Trade Idea Thread

ALL HAIL · Post #781 » by **ALL HAIL** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:19 am

Jordan Farmar for Mardy Collins.

SportsFan215 · Post #782 » by **SportsFan215** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:17 am

Clippers Get: Morrison/Amir/Fisher (Bought out and reutrns to Lakers)
Clippers Give: Baron/Thornton

Raptors Get: Baron/Thornton
Raptors Give: Calderon/Amir

Lakers Get: Calderon
Lakers Give: Morrison/Fisher

We get expirings for Baron, and get a ton of cap space for this offseason. We could then sign someone like Antonio Daniels to play PG for us.

clippermitch · Post #783 » by **clippermitch** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:05 am

No for the clips. We need to win this year or at least be competitive so we can get a legit FA to sign with us. Keep the team as is unless we can get a good young pg for baron. All we need is a solid PF that can score and defend. LeBron would be awesome but Rudy gay would work too.

Det the Threat · Post #784 » by **Det the Threat** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:34 am

clippermitch wrote:No for the clips. We need to win this year or at least be competitive so we can get a legit FA to sign with us. Keep the team as is unless we can get a good young pg for baron. All we need is a solid PF that can score and defend. LeBron would be awesome but Rudy gay would work too.

I doubt that being competitve this season makes any difference to Free Agents being interested in signing with us.
We'd still have Gordon and Griffin and the city of L.A. as attractions.

BTW: I don't ever see Lebron signing with us and competing with Kobe in one building. Wade(Gordon) and Bosh(Griffin) make no sense and after that there's a huge drop off in terms of long term talent, as those other FA's are pretty close to 30 or even older and that wouldn't fit next to Griffin/Gordon.

Therefore i wouldn't mind a deal like the one SportsFan suggested, cause it would get us out of Barons contract and we could add another solid player in the draft and maybe one or two vet guys for something around the MLE(those Mike Miller type of players), to build that team.

jgustav1 · Post #785 » by **jgustav1** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:32 pm

I don't like the trade with the Lakers at all, no need to give away two starters for a couple of expirings where we hope to do better in free agency. Both Davis and Thornton have struggled at times, but they are a lot better than Amir, Morrison and a bought out Fisher. If the Clippers trade Davis they could do so directly to the Raptors or Pacers for a better package than this. Calderon and Amir for Davis and Thornton would easily beat what they get in return from this deal.

No need for the Clippers to buy Fisher out as proposed in the trade, he is expiring and they would then have to start Telfair at PG and use Mardy Collins or another FA they would need to sign as the backup.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #786 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:50 am

what would you guys want for Baron Davis. We would be looking to move Jose and maybe a change of scenery would open up both players better. Jose is more half court like you guys play and we need someone to push the ball like Baron who can also add a little bit more defense.

Amir Johnson is not a throw in but if its something like Jose + Filler (Weems+POB, Evans, Banks) something like that and maybe Cash + a future second for Baron, is that something you would do?

Det the Threat · Post #787 » by **Det the Threat** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:05 pm

jgustav1 wrote:I don't like the trade with the Lakers at all, no need to give away two starters for a couple of expirings where we hope to do better in free agency. Both Davis and Thornton have struggled at times, but they are a lot better than Amir, Morrison and a bought out Fisher. If the Clippers trade Davis they could do so directly to the Raptors or Pacers for a better package than this. Calderon and Amir for Davis and Thornton would easily beat what they get in return from this deal.

No need for the Clippers to buy Fisher out as proposed in the trade, he is expiring and they would then have to start Telfair at PG and use Mardy Collins or another FA they would need to sign as the backup.

Trading Baron for Calderon makes no sense, cause Calderon's contract runs just as long as Baron's, but he's only a little cheaper.
And as Baron's a better player then Calderon(who i like to call the Zach Randolph of point guards), i'd rather just keep him then trade for the spaniard.

Therefore we either keep Baron and hope he's going to get consistant, or we're trading him and build that whole team around Griffin and Gordon right now.
And as i doubt that Baron's going to get better, it might be best trading him now, instead of keeping him and his long contract.

It obviously wouldn't have to be a deal for just expirings(though, i'm not sure if anyone would even give us that in return) but maybe for something like a TJ Ford + expiring filler.
We then would still have a solid pg till 2011, more cap flexibilty and the possibilty of brining in another pg(via draft or even trade), because of the savings on Baron's contract.

BTW: Sure, that deal would leave us with Mardy and Bassy at pg, but it would also give us quite some financial flexibility down the line.
And that's something i have in mind with trading Davis, who, to me, is not worth his contract and is someone you easily could be stuck with for the remainder of his contract, because of his inconsistant play and injuries.

To me, our team, as currently constructed, isn't more then a 35+ win team that might be able to make the playoffs, if everything falls in place, only to be whipped out in the first round by some of those other WC teams.
And that, to me, isn't what anybody should be shooting for and the biggest problem i see is the most important position in basketball, the pg position. We've got a guy there being paid superstar $, but playing like solid starter and nothing more. For all this money you should get Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Steve Nash or, heck, even Jason Kidd(don't look at his scoring) kind of production, but Baron's not been able to give us that and i've got quite some doubts if he'll ever be able to do so.

That's why i wouldn't mind dealing Davis, even if all we get in return are savings, cause that would help us down the line.
Other then that, we should also look to turn Camby's expiring into something usefull(picks/young talent), cause he won't re-sign with us(contenders will be after him) and some team looking to make a deep playoff run would surely be interested and offer us something nice at the deadline.

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:what would you guys want for Baron Davis. We would be looking to move Jose and maybe a change of scenery would open up both players better. Jose is more half court like you guys play and we need someone to push the ball like Baron who can also add a little bit more defense.

Amir Johnson is not a throw in but if its something like Jose + Filler (Weems+POB, Evans, Banks) something like that and maybe Cash + a future second for Baron, is that something you would do?

Trading Baron for Calderon makes no sense at all for the Clippers.
We'd save some money, but their contracts are just the same(lenght wise) and trading Baron should either upgrade our team(which wouldn't happen with Calderon) or save us money and especially years on the contract coming back.

So either there's a 3rd team involved, where Calderon's headed, or there's nothing to talk about.

SportsFan215 · Post #788 » by **SportsFan215** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:28 pm

I posted a similar deal on the trade board a few days ago, and it got positive responses from all teams, aside from one Hornets fan. So I changed it so Mayo would go to NOH, instead of EJ to give them some star power in return for CP3.

Clippers Get: Paul/Peterson/Songaila/Jaric
Clippers Give: Gordon/Camby/Baron/Thornton/'10 First (Unprotected)

We would get the best PG in the league, and a ton of 2011 expirings.

Raptors Get: Baron/Thornton
Raptors Give: Calderon/Amir

Grizzlies Get: Calderon/Gordon
Grizzlies Give: Mayo/Jaric

Hornets Get: Mayo/Amir/Camby/'10 First from LAC (Unprotected)
Hornets Give: Paul/Peterson/Songaila

donemilio21 · Post #789 » by **donemilio21** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:02 am

SportsFan215 wrote:I posted a similar deal on the trade board a few days ago, and it got positive responses from all teams, aside from one Hornets fan. So I changed it so Mayo would go to NOH, instead of EJ to give them some star power in return for CP3.

Clippers Get: Paul/Peterson/Songaila/Jaric
Clippers Give: Gordon/Camby/Baron/Thornton/'10 First (Unprotected)

We would get the best PG in the league, and a ton of 2011 expirings.

Raptors Get: Baron/Thornton
Raptors Give: Calderon/Amir

Grizzlies Get: Calderon/Gordon
Grizzlies Give: Mayo/Jaric

Hornets Get: Mayo/Amir/Camby/'10 First from LAC (Unprotected)
Hornets Give: Paul/Peterson/Songaila

Looks like a risky move for both Clippers and Hornets. Definitely good deal for raptors and memphis.

I also like to see Jaric coming back, if it means we get to see his wife on courtside :wink:

jgustav1 · Post #790 » by **jgustav1** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:54 pm

Det the Threat wrote:Trading Baron for Calderon makes no sense, cause Calderon's contract runs just as long as Baron's, but he's only a little cheaper.
And as Baron's a better player then Calderon(who i like to call the Zach Randolph of point guards), i'd rather just keep him then trade for the spaniard.

Therefore we either keep Baron and hope he's going to get consistant, or we're trading him and build that whole team around Griffin and Gordon right now.
And as i doubt that Baron's going to get better, it might be best trading him now, instead of keeping him and his long contract.

It obviously wouldn't have to be a deal for just expirings(though, i'm not sure if anyone would even give us that in return) but maybe for something like a TJ Ford + expiring filler.
We then would still have a solid pg till 2011, more cap flexibilty and the possibilty of brining in another pg(via draft or even trade), because of the savings on Baron's contract.

BTW: Sure, that deal would leave us with Mardy and Bassy at pg, but it would also give us quite some financial flexibility down the line.
And that's something i have in mind with trading Davis, who, to me, is not worth his contract and is someone you easily could be stuck with for the remainder of his contract, because of his inconsistant play and injuries.

To me, our team, as currently constructed, isn't more then a 35+ win team that might be able to make the playoffs, if everything falls in place, only to be whipped out in the first round by some of those other WC teams.
And that, to me, isn't what anybody should be shooting for and the biggest problem i see is the most important position in basketball, the pg position. We've got a guy there being paid superstar $, but playing like solid starter and nothing more. For all this money you should get Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Steve Nash or, heck, even Jason Kidd(don't look at his scoring) kind of production, but Baron's not been able to give us that and i've got quite some doubts if he'll ever be able to do so.

That's why i wouldn't mind dealing Davis, even if all we get in return are savings, cause that would help us down the line.
Other then that, we should also look to turn Camby's expiring into something usefull(picks/young talent), cause he won't re-sign with us(contenders will be after him) and some team looking to make a deep playoff run would surely be interested and offer us something nice at the deadline.

I don't think trading Davis is a good idea right now, too early to give up on the season, which is essentially what you are proposing. Sure, Davis isn't worth his contract, everyone knows that, but Calderon is cheaper by 4 million per season. I wasn't supporting the idea of trading for him, I just think moving Davis for him would beat the original trade with the Lakers. The Clippers may be able to draft an impact PG wth the Minny pick in 2012 that can replace him.

DETsteve007 · Post #791 » by **DETsteve007** » Tue Dec 1, 2009 8:10 pm

Clippers Get: Rip Hamilton

Pistons Get: Baron Davis

Just sayin.....

TheNewEra · Post #792 » by **TheNewEra** » Tue Dec 1, 2009 9:43 pm

I would like a trade right now to get a quality player using our spare parts a salary dump so to speak

Det the Threat · Post #793 » by **Det the Threat** » Thu Dec 3, 2009 12:33 pm

Assuming Blake's back healthy and the Sixers keep on losing, maybe this has a chance.

Camby, Thornton, 1st round pick(either our own, or that Wolves pick)

for

Igoudala, Brezec

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5307048

Our lineup:

Davis/Telfair
Gordon/Collins
Igoudala/Butler
Griffin/Smith
Kaman/Jordan

Thoughts?

Liqourish · Post #794 » by **Liqourish** » Thu Dec 3, 2009 6:16 pm

What would it take from the Pistons to get Kaman?

mhd · Post #795 » by **mhd** » Thu Dec 3, 2009 6:37 pm

WOuld you guys trade Camby+Minny's future 1st for Caron Butler?

Det the Threat · Post #796 » by **Det the Threat** » Thu Dec 3, 2009 7:27 pm

Liqourish wrote:What would it take from the Pistons to get Kaman?

I doubt that there'll be a trade of Kaman this season.

A couple of weeks ago i would've suggested something that nets you Kaman and Baron Davis(cap relief for us) for something centered around Stuckey and Prince, but with Prince being out and Baron playing well i doubt there'll happen something.

mhd wrote:WOuld you guys trade Camby+Minny's future 1st for Caron Butler?

No, i don't think we'll trade Minny's first, as that pick might be a high lottery pick in 2012.
Tough, i'd trade Camby and our own first round pick for Butler, if Griffin shows that he's healthy and ready to play.

Great · Post #797 » by **Great** » Thu Dec 3, 2009 8:43 pm

Kaman for Prince would be an excellent trade for both teams.

A winning attitude, a championship ring/experience, and defensive toughness the Clips could use.

If Griffin comes back healthy, they should pull that trigger.

Hooch20 · Post #798 » by **Hooch20** » Thu Dec 3, 2009 10:17 pm

mhd wrote:WOuld you guys trade Camby+Minny's future 1st for Caron Butler?

I don't think we'd give the pick up. I would do Camby and Thornton or Butler for Caron Butler though.

Det the Threat · Post #799 » by **Det the Threat** » Thu Dec 3, 2009 10:34 pm

Great wrote:Kaman for Prince would be an excellent trade for both teams.

A winning attitude, a championship ring/experience, and defensive toughness the Clips could use.

If Griffin comes back healthy, they should pull that trigger.

That winning attitude, championship ring/experience and defensive toughness mean nothing if that guy's injured and doesn't shows he's back to full strength.

One should also consider that a scoring big like Kaman is way more valuable then a sf like Prince, who's defense is good, but had quite some help by having Sheed and Wallace down low, which is something we wouldn't have.

Therefore, a Kaman/Prince swap might have been a possibility this summer, but it isn't this time around.

Great · Post #800 » by **Great** » Thu Dec 3, 2009 10:45 pm

Blake Griffin and Prince would have to be healthy to make this trade work.

Not sure Kaman is way more valuable. He puts up numbers, not sure how much of a leader or winner he is. When both are healthy not sure Kaman can impact a game more than Prince.

Then adding Prince's intangibles (on a team in need of intangible, the kind that fend off 4th qtr collapses) if all parties are healthy Clippers win this trade.