John Wall makes 2000 shots a day

[doctorfunk]

doctorfunk: A shot doesn't take nowhere near 10 seconds for him, i'm pretty sure he has personal help, or his friends, with multiple rebounders it may not even take 5 seconds on average, more like 3 or 4.

10s is rounded up for factors like rest, rebounds and other random stuff.
Plus you have to add time if he does anything else than catch and shoot, he is probably doing one dribble pullups with or without defender in his face and maybe coming off the screens or catching it on the run and shooting.

I doubt there is a quicker way to shoot than Mike Miller here and he still made only 1 per 3,5seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjKk092NupI

at this pace he would need to 2h nonstop at 90%+ FG to make 2000 but there are some points to that;
- he is probably doing more than just catch and shoot shots esp. if hes a guard
- if he shoots a lot of threes he would probably make less than M.Miller on average
- his release is(was?) slower

to conclude; I think 2000 is what he aims/hopes for, since it would take loads of time and also 2000 is not something really required I doubt Ray Allen or anyone shoots close to that number.

[bledredwine]

Oh cool,

looks like everyone forgot that John Wall is the worst starting PG defensively in the entire league.


But sure, he'll be top 3 PG. Why not.

[Chosen01]

Oh cool,

looks like everyone forgot that John Wall is the worst starting PG defensively in the entire league.


But sure, he'll be top 3 PG. Why not.

Strong logic, how terrible was Rose in his rookie season again?

[Wharton Alum 08]

Oh cool,

looks like everyone forgot that John Wall is the worst starting PG defensively in the entire league.


But sure, he'll be top 3 PG. Why not.

Strong logic, how terrible was Rose in his rookie season again?

No offense but don't you ask how Rose is drug into every Wall thread?

[bledredwine]

Oh cool,

looks like everyone forgot that John Wall is the worst starting PG defensively in the entire league.


But sure, he'll be top 3 PG. Why not.

Strong logic, how terrible was Rose in his rookie season again?

Significantly better than wall lol. And rose became a top 3 pg in his third year. You know; when players typically show you the potential they can reach. Wall had THE worst opponent scoring stats of all starting PG's in the league. No chance. And he doesn't have a defensive guru coach to help him out either. Sorry.

[DaeDae]

Oh cool,

looks like everyone forgot that John Wall is the worst starting PG defensively in the entire league.


But sure, he'll be top 3 PG. Why not.

Strong logic, how terrible was Rose in his rookie season again?

No offense but don't you ask how Rose is drug into every Wall thread?

RIght. But it's the rose homers always dragging him into these threads. In both instances he was initially mentioned in this thread, it was to knock him down to build wall up, and it wasn't done by rose homers.

[7-Day Dray]

Oh cool,

looks like everyone forgot that John Wall is the worst starting PG defensively in the entire league.


But sure, he'll be top 3 PG. Why not.

You do realize that Wall was injured 80% of the year right??

[bledredwine]

Oh cool,

looks like everyone forgot that John Wall is the worst starting PG defensively in the entire league.


But sure, he'll be top 3 PG. Why not.

You do realize that Wall was injured 80% of the year right??

So why are people calling him a top 3 pg and better than Rose next year? I must be missing something spectacular that wall did, other than making 2000 shots a day.

[7-Day Dray]

Oh cool,

looks like everyone forgot that John Wall is the worst starting PG defensively in the entire league.


But sure, he'll be top 3 PG. Why not.

You do realize that Wall was injured 80% of the year right??

So why are people calling him a top 3 pg and better than Rose next year? I must be missing something spectacular that wall did, other than making 2000 shots a day.

I haven't seen anybody in this thread call Wall a top 3 PG RIGHT NOW or say that he would be better than Rose NEXT YEAR. They're saying that he has the potential to do both of those things. BIG difference.

[bledredwine]

7-day-dray

"Seriously though, John Wall's gonna end up better than Rose." doesn't read "John Wall has the potential to be better than Rose".

and when someone else countered that poster, you said:
"Care to elaborate? I've seen you call Wall overrated in every topic about him, but have yet to see you explain why or why you think Rose will be the better player. Not saying you're wrong or anything, but I hate when people just say random **** and just start hating."

Well, I'll elaborate; John Wall played 64 games last year, more like playing 80% of the season rather than missing 80%. Check your numbers.

In that time, he had the worst rated defense of any PG in the NBA, and I watched Rose walk all over him. He has plenty of potential, but has yet to show it. I might have well said Tyrus Thomas would end up a better PF than KG. But usually I wait to come to silly conclusions. Actions speak louder than words and Wall has proven nothing, yet.

[Chosen01]

Oh cool,

looks like everyone forgot that John Wall is the worst starting PG defensively in the entire league.


But sure, he'll be top 3 PG. Why not.

Strong logic, how terrible was Rose in his rookie season again?

No offense but don't you ask how Rose is drug into every Wall thread?

I must be blind but IM PRETTY SURE he was already drug into this thread no?Since the above poster was saying defensive was on indication on whether he'd be a top 3 PG, I thought it was relevant to point out another PG who is a top 3 PG and was also below average man to man defender in his rookie season.

Oh cool,

looks like everyone forgot that John Wall is the worst starting PG defensively in the entire league.


But sure, he'll be top 3 PG. Why not.

Strong logic, how terrible was Rose in his rookie season again?

Significantly better than wall lol. And rose became a top 3 pg in his third year. You know; when players typically show you the potential they can reach. Wall had THE worst opponent scoring stats of all starting PG's in the league. No chance. And he doesn't have a defensive guru coach to help him out either. Sorry.

Significantly better than Wall, really?do you have prove to back up this statement or are you just basing this off biased reasoning.Rose was also a terrible defender, I think that was a strong weakness in his game.To say Wall has "no chance" to improve his defense is asinine.

[7-Day Dray]

7-day-dray

"Seriously though, John Wall's gonna end up better than Rose." doesn't read "John Wall has the potential to be better than Rose".

and when someone else countered that poster, you said:
"Care to elaborate? I've seen you call Wall overrated in every topic about him, but have yet to see you explain why or why you think Rose will be the better player. Not saying you're wrong or anything, but I hate when people just say random **** and just start hating."

Well, I'll elaborate; John Wall played 64 games last year, more like playing 80% of the season rather than missing 80%. Check your numbers.

In that time, he had the worst rated defense of any PG in the NBA, and I watched Rose walk all over him. He has plenty of potential, but has yet to show it. I might have well said Tyrus Thomas would end up a better PF than KG. But usually I wait to come to silly conclusions. Actions speak louder than words and Wall has proven nothing, yet.

Yes, he played in 64 games last season, but he wasn't 100% in most of them. I meant that he was playing injured in 80% of the games he played, not that he missed 80% of his games.

And yes, Wall was a bad defender last year, but Rose was a bad defender in his first year also, and he's gotten better in that regard every year. I'm willing to bet that Wall improves his defense. He has all the tools to be a lockdown defender.

[og15]

I don't know, i'm not saying it's perfect, but what i meant, i don't see any drastic error.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AI8tahR9T8

He shoots pull-up jumpers here, i don't see a particularly slow release, nor a bad follow through, the ball just doesn't go in. I think he'll be a good, or at least above average shooter in his prime, he will never be Stephen Curry, but i don't think it will be a real problem for him like for Rondo.

doctorfunk: A shot doesn't take nowhere near 10 seconds for him, i'm pretty sure he has personal help, or his friends, with multiple rebounders it may not even take 5 seconds on average, more like 3 or 4.

In that video he fairly consistently shoots while coming down, if he shot while going up (at the top of his jump and without a slight hitch) even with the same form, just some good practice and fixing some minor things and he can make it a good shot. It is a decently slow release, but if a player is getting his shot off, that's all that really matters. If not, then yea, maybe get that shot to be quicker. Shooting while going up alone will speed up his shot and give it more arc.

Also it shouldn't take him too long to make 2000 shots. I could hit about 70% of my jumpers (that is in game shots, not catch and shoot) in practice when basketball had some more hope for me, and so if he's hitting at that range it would take him ~2800 shots to put up 2000. He could split it up and make 1000 in the morning and 1000 in the evening. With rebounders etc, it should take him an hour at the most for each of those sessions.

[lilojmayo]

Probably about 90% of the league should be doing the same thing!!! if you want to be a good offensive player in the NBA unless you have Shaqs size you need a dependable jumpshot. The kid knows its a weakness of his and he's fighting to make it a strength. Thats how you become great. I wish him the best of luck, he's puttin the workin.

John Wall is such a freakshow out on the court. shamful, he has to play for a scrub team.

[Jvaughn]

LOL @ the guy saying Wall is only an above-average athlete.

Don't be shy. If you want to call somebody out, do it by name. I stand by my original statement. While Walls is blindingly fast, when it comes to all around athleticism he's not in the same category as athletic freaks like Westbrook and Rose.

[JamesNaismith]

Wall is going to be THE best PG in the game!


True story and no green font.

[bledredwine]

Chosen1-


Well, it's asinine to compare Wall's defense to Rose, rookie year. Yep, I said it. See Boston series.

[G35]

I always wonder about those numbers. For a not great shooter who's obviously not going to make anything like 100% of them you are probably talking about 4-6 hours a day of shooting a jumper every 5 seconds in order to get to 2000 made jumpers (if you shoot a jumper every 5 seconds and never stopped or slowed down you could get up 720 shots an hour. Not makes. Shots.). This supposedly on top of ballhandling workouts, weightlifting, any cardio etc. And every day? These claims never sound entirely reasonable when you think them through. Your body would flat wear out.

These are top notch athletes. They aren't built like you or me.

2,000 makes is still ridiculous. And not everyday. You would wear something out and like Winsome said that doesn't include any pickup ball, working out, carido, hanging out at the club, going to church, etc etc.

Also like was said just about all NBA players can make shots with no hand in their face. Just watch the pre game shooting before a game. I watched Matt Bonner drain 20 straight shots with breaking a sweat. I think he scored 6 points in the game.....

[theboomking]

LOL @ the guy saying Wall is only an above-average athlete.

Don't be shy. If you want to call somebody out, do it by name. I stand by my original statement. While Walls is blindingly fast, when it comes to all around athleticism he's not in the same category as athletic freaks like Westbrook and Rose.

Taller, longer wingspan, longer standing reach, best max vert reach of the 3, best end to end speed. If you want to look at stats that measure explosiveness, I would look at FTA, dunks, and at rim finishing percentage. Wall was better than Rose in all 3 as a rookie, and better than Westbrook in 2/3. Westbrook had more dunks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwQhha3Bo60&feature=player_embedded

[Senor Chang]

LOL @ the guy saying Wall is only an above-average athlete.

Don't be shy. If you want to call somebody out, do it by name. I stand by my original statement. While Walls is blindingly fast, when it comes to all around athleticism he's not in the same category as athletic freaks like Westbrook and Rose.

Taller, longer wingspan, longer standing reach, best max vert reach of the 3, best end to end speed. If you want to look at stats that measure explosiveness, I would look at FTA, dunks, and at rim finishing percentage. Wall was better than Rose in all 3 as a rookie, and better than Westbrook in 2/3. Westbrook had more dunks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwQhha3Bo60&feature=player_embedded

Wall is taller and longer but that's about it. FTA isn't indicative of ones athleticism as it is ones ability to make fouls look obvious. Indeed an important skill to have nontheless. Rose really didn't dunk much his rookie season, for some reason it seemed like he got more athletic every year. Rose didn't really begin to get respect from the refs until it became apparent he was an MVP candidate later in the 2011 season. It must be the way he contorts his body around the hoop that throws off the refs.

Anyway, instead of debating which of us has better eyesight here are the numbers for everyone to see. Lets not ignore them this time.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... ll&sort=16

Wall 6'2.75" -6'4"
Westbrook 6'2.25" -6'3.5"
Rose 6"1.5" -6'2.5"

Wall really only has a half inch on Westbrook 1.25 inches on Rose but Wall's height rounds up to a more sexy 6'4 in shoes(his). The height difference isn't that much. We're not talking the difference between Wade and Lebron or Lebron and Durant