Fantasy trade thread: new trade threads merged to here

SixersfutureGM · Post #81 » by **SixersfutureGM** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:14 pm

Sorry to change up the current topic going right now but I am doing some forward thinking and wondering what everyone thoughts are on Greg Oden. It seems like we only have the MLE to play with as all other teams so its unlikely we get him outright but maybe a sign and trade is possible with portland?

I am hearing conflicting reports that portland will or will not give him the qualfying offer so they keep his rights, the problem being his huge cap hold and his potential to sign it which will at a salary too rich for their blood. So assuming sign and trade is on the table, what kind of contract would you give him, and what would you trade to obtain him? Bare in mind, guys like Big Z and others that escape my mind have had early injuries problems to eventually become very productive.

My idea is offering the full MLE offer which I guess is 5 years, 30 million? The catch is there is a team option after the first year, dual player/team options for years 2 and 3, nothing in year 4 and a player option in year 5. Gives both sides some control and to elevulate some of the risk both sides are taking. The sixers can waive him after 1 year, but the following 2 years oden can opt out for a better deal (with us owning rights) or there is an agreed upon buyout. Year 4 and 5 are geared towards given oden control as he will be entering his late 20's.

My offer would be a s&t hawes, speights and our first for oden and cunningham. Thoughts?

sec-106 · Post #82 » by **sec-106** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:45 am

Not glamorous, but:

Varejao for Nocioni + 2011 #1.

Trade #5872378.

youngcrev · Post #83 » by **youngcrev** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:48 pm

sec-106 wrote:Not glamorous, but:

Varejao for Nocioni + 2011 #1.

Trade #5872378.

I think CLE could do better.

I wonder if that package + Speights would be enough for Kaman. I think Doug would be able to get a lot out of him.

First guy we should inquire about is Bogut though. He's had some injury problems, but I think he's exactly what we need at center. Turner-plus might do it if he wants out.

51X3RF4N · Post #84 » by **51X3RF4N** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:24 am

I would be looking to trade Turner. He just doesn't seem to fit with this team and he doesn't seem to be adjusting well to the NBA. I expected much more from a #2 overall selection. Where is his ability to get to the rim at will? Where are his handles and his mid-range game? I just don't see it.

Jrue is playing decently and should remain the PG IMO. Iggy is doing well in defensively from the SF spot. I appreciate Meeks but he isn't who I want starting at the SG spot.

I could hold the circular argument of being mediocre vs rebuilding or going for it all, but the team seems to be happy with its current direction.

I just think this offseason will be crucial. The draft won't be good for the Sixers unless they make moves. Turner would do well on another team where the PG maybe isn't as ball dominant or they are full of shooters at SG/SF and could use him to handle the rock more often and distribute. I really don't see him as a 20ppg scorer ever in the NBA.

The question is, who could Turner net the Sixers at this point?
I would trade him for JJ Hickson and Ramon Sessions. Would Clev do that?

freshie2 · Post #85 » by **freshie2** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:54 am

I still think Iguodala is moved, and not Turner. For as valuable as Iguodala is defensively/all around, I think Turner has similar traits and a better knack for scoring. Once he gets a summer in working on his perimeter game, I really think he's going to be fine, and should be starting next season. My biggest question is does he fit next to Jrue instead of Meeks, or is he a SF longer term?

If Turner brings you the best return, I'm not opposed to making that deal, but I think it ends up being Iguodala who gets moved.

Post #86 » by **Foshan** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:07 pm

Unless we are blown away by an Iguodala deal (which I hope we are simply because I love making fantasy trades), I think our best move is to move Lou, and let Jrue/Turner/Meeks/Iguodala be a 4 man rotation at the 1-3 spots.

I just think we get $hit for value if we try to move Turner now, and while I love Meeks, I'm not sold as him being any more than a long term place-holder, not really the guy i *want* to be starting every game.

Post #87 » by **The Guilty Party** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:16 pm

As it is now, the Kings (Royals) will have the 4th pick in this draft. There is a decent chance that Sullinger is in on the board at that point. The Kings will have enough salary flexibility to absorb a contract straight up in a trade for the #4 so my question is this... which would you rather do?

Iguodala for the #4
or
Turner for the #4

Either way, the Kings come away with a SF that fits in with their current squad.

Evans
Thornton
Iguodala/Turner
Cousins
Dalembert/Whiteside

freshie2 · Post #88 » by **freshie2** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:26 pm

Is Sullinger the Sixers target? I would do either if Sullinger is NBA legit (I'm not as high on him as others)...the kings may be a match for a Sixers deal (again) if they are willing to part ways with Thompson.

Post #89 » by **Foshan** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:37 pm

this is going to sound homer-tastic... but I really don't like much in this draft that I'd want to move Iggy for. Granted, Sac absorbing his salary makes it something you do... but not a big Sullinger fan (haven't seen him play too much tho...) This just strikes me as the type of draft where its such a wash in talent/upside after Irving, that the guy who slips because of a bad work out or whatever and goes at 5+ could easily be the 2nd best player taken.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #90 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:39 pm

If we traded Iguodala for a top five pick my guess is Sullinger or Barnes would be the target. As of right now where we sit (15) I saw a mock where Jimmer Fredette was the pick. I would be fine with that but that would also mean a trade is made to accomodate the pick. I don't think Iguodala or Williams are here long term despite them both having thier best seasons as pros. Moving them this summer is something to think about.

Post #91 » by **The Guilty Party** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:07 pm

At some point, this franchise has to make a play for an impact big man. Brand is having his best season in a Sixers uni but he's obviously on the downside of his career and won't be doing us much in a year or two when our squad might be ready to take a step forward.

Kobblehead · Post #92 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:49 pm

My guess is that there's no way in hell that the Kings would want Turner. Turner and Evans in the same lineup is like the ultimate example of something that has no chance of working.

sixerswillrule · Post #93 » by **sixerswillrule** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:25 pm

Kobblehead wrote:My guess is that there's no way in hell that the Kings would want Turner. Turner and Evans in the same lineup is like the ultimate example of something that has no chance of working.

Evans, Thornton, and Iguodala could work well together.
The 4th pick would be good value for Iguodala. The ideas of getting that pick + something like Wes Johnson from Minny for Iguodala were pipe dreams. I guess we go after Sullinger but he might be taken in the top 3.

Post #94 » by **The Guilty Party** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:48 pm

Apparently I've become some sort of super OSU fan. In this thread, I'm suggesting that we trade Iguodala in order to obtain Sullinger on Draft Night. In another thread, I have us trying to sign Greg Oden with the MLE. I hate OSU so WTF!?!

Either way, *if* healthy, this lineup would look pretty sick for years to come.

Holiday
Meeks
Turner
Sullinger
Oden

Also, there is a deal on the trade board for Iguodala with MIN that I would take over a deal with Sacramento. It's this...

TPE, Webster, Tolliver, and the #3 to us for Iguodala and the #17.

That deal gives us depth, a better chance of walking away with Sullinger or Jones, and a trade exception.

Holiday/Williams
Meeks/Webster
Turner/Nocioni/2nd Rd Pick
Brand/Sullinger (Sullinger can learn under Brand for a year just as Turner did with Dre)
Oden/Hawes/Tolliver/Speights

ZarcMumoff · Post #95 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:02 pm

I'm still in favor of moving Iggy at the right deal. But if the market is still what it was for Wallace, then no thanks.

I would 100% do that (both deals). Love Sullinger, a huge fan of his...see a definite 18/10 PF.

freshie2 · Post #96 » by **freshie2** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:09 pm

I guess I'm still on the path for a 2-3 years before contending, and I would probably take Jones over Sullinger. Sullinger is fine, but I struggle with his lack of athleticism. One thing that drives me nuts now is the number of times a nice pass is made to Brand down low, and he doesn't/can't just take it to the rim for a dunk. Love what Brand brings, but I don't know that I want to pick another PF with limited athleticism for a building block moving forward. Jones has a lot more development ahead of him, but also a much higher ceiling...I probably would go for the upside, given you would still have Brand for a few more years.

ZarcMumoff · Post #97 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:21 pm

Jones is also a SF, not a PF. So I would definitely go with Sully...guy has an array of post moves and has range to the college three point line.

freshie2 · Post #98 » by **freshie2** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:29 pm

Jones could play a stretch PF, and has the body to bulk up a bit as well. He won't be a traditional SF long term.

sixerswillrule · Post #99 » by **sixerswillrule** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:41 pm

I'm on board with trading Iguodala for a top 5 pick, but if we do we would have find someone who wants Brand. There would absolutely be no reason to keep him if we're going into full rebuild mode, especially with Sullinger on board(yeah yeah, mentor shmentor).

freshie2 · Post #100 » by **freshie2** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:48 pm

I don't think the Sixers are in full rebuild mode just b/c they deal Iguodala. Let's just say the Sixers deal Iguodala and their pick for J.Thompson and Sacramento's pick (Sullinger/Barnes/Jones). They have improved their depth/talent across the front line, and now have a 1-2-3 of Jrue/Meeks/Turner (most likely). If you resign Hawes/Thad, you still have a nice starting 5, and probably a better bench with the front court additions, and should be right in the hunt for the playoffs again. Moving Brand would be fine, but I don't think it is a requirement if you move Iguodala.