with Dame making $56 mill. These teams all have third and fourth players making big money too. Somehow they're winning teams. We need to be prepared to be over the cap when it's time to actually contend. Giidey and Bane is cheap for an All-Star backcourt. Compare to Darius Garland at $3.4 mill and Donovan Mitchell at $46.4. They have two other players making $20 mill plus.

The discussion was adding PG13 with $155 mill over 3 years left to add pick 3, which is probably another $10 mill a year. Plus we send other assets. So $60-$70 mill a year for the next 3 years for PG13 and the number 3 pick. What caliber of players could we have traded for with that money? Counting PG13 as worth little or nothing age 36-37. Bane was an example, listed at least 10 players traded the last three years I would prefer to most of the top 3-5 picks over the same period. Kyrie, Luka, Sabonis, Fox for sure, even with their contracts being much larger than rookie scale.

Wouldn't mind being the Pacers. They're one or two trades/draft picks away from being legit contenders. It's a process.

[kodo]

And even the Pacers roster cost is going to rise. They're at $171M now.
Nembhard goes from $2M -> $18M.
Mathurin needs a vet extension as his rookie scale runs out.
Hali + Siakam will be $100M combined on average long term.
Toppin will make $14M-$16M long term as a bench player.
McConnell will probably not be useful as he gets into his mid 30s but he's making $12M until 2029.

Pacers are one of the best playoff teams for financials, and they're still going 100% into the lux tax next year they are only $1.6M under tax this year, and Nembhard already has an $18M extension which takes them well over even with no other moves to get better.

[Infinity2152]

And even the Pacers roster cost is going to rise. They're at $171M now.
Nembhard goes from $2M -> $18M.
Mathurin needs a vet extension as his rookie scale runs out.
Hali + Siakam will be $100M combined on average long term.
Toppin will make $14M-$16M long term as a bench player.
McConnell will probably not be useful as he gets into his mid 30s but he's making $12M until 2029.

Pacers are one of the best playoff teams for financials, and they're still going 100% into the lux tax next year they are only $1.6M under tax this year, and Nembhard already has an $18M extension which takes them well over even with no other moves to get better.

This is what I'm talking about. If we're trying to project future moves/cap, the salary cap is a guideline, not a hard and fast thing we can expect to stay under at a point where we're actual contenders. I'd factor at least up to the tax as a minimum threshold for a contender. And that's minimum.

[Chi town]

Way more good NBA players get traded and signed in free agency than get drafted every year. Much easier and more sure to trade for a star. That's where cap space and flexibility comes in. Get a guy like Desmond Bane in trade, you're VERY unlikely to draft a better player with a non top 3 pick. It's likely you don't get a better player with a top 3 pick.

2024 top 3: Zaccharie Risacher, Alex Sarr, Reed Sheppard None better than Bane
2023 top 3: Wemby, Brandon Miller, Scoot Henderson Wemby's the only one clearly better
2022 top 3: Banchero, Holgrem, Jabari Smith Jr. Banchero better, Holgrem maybe equal, Smith worse

Now consider all the top players traded the last three years: Lillard, Durant, Luka, AD, DeAaron Fox, Porzingas, Butler, Haliburton, Sabonis, Mikal Bridges, James Harden, Kyrie Irving off the top. Way more high end talent and you know exactly who the players are, they just cost more.

Slow the roll… Bane is better than rookies… shocker. Of course he is. He’s an NBA vet and entered the league old.

I am intrigued with Bane and think he’s gettable. He’s tough and gritty and has lots of playoff experience. He’s smart and can really shoot it.

Bane Coby Giddey Buz gives you quite a bit of shooting scoring and playmaking. You could scatter those lineups with the bench and probably have something formidable.

The issue is price. 37M for Bane. You resign Giddey for 30M and Coby for 25M and you don’t have the space for your best player slot due to Pat’s 18M.

Bane helps us become the Pacers. Team that can win if the real contenders get injured. It’s similar to the Vuc trade but with a younger player that is actually nearly elite at the most important NBA skill… shooting 3s. This would be similar to Siakam trade for Pacers.

I may do this but it would come down to price.
Huerter expiring, Zo and POR pick?

In some ways it’s a salary dump for Grizz.

Are you looking at what actual contenders are paying their teams? This idea that'we're going to build some under the cap contending team is crazy. Pretty much every contending team will have 2-3 players making more than Giddey and Bane. Giddey may cap at $25 mill and if you trade for Bane, you're trading Coby. Bane's $37 mill pus Giddey at $25-$30 miil, we have plenty of money to add another player. Almost the entire roster is expiring, only Pat Will is long term and that's only $18 mill. Matas is on a rookie contract the next 3 years.

2025 Jayson Tatum makes $62 mill on a team with Brown at $57 mill. That's about Giddey and Bane put together just for Tatum. AD makes $58 mill plus Kyrie at $44 mill. Giannis makes $58.5 mill with Dame making $56 mill. These teams all have third and fourth players making big money too. Somehow they're winning teams. We need to be prepared to be over the cap when it's time to actually contend. Giidey and Bane is cheap for an All-Star backcourt. Compare to Darius Garland at $3.4 mill and Donovan Mitchell at $46.4. They have two other players making $20 mill plus.

The discussion was adding PG13 with $155 mill over 3 years left to add pick 3, which is probably another $10 mill a year. Plus we send other assets. So $60-$70 mill a year for the next 3 years for PG13 and the number 3 pick. What caliber of players could we have traded for with that money? Counting PG13 as worth little or nothing age 36-37. Bane was an example, listed at least 10 players traded the last three years I would prefer to most of the top 3-5 picks over the same period. Kyrie, Luka, Sabonis, Fox for sure, even with their contracts being much larger than rookie scale.

Wouldn't mind being the Pacers. They're one or two trades/draft picks away from being legit contenders. It's a process.

BOS has to sell. Bucks are washed. Teams with players making that much have a tight window with the 2nd apron or nothing left to fill out the roster. PG was an awful contract. We shall see about Jimmy.

Bane is overpaid at 37M. When Ja plays he’s a 3rd option and this past season only averaged 19ppg.

I’m fine with Bane if it’s a salary dump. Taking a gamble on a player like Mathurin may be the better play as he will sign way cheaper and probably cost the same asset.

[Chi town]

And even the Pacers roster cost is going to rise. They're at $171M now.
Nembhard goes from $2M -> $18M.
Mathurin needs a vet extension as his rookie scale runs out.
Hali + Siakam will be $100M combined on average long term.
Toppin will make $14M-$16M long term as a bench player.
McConnell will probably not be useful as he gets into his mid 30s but he's making $12M until 2029.

Pacers are one of the best playoff teams for financials, and they're still going 100% into the lux tax next year they are only $1.6M under tax this year, and Nembhard already has an $18M extension which takes them well over even with no other moves to get better.

They have to resign Turner. They won’t be able to keep Mathurin most likely. Even Jarace Walker could be moved.

[Infinity2152]

Slow the roll… Bane is better than rookies… shocker. Of course he is. He’s an NBA vet and entered the league old.

I am intrigued with Bane and think he’s gettable. He’s tough and gritty and has lots of playoff experience. He’s smart and can really shoot it.

Bane Coby Giddey Buz gives you quite a bit of shooting scoring and playmaking. You could scatter those lineups with the bench and probably have something formidable.

The issue is price. 37M for Bane. You resign Giddey for 30M and Coby for 25M and you don’t have the space for your best player slot due to Pat’s 18M.

Bane helps us become the Pacers. Team that can win if the real contenders get injured. It’s similar to the Vuc trade but with a younger player that is actually nearly elite at the most important NBA skill… shooting 3s. This would be similar to Siakam trade for Pacers.

I may do this but it would come down to price.
Huerter expiring, Zo and POR pick?

In some ways it’s a salary dump for Grizz.

Are you looking at what actual contenders are paying their teams? This idea that'we're going to build some under the cap contending team is crazy. Pretty much every contending team will have 2-3 players making more than Giddey and Bane. Giddey may cap at $25 mill and if you trade for Bane, you're trading Coby. Bane's $37 mill pus Giddey at $25-$30 miil, we have plenty of money to add another player. Almost the entire roster is expiring, only Pat Will is long term and that's only $18 mill. Matas is on a rookie contract the next 3 years.

2025 Jayson Tatum makes $62 mill on a team with Brown at $57 mill. That's about Giddey and Bane put together just for Tatum. AD makes $58 mill plus Kyrie at $44 mill. Giannis makes $58.5 mill with Dame making $56 mill. These teams all have third and fourth players making big money too. Somehow they're winning teams. We need to be prepared to be over the cap when it's time to actually contend. Giidey and Bane is cheap for an All-Star backcourt. Compare to Darius Garland at $3.4 mill and Donovan Mitchell at $46.4. They have two other players making $20 mill plus.

The discussion was adding PG13 with $155 mill over 3 years left to add pick 3, which is probably another $10 mill a year. Plus we send other assets. So $60-$70 mill a year for the next 3 years for PG13 and the number 3 pick. What caliber of players could we have traded for with that money? Counting PG13 as worth little or nothing age 36-37. Bane was an example, listed at least 10 players traded the last three years I would prefer to most of the top 3-5 picks over the same period. Kyrie, Luka, Sabonis, Fox for sure, even with their contracts being much larger than rookie scale.

Wouldn't mind being the Pacers. They're one or two trades/draft picks away from being legit contenders. It's a process.

BOS has to sell. Bucks are washed. Teams with players making that much have a tight window with the 2nd apron or nothing left to fill out the roster. PG was an awful contract. We shall see about Jimmy.

Bane is overpaid at 37M. When Ja plays he’s a 3rd option and this past season only averaged 19ppg.

I’m fine with Bane if it’s a salary dump. Taking a gamble on a player like Mathurin may be the better play as he will sign way cheaper and probably cost the same asset.

We could break down every contender and guess how they're going to get out of cap hell. Simple fact is, almost every contender is in the tax. And it's usually like that. Fact remains, teams still have to periodically do cap clearing moves, and half the moves I talked about happened just this season, so it's not like they're extraordinary.

Explain how Bane is overpaid at $37 mill. Yes, he scored 19 pts/gm ast year, he only averaged 32 minutes. He was above 20 the previous two seasons. Seems like every player must be overpaid. Coby's expected contract is $30-$40 mill and Bane is better. Market rate is not overpaid.

Per 36 he averaged 22 pts, 7 rebounds, 6 assists shooting 89% free throw, 39% from three at 60%TS. PER 17.9. VORP 2.9 Win Shares 6.5

With good defense DPBM .6

If Kuminga is worth $30-35 mill and Coby's worth $30-$40 mill, what is Bane worth?

[Chi town]

Are you looking at what actual contenders are paying their teams? This idea that'we're going to build some under the cap contending team is crazy. Pretty much every contending team will have 2-3 players making more than Giddey and Bane. Giddey may cap at $25 mill and if you trade for Bane, you're trading Coby. Bane's $37 mill pus Giddey at $25-$30 miil, we have plenty of money to add another player. Almost the entire roster is expiring, only Pat Will is long term and that's only $18 mill. Matas is on a rookie contract the next 3 years.

2025 Jayson Tatum makes $62 mill on a team with Brown at $57 mill. That's about Giddey and Bane put together just for Tatum. AD makes $58 mill plus Kyrie at $44 mill. Giannis makes $58.5 mill with Dame making $56 mill. These teams all have third and fourth players making big money too. Somehow they're winning teams. We need to be prepared to be over the cap when it's time to actually contend. Giidey and Bane is cheap for an All-Star backcourt. Compare to Darius Garland at $3.4 mill and Donovan Mitchell at $46.4. They have two other players making $20 mill plus.

The discussion was adding PG13 with $155 mill over 3 years left to add pick 3, which is probably another $10 mill a year. Plus we send other assets. So $60-$70 mill a year for the next 3 years for PG13 and the number 3 pick. What caliber of players could we have traded for with that money? Counting PG13 as worth little or nothing age 36-37. Bane was an example, listed at least 10 players traded the last three years I would prefer to most of the top 3-5 picks over the same period. Kyrie, Luka, Sabonis, Fox for sure, even with their contracts being much larger than rookie scale.

Wouldn't mind being the Pacers. They're one or two trades/draft picks away from being legit contenders. It's a process.

BOS has to sell. Bucks are washed. Teams with players making that much have a tight window with the 2nd apron or nothing left to fill out the roster. PG was an awful contract. We shall see about Jimmy.

Bane is overpaid at 37M. When Ja plays he’s a 3rd option and this past season only averaged 19ppg.

I’m fine with Bane if it’s a salary dump. Taking a gamble on a player like Mathurin may be the better play as he will sign way cheaper and probably cost the same asset.

We could break down every contender and guess how they're going to get out of cap hell. Simple fact is, almost every contender is in the tax. And it's usually like that. Fact remains, teams still have to periodically do cap clearing moves, and half the moves I talked about happened just this season, so it's not like they're extraordinary.

Explain how Bane is overpaid at $37 mill. Yes, he scored 19 pts/gm ast year, he only averaged 32 minutes. He was above 20 the previous two seasons. Seems like every player must be overpaid. Coby's expected contract is $30-$40 mill and Bane is better. Market rate is not overpaid.

Per 36 he averaged 22 pts, 7 rebounds, 6 assists shooting 89% free throw, 39% from three at 60%TS. PER 17.9. VORP 2.9 Win Shares 6.5

With good defense DPBM .6

If Kuminga is worth $30-35 mill and Coby's worth $30-$40 mill, what is Bane worth?

What Bane has going for him is a rising cap.

Coby and Kuminga have not signed for anything yet.
Dubs offered 5/150 and he turned it down.

Highly doubt Kuminga gets that.
Highly doubt Coby gets more than 30M.

If we were to get Bane for expirings and pick/s what do you think that team does next year? Assume Vuc gets shipped out and it’s Smith Collins at C.

That a top 6 playoff team?

[leo921]

I want to use Coby/Vuc to get us a high draft pick.

Cody/Vuc/12th pick for Nurkic (1yr/18m) Josh Green (2yrs/12-13mper) and 4th pick

Hornets have been very bad at picking talent and this trade gives them 2 20 pt scorers who can really help and lift that team.
Ball/White/Miller/Bridges/Vuc with Mark Williams/Salaun/Mann/12th pick and some vets can put them in the running for the playoffs for once.
Can let Vuc expire and resign White as they would have bird rights.

Bulls can have Nurkic as salary filler as hes an expiring, we have to eat Josh Green but he's at least a useful role player and the most importanly
we add a good young player. at 4 it would be either Edgecomb or Ace Bailey depending on what 76ers do. Either way a young locked in top talent to go with Giddy/Matas/4th pick and upcoming cap room. we might finally be building towards something.

[sco]

BOS has to sell. Bucks are washed. Teams with players making that much have a tight window with the 2nd apron or nothing left to fill out the roster. PG was an awful contract. We shall see about Jimmy.

Bane is overpaid at 37M. When Ja plays he’s a 3rd option and this past season only averaged 19ppg.

I’m fine with Bane if it’s a salary dump. Taking a gamble on a player like Mathurin may be the better play as he will sign way cheaper and probably cost the same asset.

We could break down every contender and guess how they're going to get out of cap hell. Simple fact is, almost every contender is in the tax. And it's usually like that. Fact remains, teams still have to periodically do cap clearing moves, and half the moves I talked about happened just this season, so it's not like they're extraordinary.

Explain how Bane is overpaid at $37 mill. Yes, he scored 19 pts/gm ast year, he only averaged 32 minutes. He was above 20 the previous two seasons. Seems like every player must be overpaid. Coby's expected contract is $30-$40 mill and Bane is better. Market rate is not overpaid.

Per 36 he averaged 22 pts, 7 rebounds, 6 assists shooting 89% free throw, 39% from three at 60%TS. PER 17.9. VORP 2.9 Win Shares 6.5

With good defense DPBM .6

If Kuminga is worth $30-35 mill and Coby's worth $30-$40 mill, what is Bane worth?

What Bane has going for him is a rising cap.

Coby and Kuminga have not signed for anything yet.
Dubs offered 5/150 and he turned it down.

Highly doubt Kuminga gets that.
Highly doubt Coby gets more than 30M.

If we were to get Bane for expirings and pick/s what do you think that team does next year? Assume Vuc gets shipped out and it’s Smith Collins at C.

That a top 6 playoff team?

The value of a guy like Bane over a guy like Coby to this team is huge IMO. He is an efficient 20 point scorer who is a decent defender. Coby is a streaky scorer who cannot defend. IMO, teams will/have learned how to stop Coby as a #1 option next season and his efficiency numbers fall meaningfully. I guess if we keep him, we should be able to sign him cheaper than most think.

[Infinity2152]

BOS has to sell. Bucks are washed. Teams with players making that much have a tight window with the 2nd apron or nothing left to fill out the roster. PG was an awful contract. We shall see about Jimmy.

Bane is overpaid at 37M. When Ja plays he’s a 3rd option and this past season only averaged 19ppg.

I’m fine with Bane if it’s a salary dump. Taking a gamble on a player like Mathurin may be the better play as he will sign way cheaper and probably cost the same asset.

We could break down every contender and guess how they're going to get out of cap hell. Simple fact is, almost every contender is in the tax. And it's usually like that. Fact remains, teams still have to periodically do cap clearing moves, and half the moves I talked about happened just this season, so it's not like they're extraordinary.

Explain how Bane is overpaid at $37 mill. Yes, he scored 19 pts/gm ast year, he only averaged 32 minutes. He was above 20 the previous two seasons. Seems like every player must be overpaid. Coby's expected contract is $30-$40 mill and Bane is better. Market rate is not overpaid.

Per 36 he averaged 22 pts, 7 rebounds, 6 assists shooting 89% free throw, 39% from three at 60%TS. PER 17.9. VORP 2.9 Win Shares 6.5

With good defense DPBM .6

If Kuminga is worth $30-35 mill and Coby's worth $30-$40 mill, what is Bane worth?

What Bane has going for him is a rising cap.

Coby and Kuminga have not signed for anything yet.
Dubs offered 5/150 and he turned it down.

Highly doubt Kuminga gets that.
Highly doubt Coby gets more than 30M.

If we were to get Bane for expirings and pick/s what do you think that team does next year? Assume Vuc gets shipped out and it’s Smith Collins at C.

That a top 6 playoff team?

I don't think it's nearly at the salary cap of most top 6 playoff teams. And not so much concerned about next year. Don't know if there's one single move that instantly makes us contenders next year. Doesn't mean we shouldn't get better. Giddey at $25 mill, Bane at $39 mill, Matas at $5.7 mill, Williams at $18 mill, Ball at $10 mill, Philips at $2.4 would be our salary commitments in 2026. That's 100.1 mill. Luxury tax is $187.8 next year, should be over $190 mill in 2026. That's over $90 mill less than what I said you should be prepared to pay for a contending team (up to luxury tax). No, I don't think our bargain team staying well under the tax is a legit playoff team.

As for what Kuminga and White will get, post some unbiased opinions of what they'll get, otherwise I'll go with the most common predictions for the purposes of this. In almost every scenario posted by outside sources, expected salary for both Coby and Kuminga is at least $30 mill. Might get a little less, might get a little more, but that's probably about their range.

Add $50-$70 mill for two free agents summer 2026 to the starters, guys like Aaron Gordon, Ayton, Fox, Porzingas, Tobias Harris, John Collins, we have plenty of space under the tax to fill out the bench. Do I think Giddey, Bane, Matas, Gordon, Porzingas could be a top 6 playoff team? Giddey, Bane, Matas, Tobias Harris, Ayton? Probably. Or add a $40-$60 mill superstar to the Giddey, Bane, Matas core.