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tecumseh18 wrote:Does not picking Drummond in the draft count? That started a downward spiral for me resulting in my becoming a seething cesspool of resentment and mistrust. Not just toward this team, but in life generally.
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Reignman wrote:Sn0wman wrote:6) Demar still sucks, no handles, can't drive in the lane, no 3pt shot. Needs to study more Drew League tape
Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Demar can't drive in the lane? Do you think he's top 15 in FT attempts by magic? Also, he might not have yo-yo handles but Demar's handle is fine, that's why his turnovers are average for his position even though his usage is very high. And you should see his shooting % in the lane/paint, it's very good. You don't get to do that if you have "no handles" and "can't drive in the lane".
And his 3 pt shot might be poor at 28% but he's steadily climbing.
Ah, what's the point, carry on.
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:I don't know, but I'm kind of pissed we won't likely be having a pick this year, unless we trade for one. It's a weak draft, I know, but the draft is one of the more fun things to follow over the course of an NBA season. Not having one kind of sucks in that regard.
JWiLL02 wrote:FluLikeSymptoms wrote:If we hadn't signed DeMar, we could have blown everything up and refocused on building around JV after seeing that he is the goods. No DeMar, no Rudy- of course not. With DeMar, might as well get Rudy. Screwed anyway.
DD's contract put one foot onto the treadmill and there was no reason whatsoever to offer it- his is the only deal to run past 2015 and he is pretty much the last type of wing I'd want on the court with JV. Signing this deal after drafting Ross to play SG right away was doubly perplexing.
On the court, I would say that going with Aaron Gray over JV in any situation angered me but the Laker game topped everything. I was embarrassed for DC, so many people watched that game and saw how dumb he can be. Inserting Gray over JV was silly enough, but begging Gray to trap Kobe was just sad.
What leads you to believe that "just blow everything up" was even an option? Or that BC would have any ability to execute on that? This team had missed the playoffs for 5 straight seasons, we weren't going to blow anything up at that point.
Clearly nobody is happy with the resulting season, but blowing it up and rebuilding around JV is fantasy. And as big of a JV fan as I am, it's a pretty terrible idea as well.
Reignman wrote:Wham! wrote:When BC defended himself in his PC by citing increased winning percentages over the last 3 seasons, proving he is intellectually dishonest to the core...and knowing this is the guy who has been running my beloved team for 7 years.
I still don't understand what was "intellectually dishonest" about his statement. It was basic math, the % of wins out of the full season. He was right. Everyone uses winning % when talking about ball. I mean, all this talk about playing .500 ball is exactly the same thing.
tecumseh18 wrote:Does not picking Drummond in the draft count? That started a downward spiral for me resulting in my becoming a seething cesspool of resentment and mistrust. Not just toward this team, but in life generally.
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FluLikeSymptoms wrote:JWiLL02 wrote:FluLikeSymptoms wrote:If we hadn't signed DeMar, we could have blown everything up and refocused on building around JV after seeing that he is the goods. No DeMar, no Rudy- of course not. With DeMar, might as well get Rudy. Screwed anyway.
DD's contract put one foot onto the treadmill and there was no reason whatsoever to offer it- his is the only deal to run past 2015 and he is pretty much the last type of wing I'd want on the court with JV. Signing this deal after drafting Ross to play SG right away was doubly perplexing.
On the court, I would say that going with Aaron Gray over JV in any situation angered me but the Laker game topped everything. I was embarrassed for DC, so many people watched that game and saw how dumb he can be. Inserting Gray over JV was silly enough, but begging Gray to trap Kobe was just sad.
What leads you to believe that "just blow everything up" was even an option? Or that BC would have any ability to execute on that? This team had missed the playoffs for 5 straight seasons, we weren't going to blow anything up at that point.
Clearly nobody is happy with the resulting season, but blowing it up and rebuilding around JV is fantasy. And as big of a JV fan as I am, it's a pretty terrible idea as well.
I didn't make my time frame clear. I don't mean we should have blown things up instead of offering the extension. I was thinking of the team after that 4-19 start, after the accelerated fail. At that point, if DeMar was not locked up, I think you scrap everything and we should have had that option- AB's contract in itself was not a killer but adding DD, another immovable contract, meant we were pot-committed. We became buyers, and now we're stuck with what we've got for the next couple years.
JV is not all-world but he's a massive piece. Crappy bigs are being fazed out but good bigs are not- in fact, they're even more valuable now than ever and you can't find guys like him anywhere. You can't tell me that we're better off the way we are than we would be if we had been sellers rather than buyers this past winter. No chance. We would not necessarily be able to build a better team than the treadmill team we've got, but there is a chance it could have been done right- and somebody capable of doing it right might have been interested in the Pres/GM job.
fredericklove wrote:Casey for sure, it's frustrating to watch him troll our lineup night in night out. BC too, as always. He speeds up our rebuilding model, no offense to Jonas (I'm a big fan) but it's not like we just drafted a Irving, or Davis, a star in the making, then surround him with win now players. We speed things way too fast. I'm not pissed off by Andrea, he is what he is. There's no surprise there.
fredericklove wrote:Casey for sure, it's frustrating to watch him troll our lineup night in night out. BC too, as always. He speeds up our rebuilding model, no offense to Jonas (I'm a big fan) but it's not like we just drafted a Irving, or Davis, a star in the making, then surround him with win now players. We speed things way too fast. I'm not pissed off by Andrea, he is what he is. There's no surprise there.
mirrornick wrote:fredericklove wrote:Casey for sure, it's frustrating to watch him troll our lineup night in night out. BC too, as always. He speeds up our rebuilding model, no offense to Jonas (I'm a big fan) but it's not like we just drafted a Irving, or Davis, a star in the making, then surround him with win now players. We speed things way too fast. I'm not pissed off by Andrea, he is what he is. There's no surprise there.
Do you blame Dwane Casey for hindering DD's development in 2011-2012? Not a lot of people seem to think so. Everyone expected DD to have a breakout year, but as soon as Casey got hired, DD slowly got worse.
Wham! wrote:Reignman wrote:Wham! wrote:When BC defended himself in his PC by citing increased winning percentages over the last 3 seasons, proving he is intellectually dishonest to the core...and knowing this is the guy who has been running my beloved team for 7 years.
I still don't understand what was "intellectually dishonest" about his statement. It was basic math, the % of wins out of the full season. He was right. Everyone uses winning % when talking about ball. I mean, all this talk about playing .500 ball is exactly the same thing.
Surely you jest. The minute improvement he cited was a result of a 5 game win streak in the last 5, meaningless games of the season. What he did is the epitome of intellectually dishonest...he's taking the position we've improved, completely ignoring the context of the 'improvement' just to suit his agenda. The worst part about it is the lack of subtlety though...a complete grasping at to a 23-43straws...as a fan it was insulting. I'm sure I'm not alone.
