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rick_21 wrote:

Justwar wrote:My guy who has ties to the front office with the suns wouldn't be surprised to see a Goodwin booker backcourt. Bledsoe is good but his olaystyle is conducive to injuries and Knight is more a sixth man on a really good team.

I can see Booker being the starter at the SG in the long term, but Goodwin is an embarrasingly bad player and a joke as a point guard. Compared to him, Tony Wroten looks like Chris Paul.

I don't think the Suns will ever win 30 games a season with Goodwin as the starter PG

Booker is a stud player and even HE cant help Suns win games... The team is just very bad.

Goodwin has score averaged 17/5/4 as a starter this season. At 21 years old... Those are good production. Considering he was playing a new position.

There is hope in Goodwin as a PG...but he has shown enough for sure to be at the least a backup SG... And if he continues to improve his shooting.. He may be more than just a backup.

Fischella wrote:

Negrodamus wrote:

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Is Jamal Murray comparable to Devin Booker?

I honestly think Jamal is more of a complete package than Devin. Devin had the luxury of being on a stacked team last year and had wide open shots. Jamal creates the offense for himself more often.

Do you watch at all? Murray comes off screens a ton, his own offense? maybe in close-outs but he is not a good iso player, Booker showed some ballhandling and way better quickness than Murray, he is also bigger

Fischella wrote:Robinson needs to work on his game, but he'll figure it out, he has heart and a strong body, he can have a David West career.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1228612

Fischella wrote:Okafor is longer than Towns, he has a longer wingspan and a higher reach.
Towns is not even in the conversation, Mudiay and Russell are ahead of him, so if you are talking about prospects, those two, or even Stanley Johnson and Porzingis, might be in the convo, before Towns.
I have Towns 5-6th in my Board right now.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1371002

Fischella wrote:Purvis, Smart and Robinson are going to be top10 picks, but I'm not sure if 2013, or 2014, I think 3 of them would stay til their Soph year.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1190763

2/3 ain't bad.

Fischella wrote:Tavares ceiling is Asik.
Gobert? I'm not so sure, but he got really big issues with his motor and concentration, I like the Shawn Bradley comp.

lol

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1344753

You're not right all the time. You're s*** does stink. You're allowed to have an opinion, but you don't have to be such a f'ing dick all the time when you disagree.

Besides having an inner revelation, or at least an evaluation, of how much of a prick you can be in making a point, you're going to find ways of saving face or deflect attention to how wrong you were. BTW, this took me maybe 5 minutes to do.

But to answer your question, yes, I watch every UK game since 2005. Jamal Murray is objectively a better creator on offense than Booker was at UK. You can poll every UK fan and the entire team from this year and last year and you'll probably have 1 person that will vote for Booker (and that vote would be Devin Booker). Just because you try to discredit my argument by making it seem absurd, "Do you watch at all?", doesn't mean you're right. Booker stood around on the perimeter and benefitted from "Boatfeet" Towns attracting all the attention in the post.

You could do the same thing for me, but the fact of the matter is I know I'm wrong sometimes. I embrace it because following this is a hobby and should be fun. You stating your opinion like it's gospel ruins the conversation and debating for everyone.

Every time you quote me in a hostile way, I'm just going to C&P these just to remind you of how wrong you can be. If you want cordial discourse, then I'm more than open for that.

Big ups to the OP.
A couple others saw it as well.

How high does booker go in the redraft?
Top 5 for sure right?

TKainZero wrote:How high does booker go in the redraft?
Top 5 for sure right?

Ehhh, no way.

Fischella wrote:

TKainZero wrote:How high does booker go in the redraft?
Top 5 for sure right?

Ehhh, no way.

Who are 5 SURE FIRE guys ahead of him?
KAT...

MAYBE Russell, Porzingis, Turner, Okafor..
Hezonja WENT # 5, and I think even the Hezonja Fans would take Booker > him


AT WORST, he goes 6 (not even figuring in team need)

Booker isn't really Klay, he's not the guy who's bread and butter is making those shots you're never supposed to take, he picks his spots selectively and is only attempting at a larger volume because he's feautred as the #1 on a terrible team with no other options. However I think he will be less streaky and will have more of a killer instinct to take over as the go to scorer even when he's not feeling it from downtwon. Klay wasn't projected to be a plus perimeter defender coming out but Booker is limited by his lack of length/wingpsan even if he develops the awareness, he has the lateral agility to stay in front of his man but too easily allows dribble penetration. Hopefully he can get more than gives up the other end. Kinda the SG version of Gordon Hayward with his crafty off the ball movement, playmaking and shot creating ability thats beyond his years with some Ray Allen stylistically(not saying he will even appraoch his greatness). I wasn't a fan of the pick because hew wasn't asked to do much on stacked Kentucky team and choked vs Wisconsisn in the Final Four , but he just wasn't affored the opportunity to showcase his full off the bounce arsenal

Fish is a afam fan, his team is going to get one of the worst penalties of all time his guys had a made up degree like he makes up opinions after the fact and twists. He hates uk. It kills him to know unc guys aren't succeeding anymore. I even sent him a pm of Murray playing pg killing team usa with passes and dribbling, I don't think he would give him any credit for his point skill. Some people are just natural heels, fish plays his role.

TKainZero wrote:

Fischella wrote:

TKainZero wrote:How high does booker go in the redraft?
Top 5 for sure right?

Ehhh, no way.

Who are 5 SURE FIRE guys ahead of him?
KAT...

MAYBE Russell, Porzingis, Turner, Okafor..
Hezonja WENT # 5, and I think even the Hezonja Fans would take Booker > him


AT WORST, he goes 6 (not even figuring in team need)

surefire that I'd take ahead of him, Towns, Porzingis, Okafor, Russell, Mudiay, Turner, Winslow.

He would go top10, top5? no chance.

Justwar wrote:Fish is a afam fan, his team is going to get one of the worst penalties of all time his guys had a made up degree like he makes up opinions after the fact and twists. He hates uk. It kills him to know unc guys aren't succeeding anymore. I even sent him a pm of Murray playing pg killing team usa with passes and dribbling, I don't think he would give him any credit for his point skill. Some people are just natural heels, fish plays his role.

Man, have you ever watch the tape yourself? btw I watched that video months ago, he has trouble creating separation, and defending NBA back-up or 3rd string PGs, he plays superslow, I have said that he is smooth, skilled and can pass, but that is not enough to play PG, period.

I have 0 hate for UK prospects, I dislike Calipari because the way he coaches and goes about teh game he is a cancer to the game, but I have loved UK prospects in the past, I liked Booker, I love Ulis nowadays, I was Bledsoe biggest fan (I had him ranked 6th in his class), I liked Davis and Jones and loved MKG, you are just wrong about this.

It kills me what? I have had Brice Johnson projected as a 40-50s pick all year and called crazy anybody who is putting him in the 1st, I am not a homer, like you sir are of your school.

Fischella wrote:

TKainZero wrote:

Fischella wrote:Ehhh, no way.

Who are 5 SURE FIRE guys ahead of him?
KAT...

MAYBE Russell, Porzingis, Turner, Okafor..
Hezonja WENT # 5, and I think even the Hezonja Fans would take Booker > him


AT WORST, he goes 6 (not even figuring in team need)

surefire that I'd take ahead of him, Towns, Porzingis, Okafor, Russell, Mudiay, Turner, Winslow.

He would go top10, top5? no chance.

It's OK if in your opinion Mudiay or Russell are better than Booker but "surefire"?
Mudiay may have more assists (he's pg after all) but compare his shooting to Booker's.

Well I said guys I will take, even if you take Mudiay out, you have 6 guys, my point been, there is no way he would go top5 in a re-draft, top10 sure, even I guess depending on team needs he could go 6th, but top5 is not realistic.

Mudiay is not a finished product, neither is Booker, I think Manny's upside is higher and I am taking him before Devin as of now, we will see in a few yours, I very well could be wrong of course.

So despite being the youngest player in the nba mudiay has more upside that's cool. Revisit in two years.

KAT is the only guy definitely ahead of Booker, other than that.........

Justwar wrote:So despite being the youngest player in the nba mudiay has more upside that's cool. Revisit in two years.

Mudiay is 6-7 months older, big deal, and played a year in China, he is clearly still adjusting to the league, plus he doesnt play for a terrible team.
Mudiay has more upside because he has elite physical tools, playmaking ability and feel for the game.

JMac1 wrote:KAT is the only guy definitely ahead of Booker, other than that.........

Come on, keep your homerism for the Suns board.

Fischella wrote:

JMac1 wrote:KAT is the only guy definitely ahead of Booker, other than that.........

Come on, keep your homerism for the Suns board.

Yea, you are right. anyone not name KAT is definitely better than Booker, my apologies. I try to not be a homer but Booker's latest 35 and 5, 27 and 9, 18 and 11, 34pts and 6rebs, and 32pts and 89% FT shooting in March and rookie leading scorer in January and being the youngest guy in the league made me blind to the greatness of what everyone else was doing......my bad, I forgot he was taken 13th which means he is automatically not better than everyone else because of his draft position. Again, dumb me, I am such a homer.

JMac1 wrote:

Fischella wrote:

JMac1 wrote:KAT is the only guy definitely ahead of Booker, other than that.........

Come on, keep your homerism for the Suns board.

Yea, you are right. anyone not name KAT is definitely better than Booker, my apologies. I try to not be a homer but Booker's latest 35 and 5, 27 and 9, 18 and 11, 34pts and 6rebs, and 32pts and 89% FT shooting in March and rookie leading scorer in January and being the youngest guy in the league made me blind to the greatness of what everyone else was doing......my bad, I forgot he was taken 13th which means he is automatically not better than everyone else because of his draft position. Again, dumb me, I am such a homer.

I'm not a Suns fan at all and I take Booker #2 in a redraft. What he is doing at his age is historic.

Fischella wrote:

Justwar wrote:So despite being the youngest player in the nba mudiay has more upside that's cool. Revisit in two years.

Mudiay is 6-7 months older, big deal, and played a year in China, he is clearly still adjusting to the league, plus he doesnt play for a terrible team.
Mudiay has more upside because he has elite physical tools, playmaking ability and feel for the game.

You mean the sprint time Booker almost led the combine or the shuttle he did or the very solid 6'8 wingspan? He can't have elite tools huh? I've seen mudiay being a bully guard not a elite athlete. But it's a uk guy it blinds you. Good luck when we play you all and knock you all out in the sweet 16, then im betting news breaks about uncs academic fraud.

Justwar wrote:

You mean the sprint time Booker almost led the combine or the shuttle he did or the very solid 6'8 wingspan? He can't have elite tools huh? I've seen mudiay being a bully guard not a elite athlete. But it's a uk guy it blinds you. Good luck when we play you all and knock you all out in the sweet 16, then im betting news breaks about uncs academic fraud.

Good luck against Indiana, you talk too much dog

Fischella wrote:

Justwar wrote:

You mean the sprint time Booker almost led the combine or the shuttle he did or the very solid 6'8 wingspan? He can't have elite tools huh? I've seen mudiay being a bully guard not a elite athlete. But it's a uk guy it blinds you. Good luck when we play you all and knock you all out in the sweet 16, then im betting news breaks about uncs academic fraud.

Good luck against Indiana, you talk too much dog

Fischella cops some of his own medicine and cracks the ****.