Rondo is overrated

[connor1349]

Can't believe people think Westbrook is better than Rondo. Westbrook is a chicken without a head who hogs the ball. Sure, he'll get you points, but that's it.

[Doormatt]

Give any PG 10 feet to operate and they'd rack up 10+ assists playing in a system that has as many set plays as the Celtics.

Then why is it that when Rondo has been out injured in the past, we struggle and no one fills the void consistently? You never saw Delonte West, Nate Robinson or Avery Bradley putting up 10-15 assists every night as the starting point guard in Rondo's absence.

well those guys suck mostly on offense and certainly cant run a team in any capacity, so yeah.

[Setshot33]

I've always wondered what Rondo would do without three HOFers on his team. I say he would be a top 10-15 PG tops without the big 3.

Which is why when all the Big Three sat out and he was passing to guys like Bradley,Daniels and Steisma, he still put up big numbers.

Watch more games,post less.

[Doormatt]

and the celtics offense no matter the players still isnt good.

*shrugs*

inb4 offensive rebounding

[smith2373]

Give any PG 10 feet to operate and they'd rack up 10+ assists playing in a system that has as many set plays as the Celtics.

Then why is it that when Rondo has been out injured in the past, we struggle and no one fills the void consistently? You never saw Delonte West, Nate Robinson or Avery Bradley putting up 10-15 assists every night as the starting point guard in Rondo's absence.

well those guys suck mostly on offense and certainly cant run a team in any capacity, so yeah.

But you said any PG could rack up assists playing in the Celtics system. So why didn't Delonte, Nate, Avery or Eddie House rack up 10+ assists playing for the C's?

[Doormatt]

i never said that once.

[smith2373]

Oh yeah my bad, it wasn't you that originally wrote that.

My mistake.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I've always wondered what Rondo would do without three HOFers on his team. I say he would be a top 10-15 PG tops without the big 3.

I wasn't going to comment on topic, but I get tired of people using the big 3 as the crutch to Rondo's high assist #'s. Rondo has made Semih Erden and Kendrick Perkins look better than what they are on offense. On top of that, the big 3 is past their prime. Could you imagine what Rondo would look like playing with a prime big 3?!

[smith2373]

I've always wondered what Rondo would do without three HOFers on his team. I say he would be a top 10-15 PG tops without the big 3.

I wasn't going to comment on topic, but I get tired of people using the big 3 as the crutch to Rondo's high assist #'s. Rondo has made Semih Erden and Kendrick Perkins look better than what they are on offense. On top of that, the big 3 is past their prime. Could you imagine what Rondo would look like playing with a prime big 3?!

Exactly. The NBA's worst nightmare is putting Rondo on a young, athletic team.

So many times during games Rondo runs a fastbreak and he's the only man there, he wants to push the ball but he can't because his team is so slow. Hopefully next year the C's are younger and more athletic so we can finally see this happen.

[The Anti-fan]

youre post makes little to no sense. citing one instance where he hit a shot makes him efficient? when has rondo ever been close to the ~60 TS% playoff runs nash and cp3 have had? when has he ever carried the boston offense for an entire series?

Man, stop talking. There's no point debating with you if you're not gonna give any sort of charity to the other side's points. You want evidence of Rondo carrying a team? See him vs Derrick Rose in the 2009 playoffs. No KG. Look at the stats. Watch it on Youtube. It meets your ret@rded definition of "dominance" in that he's scoring a lot of points. He practically averaged a triple double during the playoffs that year. S***, just look at this year's playoffs. Just compare his stats vs the current "flavor of the month" Russell Westbrook during this year's playoffs. Rondo gets the edge. Watching the games? Rondo gets the edge. You can't just cherry pick a stat like TS% from one playoff series and think that's going to invalidate Rondo's body of work vs a Chris Paul or Stevie Nash. That's not his game. Just like running an offense isn't Westbrook's.

Rondo is capable of "taking over", but he chooses to get his teammates involved because, you know, he's playing with 3 HoFers. Rondo is so athletically gifted it just hurts to wonder if he ever had a jumpshot how far he would go. Still, the guy just wants to win, not just "get his" which is why he isn't jacking up a ton of shots. If you just showed the average NBA fan his playoff stats without his name, face, or green jersey they would all agree that the guy is NASTY. Guess what? You know what other pass first player never had a jumpshot but still carried a team to the Finals? JASON KIDD. You might see Rondo do that in a couple years from now.

Stick to the Nintendo forums, dude.

(edited for word filter)

[GreenKnight0028]

People are quick to judge Rondo especially because he doesnt score as much. Whenever he has a great game = "Its only one game". Whenever someone like Magic Johnson says hes the best PG in the league = "He's not a good analyst" or "he's just living up to the hype" etc. Whenever Rondo gets 20, 30, or this case 40 pts = "The defense is sagging off him". Whenever he gets 10+ assists = "Its because of the Big 3". I think Kenny Smith put it best. You play up on him and he'll blow by past you. You sag off him 10ft, you give him court vision and floor space to create especially when no one is pressuring him. He will beat you both ways.

Rondo isnt a good shooter yeah yeah yeah but he can definitely score the ball. He also makes up for it in basically every other category. Assists? He's got it. Rebounds? He's got it. Steals? He's got it. Not fine with that? He sets picks for his teammates to get open. Oh and you need him to defend a great player? He'll do that. I dont really see any other PG's wanting to and deciding to actually play one on one defense, in a possible game winning play, on a freak of a nature Lebron James. He might be way too undersized but at least he wants and takes on the challenge especially in a Playoff game. Example: End of regulation in Game 2. The last shot. Pierce fouled out and who was guarding Lebron? Rondo. If Lebron was going to beat them, he was going to beat them while Rondo was guarding him. He made Lebron go into a long fadeaway 2 pointer. Ofcourse many people are going to say Lebron had enough space or decided to take a long fadeaway 2 pointer on his own and Rondo didnt have any impact on the shot Lebron took etc etc etc. Why? Because its Rajon Rondo we're talking about, who doesn't ever get the credit he deserves.

[FakeScreenName123]

this is prolly not the time (playoffs) to say Rondo is overrated.

[G35]

I love Rondo. He makes plays. He competes. He mixes it up.

Pro's:

Great rebounder and I value rebounding from every position ESPECIALLY in the playoff's when each possession is precious
Great distributor; see's the floor and makes great decisions, puts the ball in a great shooting rhythm for the shooter
Plays defense, no he isn't lockdown but with the amount of screens PG's are going through nowadays I think we need to adjust our standards for perimeter defense. I would say Rondo makes momentum/game changing plays on defense
Has elite penetration and hands Kobe would love to have

Cons:
FT shooting is suspect
Mid range is suspect
Tempermental


For me the cons are in-progress and from his performance in the playoff's thus far he has turned a corner on his shooting. It's getting better. Which is why he's starting to have these incredible performances. His attitude is typical for a young player but I think he has done very well for the position he was put in. People see three HoF's and say that makes his job easy. I say three HoF's makes it hard to please all at the same time. Now I do think that since KG isn't really a go to scorer that makes things easy since he doesn't need to score and Pierce is an iso scorer a lot of the time and Ray has to have plays set for him that makes it difficult to know what to run.

I think Rondo is at a higher level than Tony Parker at the same age and people are calling an MVP candidate now. Rondo affects the game so much because he's always around the ball. He has an affinity for deflections, rebounds, and hustle plays. I love that more than pretty stats, those things win games.....

[nickforthreee]

How can you say he's overrated? He drops triple double consistently and is single-handedly willing his team through these playoffs... There should be no argument he is a Top 3 PG in this league.

[Darth Celtic]

I've always wondered what Rondo would do without three HOFers on his team. I say he would be a top 10-15 PG tops without the big 3.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320415030

no ray, no pierce, no kg. 20pts 16 assists 6 rebounds.

[624]

I'm a Nets fan who lives in New England, so I watch a ton of Celtics games on top of the entire Nets season.


The amount of defensive attention Deron gets versus Rondo is just night and day.

I'd love to see what Deron could have done over the past few years in Rondo's situation.


I still think Rondo fluctuates between 4-6, but he is not a top 3 PG.

[GreenKnight0028]

I've always wondered what Rondo would do without three HOFers on his team. I say he would be a top 10-15 PG tops without the big 3.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320415030

no ray, no pierce, no kg. 20pts 16 assists 6 rebounds.

Honestly, thats a great example. I bet we will be seeing this a lot though. "It was against the Bobcats". =/.

[GetItDone]

Give any PG 10 feet to operate and they'd rack up 10+ assists playing in a system that has as many set plays as the Celtics.

Then why is it that when Rondo has been out injured in the past, we struggle and no one fills the void consistently? You never saw Delonte West, Nate Robinson or Avery Bradley putting up 10-15 assists every night as the starting point guard in Rondo's absence.

Struggle?

Is that why you guys are 17-10 without him over the span of two years? Everytime Rondo is out the Celtics to miss a beat.

[humblebum]

I laugh in the face of Rondo haters.

[gamby]

green homers are getting ridiculous