Officiating in the NBA

chuckdevlin · Post #81 » by **chuckdevlin** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:00 pm

Hey, I had all confidence in the team until I read who the refs were this morning. I agree with Jack. Jack is not whining, its bull. We played garbage but we had it tied in the 4th, 12 mins with no calls. bull.

Easy series with calls from the refs. We had it going in the 4th like usual, but the no-calls took out our mojo. This bkn team is not that great. I do think they will be elite when they can use KG and Pierce's cap space to build around Lopez/Plumlee/Joe /Deron

dTox · Post #82 » by **dTox** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:02 pm

The Nets were the better team today, end of story

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Rapsobsessed7 · Post #83 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:02 pm

Hero wrote:Reffing was fine. Please be realistic and fair.

Fine? Pretty much everyone (beat writers for both & analysts) said it was a brutally officiated game on BOTH sides. My problem is the Pierce travel that was blatantly obvious and yet it gets ignored. I don't care if they want to call the game bad on both sides like they did leading up to the 4th. My problem was again that an obvious call wasn't made when even the other teams writers are saying how obvious it was.

Walid · Post #84 » by **Walid** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:02 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:
Walid wrote:We need to stop embarrassing ourselves. Enough with complaining about the officiating.

Look when even the Nets beat writers are saying it was a blatant travel there's an issue.

I thought Kyle flipped on Derons charge so I'm not saying the refs were completely on Torontos side. I'm saying the way the 4th quarter was handled was awful. That play ends up being a huge turning point. Overall it was bad on both sides until the 4th where it seemed everything went against Toronto.

Bucher and the Nets beat writer have no affiliation with the Raptors and they are the ones noticing how bad it is.

Although those are noteworthy, it does not take away from the fact that this team needn't rely on the officiating to get us through the game. We were up 76-75 and couldn't close out. It was our horrible defense. Even more, our offense was so poorly constructed, holding the ball at the top of the 3 point line until the shot clock was under 5 multiple times and having isolations for the primary ball handler every time. Weak cutting, lack of screens from off-ball players, and boxing out were majors issues on the offensive end.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #85 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:04 pm

Walid wrote:We need to stop embarrassing ourselves. Enough with complaining about the officiating.

Again, explain to me how you miss the travel? I don't care overall how it was handled because it was horrendous on both sides. What's embarrassing is letting a blatantly missed call like that decide the fate of the game.

VanDamme · Post #86 » by **VanDamme** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:04 pm

We need to start playing better before we start complaining about the whistle. Not the other way around. We played ourselves out of this one. If the refs cost us a game it would be different.

Let's go Raps, games 2,3,5,6 are ours.

Hero · Post #87 » by **Hero** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:04 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:
Hero wrote:Reffing was fine. Please be realistic and fair.

Fine? Pretty much everyone (beat writers for both & analysts) said it was a brutally officiated game on BOTH sides. My problem is the Pierce travel that was blatantly obvious and yet it gets ignored. I don't care if they want to call the game bad on both sides like they did leading up to the 4th. My problem was again that an obvious call wasn't made when even the other teams writers are saying how obvious it was.

That's what I mean. It wasn't blatantly unfair to either side. There's always going to be bad calls. This is the NBA. It's tough to ref. It could be much much worse than today.

basketball royalty · Post #88 » by **basketball royalty** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:04 pm

One thing I know I can feel fine complaining about with the refs is that we get ticky tac foul calls while Paul Pierce is allowed to defend entirely with his hands. Look, if you fn refs aren"t gonna call it on them don't call that ish on us.

WaltFrazier · Post #89 » by **WaltFrazier** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:06 pm

Zero fouls called on the Nets in the 4th. End of story.

Read Tim Donaghey's book. It's a rigged league. Anyone expecting a fair contest in the NBA playoffs, is naive.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #90 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:09 pm

Hero wrote:
Rapsobsessed7 wrote:
Hero wrote:Reffing was fine. Please be realistic and fair.

Fine? Pretty much everyone (beat writers for both & analysts) said it was a brutally officiated game on BOTH sides. My problem is the Pierce travel that was blatantly obvious and yet it gets ignored. I don't care if they want to call the game bad on both sides like they did leading up to the 4th. My problem was again that an obvious call wasn't made when even the other teams writers are saying how obvious it was.

That's what I mean. It wasn't blatantly unfair to either side. There's always going to be bad calls. This is the NBA. It's tough to ref. It could be much much worse than today.

Much worse? There wasn't a single foul against the Nets in the 4th. Up to that point that were consistently bad on both sides. End of game however it changed. The Pierce travel pushes the lead to 5 instead of 3. With Toronto getting the ball back. That's a huge difference. If it can get worse than today then people shouldn't have jobs because it's going to lead to injuries.

m83588333 · Post #91 » by **m83588333** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:10 pm

Raptors have to sink buckets to get calls. Refs don't bail player out post season. DD needs to concentrate on finishing vs getting calls.

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agentzero2010 · Post #92 » by **agentzero2010** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:16 pm

just the fourth quarter alone:

KG should have gotten a 3 second violation before he made his jumper
Pierce should have be charged with a traveling violation on his drive to the hoop
KG pushed JV out of bounds when he was trying to save the ball
0 fouls against the nets in 4th quarter and it wasnt like the raptors weren't attack the basket

The raptors can't rely on the refs to help them, they have to help themselves by moving the ball, taking good shots and limiting their turnovers.

cruwinas · Post #93 » by **cruwinas** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:25 pm

The OP is 100% on point here. Reffing got much worse slowly, after league expanded to current 30 teams format. Referees now are not an unbiased sports event judges, bet the puppet masters. Example - skating competitions. Basketball is not a soccer, couple calls here, couple calls there - and result is achieved.

LeetGoose · Post #94 » by **LeetGoose** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:29 pm

The reffing seemed relatively even through the first 3 quarters, but not a single foul was called on Brooklyn in the entire 4th quarter. I don't think that's ever happened before in the 4th quarter of an NBA playoff game.

bballsparkin · Post #95 » by **bballsparkin** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:38 pm

industry_killer wrote:The refs were fine today they called the game the raps played. Were there some iffy calls sure but that is every game. The raps simply didn't put enough pressure on the Nets in the fourth to get the calls they needed. The raps started to play to look for fouls instead of playing to score.

Didn't the Raptors not get one call in the fourth? Jack was pretty vocal about it. But we knew the officiating would be biased towards the flashy new big US market with veteran players like PP, KG, DW, and JJ. The Raptors need to play better. Plus like said above, the reffing will be worse in Brooklyn.

tommer · Post #96 » by **tommer** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:46 pm

KG appeared to get a couple of clear reputation calls/non-calls against Jonas. I feel confident saying JV doesn't get those calls if the roles are reversed.

Post #97 » by **Schad** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:49 pm

The only reason we were in the game at the half? We had twenty free throws. Plumlee, who had been a difference-maker whenever he replaced Blatche, had to head straight back to the bench twice. Don't give me this bull about the referees being biased against the Raptors...there were a couple bad calls late, absolutely, but for the first forty minutes the refs did more for us than most of our **** rotation.

RaptorReloaded · Post #98 » by **RaptorReloaded** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:51 pm

You guys are fuuuucked if you didn't think this game wasn't bias. We were hand checked and pushed every play. When we bumped or touched them immediate whistle. Complete BS. That 4th was extremely suspect. We'd get close then get a foul. Get hand checked and stripped then get a lay up on the other end. Pierce blatantly traveled. The only credit I'll give Brooklyn is that shot by KG followed by that Pierce turnaround fade away. Congratulations but besides that the refs had the game in their control and there was no way we'd win unless we went off on offense and their calls couldn't keep up.

Randle McMurphy · Post #99 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:52 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:The only reason we were in the game at the half? We had twenty free throws. Plumlee, who had been a difference-maker whenever he replaced Blatche, had to head straight back to the bench twice. Don't give me this bull about the referees being biased against the Raptors...there were a couple bad calls late, absolutely, but for the first forty minutes the refs did more for us than most of our **** rotation.

Yeah, there really wasn't much to whine about with regard to the refereeing. I think we've all seen far worse than this (and I would expect worse when this series goes to Brooklyn).

bballsparkin · Post #100 » by **bballsparkin** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:52 pm

And I mentioned this in the PG thread. The late whistle on DeMar when he was driving and got bumped hard and landed on his back. The ref watched him land on his back and then almost reluctantly decided, yep that's a foul. If this same play happened to D Will the refs would be blowing their loads trying to be the fastest ref to blow the whistle. That to me shows blatant bias and is only one example outside of no calls in the 4th. If the Raptors want to win this series they need to ignore the officiating and play all the harder.