Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick

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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#81 » by torotoe » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:18 am

DusterBuster wrote:Fair or not, McGee isn't well regarded by anyone outside of the Nuggets it seems. His insanely low BBIQ turns off a lot of fans.


I happen to disagree with the bolded text. What you mean to say is that McGee is not popular among any RealGM fanbase, except for the Denver fanbase who is 50-50 on him. He's got actual value to NBA front offices, but I'd imagine he is a polarizing figure to them too.

McGee was traded straight up for Nene. Yes, he was on a small, one-year contract at the time, but it was known that he was due for a new deal. His contractual situation is less flexible, but for a big, it's really not a bad contract, and I don't think his value is much, if any, lower for it. His health and athleticism are very real and extremely coveted.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#82 » by sisibilio » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:56 am

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Young_Star11 wrote:Would hardly call McGee a market-value contract, not when he hasn't had the opportunity to justify it.



You may want to do some research on what young bigs who have shown the potential that McGee has get on th market, they all get at least 10 million a year, which is exactly what McGee is getting.

Mcgee is 25 and finishing his 5th season in the league, he's not that young anymore. And being outplayed by Kosta Koufos isn't exactly a good sign.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#83 » by sisibilio » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:00 am

torotoe wrote:McGee was traded straight up for Nene. Yes, he was on a small, one-year contract at the time, but it was known that he was due for a new deal. His contractual situation is less flexible, but for a big, it's really not a bad contract, and I don't think his value is much, if any, lower for it. His health and athleticism are very real and extremely coveted.

Nuggets wanting to get rid of Nene to open a spot for Faried (since Nene-Faried would never be a good fit) was the main reason for that trade though.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#84 » by sisibilio » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:11 am

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rugbyrugger23 wrote:1) S&T Pek for Batum (in July). Blaz need a center and seem to have Pek on their radar. Kahn wanted Batum and fits perfectly with Wolves who need a SF/SG type who can shoot and play some D and insurance for whatever AK decides to do.


Kahn couldn't strong-arm Portland into a S&T last summer and he certainly won't be able to do it again this summer.

In no way shape or form would the Blazers make that trade. If they want Pek for a deal starting at 11mil per, they'll offer him that contract and make the Wolves match. They certainly aren't trading a much younger core player like Batum for Pek. So your ideal Wolves summer is DOA on that alone.

So, so wrong. Blazers will NEVER have Pek WITHOUT a S&T. Payback is a b*tch! Kahn will match any Pek offer before letting him walk...and even more so with Blazers involved.

So if Blaz want a top tier center to pair with LMA, they will have to FA sign one not named Pek. But wait, Blaz already have 43mil payroll committed to 8 players. Well, I guess they either S&T an asset like Batum or Matthews or get use to a nice MLE grade center named Mozgov or Pachuila.

Cool, but forget Batum, maybe you could have Mathews if Shved is included in the deal.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#85 » by The Rebel » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:21 pm

sisibilio wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
Young_Star11 wrote:Would hardly call McGee a market-value contract, not when he hasn't had the opportunity to justify it.



You may want to do some research on what young bigs who have shown the potential that McGee has get on th market, they all get at least 10 million a year, which is exactly what McGee is getting.

Mcgee is 25 and finishing his 5th season in the league, he's not that young anymore. And being outplayed by Kosta Koufos isn't exactly a good sign.


I love how people who seem to know little or nothing about the Nuggets continue to slam Koufos, Koufos almost always outplays his opponents, so if he is so bad what does that say about the rest of the centers around the league? Koufos is a good defender, smart on offense, and when you look at advanced stats it shows just how effective he is, plus he does not need touches. Considering he is on a team with 3 guys in the starting lineup that play best with the ball in their hands, Koufos is the perfect fit as a starter for the needs of the Nuggets, and is a very underrated player especially on this board.

As for McGee's development, or lack there of, there was a rumor out of DC that the Wizards refused to even provide a big man coach for McGee, so far the Wizards have yet to have one player that has reached their potential over the last few years. McGee maybe getting less minutes on the Nuggets then he has in his career, but his per minute numbers are up almost across the board, his advanced stats are all improving, and for the 1st time in his career he is showing a positive plus minus on the court. He is now developing fine, and with the fact that many bigs take longer to develop in the NBA he still has a chance to be a damn good starter. However the fact is McGee works well with the bench due to his ability to finish, and get some touches in the post, he works well with a bench that has limited scoring and needs his offense right now.

As I have said several times, people can speculate and underrate both McGee and Koufos all they want on this board, but I have seen nothing to say that the Nuggets were willing to even discuss either one in trades, and if either one of them get traded I have a feeling several people in this thread and on this board are going to be eating a lot of crow with the laughable offers I see around here.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#86 » by sisibilio » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:23 pm

I have nothing against Koufos, quite the contrary, i've been a fan of him since the european u18 tournament where he was MVP and i'm glad he has finally found his groove, but, unless you think he's a max player, being outplayed by him means Mcgee is probably not worth his contract at all.

The Rebel wrote:As for McGee's development, or lack there of, there was a rumor out of DC that the Wizards refused to even provide a big man coach for McGee, so far the Wizards have yet to have one player that has reached their potential over the last few years.

John Wall seems to be doing fine lately.
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Post#87 » by The Rebel » Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:16 pm

sisibilio wrote:I have nothing against Koufos, quite the contrary, i've been a fan of him since the european u18 tournament where he was MVP and i'm glad he has finally found his groove, but, unless you think he's a max player, being outplayed by him means Mcgee is probably not worth his contract at all.


Everybody knows when guys like McGee sign their 2nd contracts that they are not worth the money they get, the hope is they grow into their deal, and are a good value contract by their 2nd or 3rd year. Given McGee's growth in denver, I would say he is on track to be a good value by the 3rd year of his deal.

Look at it this way Deandre Jordan is paid basically the same as mcGee, McGee is a much better all around player on both ends, according to stats and the eye test, yet because he is a starter nobody really complains about his contract. What do you think is more important who starts or who produces more, personally I will take the production.

As for Koufos, it is easy to see he is underpaid, Asik just got $8.3 per year for providing slightly better rebounding, similar defense, and worse offense. He is better then both Jordan and Mcgee right now but is not as athletic and does not have as high of a ceiling, so I don't think it is a stretch to say that Koufos should be making in the same neighborhood $9-11 million a year. Which puts him on the same level as McGee, Jordan, and higher then Asik.
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The Rebel wrote:As for McGee's development, or lack there of, there was a rumor out of DC that the Wizards refused to even provide a big man coach for McGee, so far the Wizards have yet to have one player that has reached their potential over the last few years.

John Wall seems to be doing fine lately.


John Wall has been doing fine since he joined the league, in fact the same fine he is doing this year. In other words nothing I see about his game shows he has been developed one bit in Washington.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#88 » by sisibilio » Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:20 pm

Ummm, no, the Wall of the last few weeks is light years ahead of the one that played in the past seasons, the only question is if he can sustain this kind of play.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#89 » by BadWolf » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:20 pm

Nobody complains about Jordan? He's ovepaid and a huge liability from the line, so he's on the bench in moments that count.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#90 » by Charsace » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:47 pm

LApwnd wrote:Mcgee/Hamilton/Gallo
for
Cousins/Salmons

bad contract for bad contract with mcgee/salmon swap.

Den-has the makeup to overcome Cousin bad attitude on the court, due to their winning ways and tenured vet. Coach Karl. Salmons could theoretically be like Gallo type player with a core like Den currently has.

Sac-dumps their troublesome idiot for a less trouble some although equally unimpressive IQ player in Mcgee, Gallo becomes another solid floor spacing player to clearup paint congestion for Isiah/Evans to drive and kick more often.

Terrible trade for denver.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#91 » by ardee » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:10 pm

Why is everyone already giving up on McGee? There's a reason Karl is limiting his time, he sees his potential and wants to develop him slowly.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#92 » by DRK » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:26 pm

JaVale and Hamilton for Gortat and Scola?
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Post#93 » by eslr » Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:49 pm

sisibilio wrote:Mcgee is 25 and finishing his 5th season in the league, he's not that young anymore. And being outplayed by Kosta Koufos isn't exactly a good sign.

Being outplayed by Kosta Koufos is nothing to be ashamed about. He is a young C putting up a PER of 18 with FANTASTIC advanced stats. Possibly the most underrated player in the league.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#94 » by eslr » Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:53 pm

DRK wrote:JaVale and Hamilton for Gortat and Scola?


How much do we have to pay Scola? I'd do this I think. Hate to give up on Hamilton because I think he has a very high ceiling, but this would make the Nuggets front court pretty deadly. Doubt Scola would play much ahead of Faried or Chandler though.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#95 » by DRK » Tue Apr 2, 2013 8:02 am

eslr wrote:
DRK wrote:JaVale and Hamilton for Gortat and Scola?


How much do we have to pay Scola? I'd do this I think. Hate to give up on Hamilton because I think he has a very high ceiling, but this would make the Nuggets front court pretty deadly. Doubt Scola would play much ahead of Faried or Chandler though.


Another 4mill for two seasons after this one. Very reasonable contract.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#96 » by HotrodBeaubois » Tue Apr 2, 2013 9:40 am

DRK wrote:
eslr wrote:
DRK wrote:JaVale and Hamilton for Gortat and Scola?


How much do we have to pay Scola? I'd do this I think. Hate to give up on Hamilton because I think he has a very high ceiling, but this would make the Nuggets front court pretty deadly. Doubt Scola would play much ahead of Faried or Chandler though.


Another 4mill for two seasons after this one. Very reasonable contract.



Cant trade amnesty pickups.
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Post#97 » by fishercob » Tue Apr 2, 2013 1:50 pm

HotrodBeaubois wrote:

Cant trade amnesty pickups.


I think you can after a year, just not back to the team that amnestied them.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#98 » by rsavaj » Tue Apr 2, 2013 4:48 pm

fishercob wrote:
HotrodBeaubois wrote:

Cant trade amnesty pickups.


I think you can after a year, just not back to the team that amnestied them.


Scola can be traded after July 1st.

I think Scola and Gortat for McGee and Hamilton is a fair deal. Denver's frontcourt would be scary.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#99 » by Village Idiot » Wed Apr 3, 2013 11:35 am

Denver trades:

JaVale McGee
#27 pick

Denver receives:

#12 pick
Brandon Roy - not guaranteed
Greg Stiemsma - not guaranteed
Joel Freeland

Denver essentially cuts $7 million in salary obligations next season and moves up into the late lottery. Freeland could be waived with or new salary in Europe reducing his cap hit or they could use the stretch provision on him to free-up more cap-space.

Minnesota trades:

#6-10 pick
Brandon Roy - not guaranteed
Greg Stiemsma - not guaranteed

Minnesota receives:

Wesley Matthews
Victor Claver
#27 pick

The T-Wolves get their starting SG who can shoot and defend and is on a very reasonable contract instead of trying to draft a prospect. Claver has proven to be a cheap and capable combo forward and is a fellow Spaniard for Rubio.

Portland trades:

#12 pick
Wesley Matthews
Victor Claver
Joel Freeland

Portland receives:

#6-10 pick
JaVale McGee

Portland fulfills their stated goal of getting a defensive anchor and cross their fingers and toes that McGee continues to mature and gain basketball IQ. With the higher pick they draft Oladipo or Potter. They still have plenty of cap-space with which to acquire a new starting SG (Evans, Reddick, Iguodala or Mayo) and fill out the pathetic bench.
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Re: Javale Mcgee for a bad contract and draft pick 

Post#100 » by The Rebel » Wed Apr 3, 2013 1:50 pm

I don't see the Nuggets salary dumping McGee just to move up to a late lotto pick.

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