Doug: If Knights not there then its Bismack

[Junkball]

Wtf? Just a day ago most of the board was hoping for Knight to fall and now that there is a very likely chance that may happen.....people don't want him? People are weird.

Knight is a Bayless clone. Going back to Bayless' freshman year and pre-draft measurements, they're two peas in a pod.

Wingspan.

There's a slight advantage for Knight, and also an advantage in the lane agility test. But you could also point out that Bayless was better in 2p%, 3p%, points, FT% (very slight), and steals (in his NCAA freshman year). Nothing seems obvious to me.

Nor do Knight's highlight clips show the ball handling skills that you want in an NBA point guard.

[bigdirty]

Bargnani is an awful match for everyone because he is lazy as **** and forces the other player to do everything. Amir got injured having to carry him on D and rebounding and I'm sure Ed Davis will follow in the coming years. I don't want Biyombo wearing down while Andrea does the more complicated things like chuck 3s.

[Patman]

Yup, we kinda already knew it would be Knight if not available then Biyombo, i have no problem with this scenerio. People who are talking trash about Biyombo really dont know how he plays or seen his clips, he was a man amoung boys againt the 'highly touted' 2012 draft class!! Made Anthony Davis look like a little school boy.

I'm not gonna trash Biyombo, but how many countless times have we seen a big man who was athletically superior in college and in Europe, only to find that the NBA is a whole different animal? He will run into bigger guys that are faster than him, and smaller guys that are stronger than him.

Would BB be an asset to our team? Sure. Do we use the 5th pick on him? I don't know about that. We should approach him with caution, that's all.

[Duffman100]

I'd be happy with either.

[notic519]

Yesterday I compiled a spreadsheet that measured Height, Reach and blocks/48 (player has to play at least 20 mins a game). The results were that Reach plays a bigger factor then height when it comes to blocked shots (correlation was higher with reach vs height). Bismack's reach is pretty darn huge and compares with centers around the league. The fact that he is shorter would likely make it easier to guard smaller players as well.

I also made the same comparison with rebounds/height/reach and noticed that there isn't much correlation with either reach/height when it comes to rebounding.

Hmm, of course, you don't use your head to block shots.
The standing reach and max vertical are there for block shots and rebounding.

Obviously one would assume that, but there are many posters here that say player X is only y ft tall. There was also a discussion a couple days ago where James Naismith said that no one has proof that standing reach is more important than height for blocking shots. He actually claimed that there is zero correlation between the two. I was simply showing some proof to end the silly debate to begin with.

[SDM]

Ideally, it would be Kemba, but I'm fine with a healthy Biyombo.

[Indeed]

If BC can somehow trade Bargnani for a pick to draft Biyombo a few spots later, then I am all for drafting Brandon Knight, but I would rather take Biyombo @ #5 and trade for a later pick to grab Kemba Walker.

I think Kemba Walker is much better than a lot of people think (as rumors suggested he's going to slide to late lottery).

Our offensive rating will be historical low with Bismack and Jason Terry 2.0

[Pseudonym]

I like how the Walker fans suggest that Knight is redundant with Bayless and that they're clones. Is Walker not way more like Bayless than Knight?

Well, yeah, since everyone likes to keep ignoring that he was forced into a scoring role. Walker's more like Lawson/Ford (pre-Horford). Knight is much more like Bayless; they have the same flaws. Knight are more glaring, even with considering his age.

[djsunyc]

another euro?!?!?!?

[cookieman]

I'm not gonna trash Biyombo, but how many countless times have we seen a big man who was athletically superior in college and in Europe, only to find that the NBA is a whole different animal? He will run into bigger guys that are faster than him, and smaller guys that are stronger than him.

Would BB be an asset to our team? Sure. Do we use the 5th pick on him? I don't know about that. We should approach him with caution, that's all.

This argument sometimes has validity. However, he did go up against the best, most athletic high school players in the US at the Hoops Summit (like Austin Rivers) and had an absolute block party. Sure guys will be much, much stronger in the NBA, but run and jump wise most of the US players are already at NBA levels and Biyombo had no problem turning them away again and again, which actually suggests that they hadn't been up against a shotblocker that good possibly ever in their careers. And the best part is he does it with a low foul rate (which Valanciunas does not). Add in his intangibles which are absolutely off the charts and you have a really nice prospect, who's specialty is exactly what the doctor ordered. Sign me up.

[Carlton Banksy]

another euro?!?!?!?

Congo is not in Europe.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Sooooo....can Ed Davis and Bismack co-exist?

I think they definitely can, and I think that would give us solid interior D. Ed is already a very efficient scorer who I thought did a good job establishing position offensively in the post, and towards the end of the year showed that he has a decent looking jumper to work with. Obviously we'd be less reliant on our frontcourt to score than we are now with Bargs dominating possessions, but I think our backcourt could pick up the slack (they certainly aren't less efficient at creating/scoring for themselves than Bargs is), and the overall effect would be a net positive because of the improved interior D/rebounding. Plus we have Amir as an even more efficient guy off the bench that has shown that he can create a little bit of his own offense and has an even more reliable jumper and solid FT shooting percentages than Ed.

If this went down, hopefully James Johnson impresses us and shows some strides with regards to having a reliable jumper, but if not, then we're still positioned well to acquire one of the solid SFs (or PGs) that can take a bigger role in the offense in the next draft.

[Baller_vision]

Sniff Sniff... But...but... Kemba..... Pls i dont want to see Alabi 3.0 and i thought our African super scout was shipped off to Denver to be a GM... let him take him.. and Alabi too.. I want a Guy who is a winner and can defend other guards..

So i guess we are now really gonna be stepping up our help side defense this year huh.. ..KISS TEET

Send on Knight or we Vancouver RealSports B&G right over to the ACC

[Patman]

I like how the Walker fans suggest that Knight is redundant with Bayless and that they're clones. Is Walker not way more like Bayless than Knight?

No. Kemba HAD to be aggressive and force/make difficult plays. That's not even his strength, and his team STILL won! Knight had WAY better players around him, and all he did was disrupt team chemistry. Kemba is a better passer and better at protecting the ball.

[Basketball_Jones]

Sooooo....can Ed Davis and Bismack co-exist?

I think they definitely can, and I think that would give us solid interior D. Ed is already a very efficient scorer who I thought did a good job establishing position offensively in the post, and towards the end of the year showed that he has a decent looking jumper to work with. Obviously we'd be less reliant on our frontcourt to score than we are now with Bargs dominating possessions, but I think our backcourt could pick up the slack (they certainly aren't less efficient at creating/scoring for themselves than Bargs is), and the overall effect would be a net positive because of the improved interior D/rebounding. Plus we have Amir as an even more efficient guy off the bench that has shown that he can create a little bit of his own offense and has an even more reliable jumper and solid FT shooting percentages than Ed.

If this went down, hopefully James Johnson impresses us and shows some strides with regards to having a reliable jumper, but if not, then we're still positioned well to acquire one of the solid SFs (or PGs) that can take a bigger role in the offense in the next draft.

The simple answer would have been it doesn't matter. Ed is getting traded to bring help for Bargnani.

[Xixak]

If we can somehow grab BK and BB and GTFO BC is a legend.

This is my dream, and it's not really that unrealistic. If Knight falls to 5 we obviously take him, no hesitation whatsoever. Then we choose between Bargnani and Davis for starting PF and trade one of them for another top 10 pick to get Biyombo.

[wegetitin08]

You will see a different B.K in the NBA I think the Kentucky system hindered his abilities cause when you watch his high school tapes (and tapes when he had braids) he was more explosive

[SDM]

You will see a different B.K in the NBA I think the Kentucky system hindered his abilities cause when you watch his high school tapes (and tapes when he had braids) he was more explosive

Or he could be another Bayless, who peaked in high school.

[Shady91]

another euro?!?!?!?

Congo is not in Europe.

Someone eventually fall for it

[wegetitin08]

Maybe but a lot of scouts say he has upside to him...even Magic Said he would take him 1st overall