76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Drills

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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#81 » by Mik317 » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:41 am

Bubstubbler wrote:Blake Griffin put up 22/12 as a rookie, and Embiid is significantly better. As rookies: Duncan put up 21/12, Hakeem put up 21/12, Robinson put up 24/12, Mourning put up 21/10, and Shaq put up 23/14.

Philly is lacking in stud offensive talent, so Embiid should have plenty of touches next year. He'll probably be (and should be) their #1 option, and be very efficient at it.

He's an all-time-great prospect. He put up historic numbers as a freshman center (only matched by Robinson/Mourning/Hakeem/Ewing/Oden), and yet he's a guy who is actually a far better prospect than his numbers show (since he only started playing organized basketball about 3 years ago and is improving at an astounding rate).

The foul trouble was a non story, since his freshman year was a bizarro year in college basketball due to the change in how fouls were called that year: half the fouls called on him probably wouldn't have been called in previous years, and certainly wouldn't have been called in the NBA.

I remain of the thinking that many of the posters here will poop themselves when they realize how good Embiid actually is. If he's healthy, he's going to take the league by storm: he's got inside moves, good mid-range touch, and a sweet perimeter stroke; good ball handling, good passing, good court vision, and quick thinking ability, plus he's highly coordinated, athletic, long, able to anticipate, has a strong desire to win/dominate, is an extremely fast learner, and has great intuition on defense. The guy's potential is surreal.

To be fair...it will be a pretty big IF, that he is healthy.

Especially if he is out here scarfing down 20 big mac a day (jk)

But no seriously, I don't think it is a lock that he comes into the league and puts up all star numbers from jump...not with our team as is especially.
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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#82 » by Unbreakable99 » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:41 am

laika wrote:It's starting to turn into a worst case scenario for Philly.

MCW sucks. Noel has been truly horrible. Embiid has a lousy work ethic and could still be injury prone. No one else has stepped up at all.


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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#83 » by WhatsaTDot » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:05 am

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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#84 » by j_n » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:50 am

Bubstubbler wrote:He's an all-time-great prospect. He put up historic numbers as a freshman center (only matched by Robinson/Mourning/Hakeem/Ewing/Oden), and yet he's a guy who is actually a far better prospect than his numbers show (since he only started playing organized basketball about 3 years ago and is improving at an astounding rate).

I guess you mean his per 40 numbers based on an article that compared him to these guys right?

There are plenty of players that had comperable numbers to Embiid and didnt do much in the NBA:
Embiid per 40: 19.4/14/4.5

Whiteside: 20.1/13.4/8.2

Eddie Griffin: 21.8/13.2/5.4

Tyrus Thomas: 19.1/14.2/4.8

Tony Mitchell: 20.1/14.1/4.1

And probably many others that you can find if you took the time, looking at stats in some arbitrary way to make guys look better usually results in disappointments.
I like Embiid and I think if healthy he could be a future all start and maybe even a HOF player down the road but its far from a sure thing.
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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#85 » by Peja Stojakovic » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:59 am

300 isn't that fat for a 7-footer. it's pretty bad for a 7-footer with a foot injury though. philly should watch his minutes
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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#86 » by JB1089 » Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:11 am

So, he needs to drop 20-30 lbs?


How many tweets would that take?
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Post#87 » by GallagherArt » Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:48 am

j_n wrote:
Bubstubbler wrote:He's an all-time-great prospect. He put up historic numbers as a freshman center (only matched by Robinson/Mourning/Hakeem/Ewing/Oden), and yet he's a guy who is actually a far better prospect than his numbers show (since he only started playing organized basketball about 3 years ago and is improving at an astounding rate).

I guess you mean his per 40 numbers based on an article that compared him to these guys right?

There are plenty of players that had comperable numbers to Embiid and didnt do much in the NBA:
Embiid per 40: 19.4/14/4.5

Whiteside: 20.1/13.4/8.2

Eddie Griffin: 21.8/13.2/5.4

Tyrus Thomas: 19.1/14.2/4.8

Tony Mitchell: 20.1/14.1/4.1

And probably many others that you can find if you took the time, looking at stats in some arbitrary way to make guys look better usually results in disappointments.
I like Embiid and I think if healthy he could be a future all start and maybe even a HOF player down the road but its far from a sure thing.

Believe this is what he was referring to.

http://hoopsanalyst.com/?p=1259

That Embiid tops the 2014 list of draft prospects shouldn’t be a surprise. He’s a rim-protecting center with a ton of potential on offense. As someone who has only started playing the game within the last 2 years his upside would seem limitless. Here are the freshmen centers who topped .600 2PP, 17.0 P40, 10.0 R40 and 4.0 B40 as Embiid did:

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That’s 4 HOFers and one guy who just couldn’t stay healthy enough to have a chance to make it there (AD also topped those numbers). Prospects who become busts don’t post numbers like Joel Embiid did this past year. While there are flags that are varying degrees of red in the stats of the other top prospects, everything about Joel Embiid says he’ll be a dominant NBA player.


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Post#88 » by naabzor » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:34 am

If you look at the numbers McDermott has to be the goat prospect...
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Post#89 » by old rem » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:34 am

WhatsaTDot wrote:This will not end whale.
a problem now with players drafted so high before they even have established a pattern.. is there's a lot of guessing about the details. You don't really know what you got till later.
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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#90 » by WhatsaTDot » Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:23 am

Bubstubbler wrote:Blake Griffin put up 22/12 as a rookie, and Embiid is significantly better. As rookies: Duncan put up 21/12, Hakeem put up 21/12, Robinson put up 24/12, Mourning put up 21/10, and Shaq put up 23/14.

Philly is lacking in stud offensive talent, so Embiid should have plenty of touches next year. He'll probably be (and should be) their #1 option, and be very efficient at it.

He's an all-time-great prospect. He put up historic numbers as a freshman center (only matched by Robinson/Mourning/Hakeem/Ewing/Oden), and yet he's a guy who is actually a far better prospect than his numbers show (since he only started playing organized basketball about 3 years ago and is improving at an astounding rate).

The foul trouble was a non story, since his freshman year was a bizarro year in college basketball due to the change in how fouls were called that year: half the fouls called on him probably wouldn't have been called in previous years, and certainly wouldn't have been called in the NBA.

I remain of the thinking that many of the posters here will poop themselves when they realize how good Embiid actually is. If he's healthy, he's going to take the league by storm: he's got inside moves, good mid-range touch, and a sweet perimeter stroke; good ball handling, good passing, good court vision, and quick thinking ability, plus he's highly coordinated, athletic, long, able to anticipate, has a strong desire to win/dominate, is an extremely fast learner, and has great intuition on defense. The guy's potential is surreal.


At least you've managed to temper your expectations.
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Post#91 » by AJ Valliant » Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:45 am

MCDubbin wrote:Yeah let's just take a part of story instead of posting the whole thing to make it sound worse

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You are only supposed to post excerpts of articles.
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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#93 » by Foshan » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:30 pm

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MRxBLACK wrote:Bogus trade rumors.
Toxic locker room.
Embiid weight/work ethic issues.
Screwing AK47 over.

All BS written by the unprofessional Philly media.


So they made this up or you just don't want it reported?

http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-phi ... 300-pounds

Looks to be a mixed between 'made up' and 'gross exaggeration for your attention.' Glad everyone enjoyed the show.
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Post#94 » by RSCD3_ » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:09 pm

Lol that Philly website must be using Stephen A smith exaggerations to describe players

" weighs almost a quarter ton, eats 10 cheese pizzas per day, blood pressure is around two hundred... And Fifty "
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Post#95 » by RSCD3_ » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:10 pm

Lol that Philly website must be using Stephen A smith exaggerations to describe players

" weighs almost a quarter ton, eats 10 cheese pizzas per day, blood pressure is around two hundred... And Fifty "
I came here to do two things: get lost and slice **** up & I'm all out of directions.

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Post#96 » by 2LeTTeRS » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:03 pm

Do we really have Sixers fans in here circle jerking because Embiid "only" maxed out at 275 not 300?
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Post#97 » by snoopdogg88 » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:13 pm

we also have the anti-tankers circle jerking in here too


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Post#98 » by Mik317 » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:13 pm

2LeTTeRS wrote:Do we really have Sixers fans in here circle jerking because Embiid "only" maxed out at 275 not 300?


Considering he was apparently 265 at the combine....10 extra pounds is nothing.
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Post#99 » by GreenWithEnvy » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:15 pm

2LeTTeRS wrote:Do we really have Sixers fans in here circle jerking because Embiid "only" maxed out at 275 not 300?


uhhh yes. Sixers fans are the most jaded fans in sports right now. I must be the only one not sipping the kool aid. They are all holding hands, singing prayers, and telling each other that everything is going to be alright even though there is no factual evidence of anything being ok. This team could be miserable for a decade.
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Post#100 » by woadraider » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:35 pm

GreenWithEnvy wrote:
2LeTTeRS wrote:Do we really have Sixers fans in here circle jerking because Embiid "only" maxed out at 275 not 300?


uhhh yes. Sixers fans are the most jaded fans in sports right now. I must be the only one not sipping the kool aid. They are all holding hands, singing prayers, and telling each other that everything is going to be alright even though there is no factual evidence of anything being ok. This team could be miserable for a decade.


yeah... and I really think most of us are enjoying the ride so much more, than the previous years. It's crazy I know :crazy: :lol:

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