Arenas for Vince or dump Arenas for cap space?

[cdouglas]

Looks like the Arenas trade with Orlando could have legs again. Before the season starts, Arenas will no longer be in the Wiz uniform. A FACT!

[closg00]

I think Arenas for Curry makes a lot more sense at this juncture. NY is going to need a star like Arenas, and they'll have the cap room to absorb the salary differential. NY could start next season with Arenas, Amare and Lee (assuming they strike out with Lebron, Wade and Bosh).

If we trade for Curry, we save $6M instantly and owe nothing at all next year.

This is why I put Curry in the line-up prediction thread, NY will try to make a splash if they fail to land any other big FA target., Gilbert fits the bill and it's just the kind of move Knicks managment would make that will further enrage their fans after another bad draft.

[nate33]

If this happens, I wonder if Ted buys out Vince. Vince is owed $17.5M this year and $4M next year if he is cut. If he is cut next year, he would presumably turn around and sign a $5.5M MLE deal with somebody else. So basically, Vince is assured of getting $27M over the next two years.

If Ted buys Vince out, it has to make sense for Vince financially. Vince would presumably be able to sign a 2 year MLE deal somewhere, which totals $11M. That means he would want at least $16M from Washington this year in a buyout package.

What's better for the team? Pay $17.5M this year plus $4M next year for a one-year rental of Vince. Or should he be paid $16M just to not report to the team?

[eitanr]

I'd think if Washington could get Vince they'd play up his value and by Feb pull a Jamison and move him to a team looking for post season contention. NOH seems like a logical choice for Peja and perhaps some future picks etc.

[Brenice]

I notice alot of people on this board has harsh feelings toward Gilbert. COME ON!!! The guy has done alot for the community and now he's being bashed by fans, who once couldn't get enough of him and now want him to disappear.

Who is bashing Arenas?

I think a strong case can be made that it's better in the long term interests of the franchise to part ways with Arenas and go with a young, cheap, flexible roster. But that doesn't mean I think Arenas is a bad guy and can't still be a highly successful player in this league.

Nate

If it wasn't you, there is no need to comment on this. It may not be you but I saw a post by YUNGAL07 that clearly shows hard feelings toward Gil. It is happening. Just read back thru the thread and you will see some.

[nate33]

I'd think if Washington could get Vince they'd play up his value and by Feb pull a Jamison and move him to a team looking for post season contention. NOH seems like a logical choice for Peja and perhaps some future picks etc.

Yeah, that's probably a better idea. All they have to do is trade him for an expiring contract (with no $4M buyout) and they'd save almost as much as they would by buying him out at the beginning of the season.

Vince has a reputation of being somewhat mentally weak in pressure situations, but I've never heard that he's a particularly bad or lazy guy. Would he have a deleterious affect in the locker room?

[AceDegenerate]

Vince has a reputation of being somewhat mentally weak in pressure situations, but I've never heard that he's a particularly bad or lazy guy. Would he have a deleterious affect in the locker room?

So let's get this straight, there are 2 players. Player A spends late nights in the gym working on his game, spends summers playing as much basketball as possible, and is 5 years younger than Player B who is best known for giving 0 effort and quitting on his team, I've never heard of him working out nights or days or anytime on his game.

Player A is the Cancer who you don't want around your Franchise player? and Player B should be?

C'mon, If that's not hate then I don't know what is.

And the Big benefit of all of this madness to save money that will be better spent on what exactly? Overpaying other Free Agents? Bringing in bloated contracts and draft picks? I think OKC just proved what a sham this whole BOYD crap is. They had to take on almost nothing to move up in the draft while the Wizards paid through the nose. I wonder which team is run better.

[DCZards]

Vince has a reputation of being somewhat mentally weak in pressure situations, but I've never heard that he's a particularly bad or lazy guy. Would he have a deleterious affect in the locker room?

I never considered Vince a bad character. He took a lot of heat for wanting out of Toronto but pretty much every star (McGrady. Bosh) who played in Toronto couldn't get out soon enough. In fact, from what I can tell by his years with the Nets (alongside Kidd, Jefferson) and the past season with the Magic (where he reportedly helped Howard mature) it seems like the older, more grown-up Carter actually has a somewhat positive effect on his team and teammates.

But I don't like trading Arenas for Carter. Call me selfish, but as a partial Zard season ticketholder, I really want to see what a Arenas-Wall backcourt looks like. The two of them at the top of their games and playing with chemistry would be worth more than the price of admission.

[nate33]

Vince has a reputation of being somewhat mentally weak in pressure situations, but I've never heard that he's a particularly bad or lazy guy. Would he have a deleterious affect in the locker room?

So let's get this straight, there are 2 players. Player A spends late nights in the gym working on his game, spends summers playing as much basketball as possible, and is 5 years younger than Player B who is best known for giving 0 effort and quitting on his team, I've never heard of him working out nights or days or anytime on his game.

Player A is the Cancer who you don't want around your Franchise player? and Player B should be?

C'mon, If that's not hate then I don't know what is.

And the Big benefit of all of this madness to save money that will be better spent on what exactly? Overpaying other Free Agents? Bringing in bloated contracts and draft picks? I think OKC just proved what a sham this whole BOYD crap is. They had to take on almost nothing to move up in the draft while the Wizards paid through the nose. I wonder which team is run better.

WTF are you talking about? I'm actually contemplating PAYING $16M just to get rid of Carter because he might be a negative influence in the locker room.

And I've never considered Arenas a cancer. I consider him to be overpaid, 6 years older than the rest of our core, and too short to defend shooting guards. I think Arenas is fundamentally a good guy. There's no doubt in my mind that Arenas wouldn't cause any problems in our locker room.

[Brenice]

According to some, Wall needs to improve his ball-handling and can turnover the ball. Turnovers can be expected but need to be improved. There have been spurts where Gil has turned the ball over but he is a superior ball-handler. My point is this, I think Gil can help make the game easier for Wall and Wall can help make the game easier than Gil. In my opinion, they can share the ball-handling, not 50/50 when they are on the court together, but 40/60 Gil/Wall.

Who do you leave open? When the backcourt was Gil and DeShawn, you left open DeShawn and at one point, DeShawn was I can't feel my face 50/50 on 3's. Take Gil away and DeShawn turned into DeBrick 20/80. What will Wall look like playing next to Gil and what will Gil look like not playing next to DeShawn, but Wall? Could be a win/win situation for both. Could be.

[AceDegenerate]

Bottom line is this, Ted Leonsis is on record saying that Gilbert Arenas will play for this team next year.

If he is traded before the start of the season, it simply goes to show Ted for being a phony who would be better off to simply keep his mouth closed.

It would bother me even more for the owner to come out posturing one way, and operate another than the trade itself will.

[DCZards]

Bottom line is this, Ted Leonsis is on record saying that Gilbert Arenas will play for this team next year.

If he is traded before the start of the season, it simply goes to show Ted for being a phony who would be better off to simply keep his mouth closed.

It would bother me even more for the owner to come out posturing one way, and operate another than the trade itself will.

C'mon Krizko...it's a business. Leonsis may very well have been sincere when he said GA will play for the Zards next season. But you can't hold it against him if a trade comes along that's too good to refuse and GA is dealt. Ted has to do what's best for the team/franchise at that time, and not sweat what he may have said 2-3 months ago.

[queridiculo]

I think Arenas for Curry makes a lot more sense at this juncture. NY is going to need a star like Arenas, and they'll have the cap room to absorb the salary differential. NY could start next season with Arenas, Amare and Lee (assuming they strike out with Lebron, Wade and Bosh).

If we trade for Curry, we save $6M instantly and owe nothing at all next year.

Hmmm, good point.

The Knicks are SOOOOO screwed!



Never mind GIl, but they're going to have to do something loopy alright.



Love it.

In all of those scenarios that mentioned an Arenas departure I felt like the NY Knicks were a definite possibility. There's no way the Knicks are going to sit there like highschooler without a prom date while everyone around the league is throwing around max money having the time of their lives.

There is no savior they can look forward to, they don't have any talent to build around so what else are they left to do?

Arenas is a perfect fit for D'Antoni's wide open, 3 ball launching no defense approach and he's got the kind of persona that the NY media will eat up.

The question is, anybody think we'll be able to pry a 1st rounder from the Knicks

[fishercob]

Question. If the Wiz trade Gil to a team with the cap room to absorb his deal, do they generate a TPE in the process?

[Geaux Wiz]

No way. Why trade him when his value likely at his lowest? As long as Gil doesn't get injured or do anything boneheaded his value will only go up. If we are gonna trade him I'd rather trade him during the season where we don't have trade to a division rival and we don't need to receive Vince Carter

[queridiculo]

No way. Why trade him when his value likely at his lowest? As long as Gil doesn't get injured or do anything boneheaded his value will only go up. If we are gonna trade him I'd rather trade him during the season where we don't have trade to a division rival and we don't need to receive Vince Carter

The thing with Arenas is that while his value is depressed, it will never again reach the level were teams will either be willing to give up a major piece or offer much beyond salary cap relief.

He's in his late 20s and has a max deal with 4 years remaining. Those aren't typically the type of players that will fetch much around the league unless they're legit superstars.

I will forever remain a huge Arenas fan, but the writing is on the Wall (pardon the pun) - this franchise has already moved on.

If the Wizards can move him to the Knicks, or another team outside of the division that can offer salary relief Washington has to jump on the opportunity.

[JWizmentality]

Ugh, this thread again. Oh I see the wiretap regurgitated it's lunch. sigh....

[verbal8]

Question. If the Wiz trade Gil to a team with the cap room to absorb his deal, do they generate a TPE in the process?

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q70

A TPE applies if the team is over the salary cap. Even if the Wizards are a little over the salary cap, they will be under it if they dump Arenas for cap space.

[Hoopalotta]

From a value perspective, my view is that Gil's is really more contingent on external factors regarding the particular personnel options available to the big-money win-now clubs. If teams are in "We need to do something!" mode and they can't hit their first options, that might be about as high as the value is going to get.

If we're looking at Gil in those terms, we're more likely to get value indirectly out of the cap space.

[Dat2U]

Gil is as good as gone. It's just a matter of when & for who...

When the Hinrich trade was consummated, that was the writing on the wall.