Trade for Aaron Affalo ?

MasterIchiro · Post #81 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue May 27, 2014 10:11 am

Radu,

I love Stauskas. I wouldn't even trade 9 for Afflalo + 12 because Denver would grab Stauskas at 11 and we'd miss our guy.

Assuming Kemba, Al Jefferson and MKG start, I really don't like a SG next to Kemba who is not a ball handler because then we have to get ball handling from the PF position which is ridiculous.

Pick 21 from OKC is like a lottery pick last year and a mid-first most any other draft. That would be a great get for 2 years of Afflalo.

I'm hoping to trade Gary Neal + 24 for pick 21.

That would be a better deal for OKC because Neal is cheaper, a better ball handler and comes with a comparable player 3 picks away.

Afflalo is comparable to Kevin Martin and OKC already tried that route. I'd give them Neal to score off their bench. I really want to move up 3 spots from 24 because at 21 I think it'd be easier to pluck out an NBA starter.

Payne would be amazing there.

Imagine drafting Stauskas and Payne.

Fred Williamson · Post #82 » by **Fred Williamson** » Tue May 27, 2014 10:36 am

HeartAndHustle wrote:Lets trade our best player for garbage players playing for a garbage franchise. Makes sense.

If the Charlotte Hornets are a garbage franchise, then what are the Orlando Magic?

Radu_Hornets · Post #83 » by **Radu_Hornets** » Tue May 27, 2014 11:03 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Radu,

I love Stauskas. I wouldn't even trade 9 for Afflalo + 12 because Denver would grab Stauskas at 11 and we'd miss our guy.

Imagine drafting Stauskas and Payne.

I really hope we won't pass on Stauskas. I have to admit that he is my favorite fit for the team.

And for Payne, I think he would be good for the team. To push Cody up a bit. And Payne apparently have endurance issues, so he would require at max 10 min per game if his issue isn't cure by then. So Cody would still have playing time any way.

I can see Mcbob: 20 Cody: 20 Payne: 8 in the beginning of the season.

SloNick Russia · Post #84 » by **SloNick Russia** » Tue May 27, 2014 11:31 am

I wonder if Smart/Gordon/Vonleh/Randle will fall to the 9th pick. If so, I would do this trade

That was my draft day trade idea. If one of Gordon/Vonleh/Randle is available at 9 we go AA + 12 for 9 + 24 Hornets need wings badly, not only they will get AA but one of Harris/Stauskas/McDermott/Hood will still be available at 12.

ralphie9898 · Post #85 » by **ralphie9898** » Tue May 27, 2014 11:43 am

thelead wrote:
Viper1500 wrote:#9

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I don't think AA by himself would land us the 9th pick. I think his value is more around 14-20. I Think we would have to include the 12th pick to land the 9th but would also get more like their 24th pick.

tiderulz · Post #86 » by **tiderulz** » Tue May 27, 2014 11:49 am

Radu_Bobcats wrote:
Regarding our young core... I won't judge you since you probably never saw one of our games, but It would be unfair to say that Kemba-MKG-Zeller-Biyombo are "mediocre".

MKG, Biyombo and Zeller are very mediocre. Now they are young (or not in Biyombo's case, dont know how old he really is) and they may and should improve, but they are extremely mediocre right now. Biyombo cant shoot and cant stay on the court that long .MKG cant shoot, Zeller still adjusting to the NBA.

so yes, maybe to you they arent, but to the rest of the league they are.

tiderulz · Post #87 » by **tiderulz** » Tue May 27, 2014 11:51 am

Radu_Bobcats wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Radu,

I love Stauskas. I wouldn't even trade 9 for Afflalo + 12 because Denver would grab Stauskas at 11 and we'd miss our guy.

Imagine drafting Stauskas and Payne.

I really hope we won't pass on Stauskas. I have to admit that he is my favorite fit for the team.

And for Payne, I think he would be good for the team. To push Cody up a bit. And Payne apparently have endurance issues, so he would require at max 10 min per game if his issue isn't cure by then. So Cody would still have playing time any way.

I can see Mcbob: 20 Cody: 20 Payne: 8 in the beginning of the season.

you realize Payne's issue is undersized lungs right? there isnt a cure for that.

tiderulz · Post #88 » by **tiderulz** » Tue May 27, 2014 11:53 am

Fred Williamson wrote:
HeartAndHustle wrote:Lets trade our best player for garbage players playing for a garbage franchise. Makes sense.

If the Charlotte Hornets are a garbage franchise, then what are the Orlando Magic?

Has your team made it to the finals........?

When was the last time it made it.....?

made the conference championships.....?

take your #$@# back to your own board.

tiderulz · Post #89 » by **tiderulz** » Tue May 27, 2014 11:55 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Afflalo is comparable to Kevin Martin and OKC already tried that route. I'd give them Neal to score off their bench. I really want to move up 3 spots from 24 because at 21 I think it'd be easier to pluck out an NBA starter.

the only thing i would say here, AA is a 2-way player, Martin isnt nor has never been. AA has been the #1 option and also the #3 option. Martin has always been the #1 or #2 option until OKC. not sure if he has made the transition to being a role player yet.

SloNick Russia · Post #90 » by **SloNick Russia** » Tue May 27, 2014 12:27 pm

Our tanking days are likely over, there is no need to dump vets anymore, if there is no market for AA we can just keep him for ourselves. I believe that playoffs are well in our reach next season.

HeartAndHustle · Post #91 » by **HeartAndHustle** » Tue May 27, 2014 12:30 pm

Fred Williamson wrote:
HeartAndHustle wrote:Lets trade our best player for garbage players playing for a garbage franchise. Makes sense.

If the Charlotte Hornets are a garbage franchise, then what are the Orlando Magic?

Hey Fred, sorry, I shouldn't have stooped so low on that post, and I thought about deleting after I sent it, but since you responded, I'll play.

For turds and giggles, lets partake in an early morning pissing match and just look at some basic numbers for our 2 franchise's relatively short histories.

Orlando Magic: 25 years in existence
16 Seasons Above or at .500
Played in 25 playoff series
Won 57 Playoff games

Charlotte Bobcats: 10 years in existence
2 Seasons Above or at .500
Played in 2 playoff series (first one were swept by Magic)
Won 0 Playoff games

Radu_Hornets · Post #92 » by **Radu_Hornets** » Tue May 27, 2014 12:31 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Radu_Bobcats wrote:
Regarding our young core... I won't judge you since you probably never saw one of our games, but It would be unfair to say that Kemba-MKG-Zeller-Biyombo are "mediocre".

MKG, Biyombo and Zeller are very mediocre. Now they are young (or not in Biyombo's case, dont know how old he really is) and they may and should improve, but they are extremely mediocre right now. Biyombo cant shoot and cant stay on the court that long .MKG cant shoot, Zeller still adjusting to the NBA.

so yes, maybe to you they arent, but to the rest of the league they are.

- Biyombo is statistically the best rim protector in the league.

- Noah, Marion have a bad look jump shoot, and still manage to be efficient in the league. Moreover MKG is far to be limited to his jumpshoot anyway. Call me when one of your player will have the defensive presence MKG has when he is on the floor who is only 20 years old.

- Zeller was a rookie that was forced to move to stretch 4, as you said, he is still adjusting to the NBA. I admit he was mediocre the first half of the season, but he was starting to get his **** together 2 second half. I expect a lot of improvement from him this offseason.

PS: Valuing a player is not limited to how many points he puts on the scoreboard.

Fred Williamson · Post #93 » by **Fred Williamson** » Tue May 27, 2014 12:31 pm

HeartAndHustle wrote:
Fred Williamson wrote:
HeartAndHustle wrote:Lets trade our best player for garbage players playing for a garbage franchise. Makes sense.

If the Charlotte Hornets are a garbage franchise, then what are the Orlando Magic?

Hey Fred, sorry, I shouldn't have stooped so low on that post, and I thought about deleting after I sent it, but since you responded, I'll play.

For sh*ts and giggles, lets partake in an early morning pissing match and just look at some basic numbers for our 2 franchise's relatively short histories.

Orlando Magic: 25 years in existence
16 Seasons Above or at .500
Played in 25 playoff series
Won 57 Playoff games

Charlotte Bobcats: 10 years in existence
2 Seasons Above or at .500
Played in 2 playoff series (first one were swept by Magic)
Won 0 Playoff games

But we are the Hornets?

SloNick Russia · Post #94 » by **SloNick Russia** » Tue May 27, 2014 12:38 pm

Call me when one of your player will have the defensive presence MKG has when he is on the floor who is only 20 years old.

Moe Harkless is 4 month older with basicly identical stats. He can even shoot some 3s.

HeartAndHustle · Post #95 » by **HeartAndHustle** » Tue May 27, 2014 12:38 pm

Fred Williamson wrote:
HeartAndHustle wrote:
Fred Williamson wrote:
If the Charlotte Hornets are a garbage franchise, then what are the Orlando Magic?

Hey Fred, sorry, I shouldn't have stooped so low on that post, and I thought about deleting after I sent it, but since you responded, I'll play.

For sh*ts and giggles, lets partake in an early morning pissing match and just look at some basic numbers for our 2 franchise's relatively short histories.

Orlando Magic: 25 years in existence
16 Seasons Above or at .500
Played in 25 playoff series
Won 57 Playoff games

Charlotte Bobcats: 10 years in existence
2 Seasons Above or at .500
Played in 2 playoff series (first one were swept by Magic)
Won 0 Playoff games

But we are the Hornets?

Come on silly, that's just a matter semantics. 'The franchise formerly known as the bobcats'. Is that better?

KembaWalker · Post #96 » by **KembaWalker** » Tue May 27, 2014 12:52 pm

9 for Afflalo in this draft would be a horrible trade. Whoever we draft at 9 will be better than Afflalo is right now within 2-3 years and then for 10 yrs going forward. No need to be hostile :crazy:

Post #97 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue May 27, 2014 12:57 pm

Kind of amusing to see the Hornets criticized as a terrible franchise with no vision and then in the same thread it being argued that they should trade a top 10 pick and potentially last year's 4 pick for a rental of a vet to help in one or two playoff runs.

tiderulz · Post #98 » by **tiderulz** » Tue May 27, 2014 1:10 pm

When did this become the Hornets board? You had a Charlotte fan come over and offer us bad returns for AA and we decline. Kindly move on please.

tiderulz · Post #99 » by **tiderulz** » Tue May 27, 2014 1:11 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Kind of amusing to see the Hornets criticized as a terrible franchise with no vision and then in the same thread it being argued that they should trade a top 10 pick and potentially last year's 4 pick for a rental of a vet to help in one or two playoff runs.

i agree. not good trading partners.

HeartAndHustle · Post #100 » by **HeartAndHustle** » Tue May 27, 2014 1:14 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Kind of amusing to see the Hornets criticized as a terrible franchise with no vision and then in the same thread it being argued that they should trade a top 10 pick and potentially last year's 4 pick for a rental of a vet to help in one or two playoff runs.

I dont think anyone was sugesting trading him straight up for #9. I think it was #12 + Afflalo for #9. Which I believe would be more than fair. You know, Afflalo is an established SG who scored almost 20 PPG last year and was pretty effecient doing so, and can be a pretty tough defender. I'm not sure Doug McDermott will ever sniff that kind of production in the NBA.