2012/13 Toronto Raptors Draft Thread *Poll Edited*

Undefeated · Post #81 » by **Undefeated** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:16 am

JunkYardSubs wrote:So one last time: what position is Shabazz in the NBA?

SG...

Chaos Engine · Post #82 » by **Chaos Engine** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:35 am

Undefeated wrote:
JunkYardSubs wrote:So one last time: what position is Shabazz in the NBA?

SG...

I agree. A lot of people here want to believe he is a SF. Can he play some SF? Yes, but if you're drafting him high in the lottery you want to put him in the best position to succeed which would be SG, his natural position. I'd rather see him be one of the taller and bigger SG's at 6'6 220 with the ability to post up smaller 2's than force him at SF from day one and have him guard the Lebron's, Melo's and Durant's of the league.

Mark_83 · Post #83 » by **Mark_83** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:39 am

If were in the position to draft Noel and we don't pick him I think I might throw up. I know we have Ed, Val, Amir, etc, but Noel is a special talent. He's on pace for more blocked shots than Anthony Davis, and he could also break Rajon Rondo's UK record for steals.

I think people sleep on his offensive ability a bit. He's raw, but all the tools are there for him to be a very good scorer. He can handle the ball better than a lot of guys his size, and his fluidity and passing ability for a big man is exceptional. He reminds me a bit of Jermaine O'Neal (especially his profficiency with his lefthand) and Kevin Garnett when they first came into the league.

Scope these early season high lights from UK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVbzzK1eM4M

If we picked him, maybe we could package Ed + DD or something for another lottery pick to take one of the shooting gaurds/wings available.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #84 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:58 am

Trey Burke with 27 pts (12-16 FGs) 5 rebs 8 ast 3 stls and 0 TOs for undefeated #3 ranked Michigan.

fredericklove · Post #85 » by **fredericklove** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:29 am

Undefeated wrote:Good work fam. Can you give me the deets on Anderson?

Yeah the stat says it all, solid all around numbers, basically because the opposing team isn't really that athletic so he can expose using his size and ball handling ability, he actually has the ball alot more in this game compared to other games, so coach integrates him into a full time ball handling distributor now, sharing the duty w/ Drew. For instance, if it's on the transition, Drew will handle the ball going coast to coat, attacks the lane and kick it back out, but once they regroup in the half court, they just give it right to Anderson to start back out at the top circle, its much like how Hedo did w/ the Magic. He rebounded the ball really well from the weakside, took a few uncontested pull up jumpers, crossover someone very slowly but got stripped, overall, his scoring came from his dribbles, breaking down defenders, its deceptive even tho he's slow. I was pretty impressed w/ his all around ability tonight, it was on full display.

fredericklove · Post #86 » by **fredericklove** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:42 am

Mark_83 wrote:If were in the position to draft Noel and we don't pick him I think I might throw up. I know we have Ed, Val, Amir, etc, but Noel is a special talent. He's on pace for more blocked shots than Anthony Davis, and he could also break Rajon Rondo's UK record for steals.

I think people sleep on his offensive ability a bit. He's raw, but all the tools are there for him to be a very good scorer. He can handle the ball better than a lot of guys his size, and his fluidity and passing ability for a big man is exceptional. He reminds me a bit of Jermaine O'Neal (especially his profficiency with his lefthand) and Kevin Garnett when they first came into the league.

Scope these early season high lights from UK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVbzzK1eM4M

If we picked him, maybe we could package Ed + DD or something for another lottery pick to take one of the shooting gaurds/wings available.

Those highlights are actually not as impressive as the in game ones, in the game he's just so god damn active, and his defensive awareness is incredible. It's on the same level of Davis, yeah I said it.

His shotblocking ability is actually more impressive than Davis, and I'll tell you why, he's also a better ball thief too. Davis is very good at blocking from the weakside, and quick too but Noel does that too but he is better at recovery D, his second jump is incredible, like he'll alter his man's shots, then blocks another guy again, good recovery, and he's a better 1 on 1 post defender than Davis (not a better perimeter defender tho), but Noel has more ground and raises hands straight up, he alters alot of shots in the post, I can definitely see Noel being better shotblocker than Davis, his timing is just fun to watch. Offensively Davis is light years ahead of Noel, no question about it.

Scase · Post #87 » by **Scase** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:18 am

Why in gods name would we ever draft zeller.

Aside from BPA that is.

bkseven · Post #88 » by **bkseven** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:41 am

Wow, you guys are so uptight about this draft even though you guys might not even get a pick

ATLTimekeeper · Post #89 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:30 pm

Mark_83 wrote:If were in the position to draft Noel and we don't pick him I think I might throw up. I know we have Ed, Val, Amir, etc, but Noel is a special talent. He's on pace for more blocked shots than Anthony Davis, and he could also break Rajon Rondo's UK record for steals.

No, he's not.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=3-anthony-davis&i=1&p1=nerlens-noel

He's been fouling quite a bit more, too. I wouldn't call him a special talent, more of a unique one.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #90 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:26 am

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/11/2 ... ions-open/

What are your thoughts on Dario Saric? I remember watching him in the Nike Hoops Summit, and being impressed by how skilled & talented he was. It sounds like he'll only declare if he has a top 10 promise from a team. Unfortunately, for us, we'll only keep our pick if it's in the top 3. But, nevertheless, in a relatively weak draft, I'm intrigued by Saric.

Sterling_Archer · Post #91 » by **Sterling_Archer** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:56 am

Shabazz really seems to me like harden not very athletic but good and has an array of ways to score. He may be the number ne guy but it depends on how guys like Goodwin Noel's and a guy like gobert do over the year.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #92 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:58 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/11/26/european-star-keeps-nba-options-open/

What are your thoughts on Dario Saric? I remember watching him in the Nike Hoops Summit, and being impressed by how skilled & talented he was. It sounds like he'll only declare if he has a top 10 promise from a team. Unfortunately, for us, we'll only keep our pick if it's in the top 3. But, nevertheless, in a relatively weak draft, I'm intrigued by Saric.

I don't think he'll be in this draft. He was quoted as saying he wanted to stay 2-3 years in Europe and the top 10 thing is prohibitive.

Dr Positivity · Post #93 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:35 pm

Bilas and Ford posted their top 10 prospects

Bilas

1. Noel
2. Len
3. Zeller
4. Carter-Williams
5. Goodwin
6. Shabazz
7. Poythress
8. McCollum
9. McLemore
10. Bennett

Ford

1. Noel
2. Len
3. Shabazz
4. Zeller
5. Poythress
6. Bennett
7. Goodwin
8. Porter
9. Carter-Williams
10. McLemore

fredericklove · Post #94 » by **fredericklove** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:30 pm

Consider this year's draft is weaker, I won't be surprised if noel becomes no.1 pick due to his defensive ability. Like we can all say that his offense is raw as hell but his defensive potential is top 2 worthy. If thabeet is drafted for his defense at 2nd pick (yes a bust) then I definitely see Noel drafted first in a weak draft considering he's an athletic defensive stud who's able to use both hands and already show incredible impact in first year, I don't see him being a bust like the slow unathletic thabeet, and yes he's my guy!

Chaos Engine · Post #95 » by **Chaos Engine** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:51 pm

Shabazz keeps falling. We can't tank for this guy....

ash_k · Post #96 » by **ash_k** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:04 pm

Len as the number 2????? Goodness how weak this coming draft is!!

nahom1319 · Post #97 » by **nahom1319** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:46 pm

Haven't got around to watching the prospects yet but a guy I would love to check out (from his stats thus far and mixtapes) is Archie Goodwin. I know we have Demar and Ross but this guy seems to have an all around game that you don't often see from a wing.

Sterling_Archer · Post #98 » by **Sterling_Archer** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:12 am

I think Archie Goodwin is Derozan mixed with Ross. Which is a solid overall guy. I don't now much about his handles but he rebounds well and seems to have solid court vision as well. I don't know about his three point shooting he does not shoot it enough for it to really be something to hold his hat on. But he does everything well. I think Derozan with some Ross aspects makes sense. I think

TheFreshPrince · Post #99 » by **TheFreshPrince** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:00 am

Chaos Engine wrote:Shabazz keeps falling. We can't tank for this guy....

Plenty of guys have fallen and turned out great. Last year Harrison Barnes dropped much below his original projections coming into college. The same can be said for Rudy Gay back in 2006.

Sterling_Archer wrote:I think Archie Goodwin is Derozan mixed with Ross. Which is a solid overall guy. I don't now much about his handles but he rebounds well and seems to have solid court vision as well. I don't know about his three point shooting he does not shoot it enough for it to really be something to hold his hat on. But he does everything well. I think Derozan with some Ross aspects makes sense. I think

I said a while back Goodwin had a lot of DeRozan in his game. But he has an improved handle and jumpshot. Add those two assets to DeMar's game and you have everything you need offensively. It's how Archie is defensively that will tell if he's a star, or a tier below. Obviously, he'll probably never be a superstar though.

nahom1319 · Post #100 » by **nahom1319** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:21 am

TheFreshPrince wrote:I said a while back Goodwin had a lot of DeRozan in his game. But he has an improved handle and jumpshot. Add those two assets to DeMar's game and you have everything you need offensively. It's how Archie is defensively that will tell if he's a star, or a tier below. Obviously, he'll probably never be a superstar though.

Lest we forget his court vision. 4.4 asts in Calipari's dribble drive offense is nothing to sneeze at.

Who should the Raptors draft?