Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[cksdayoff]

A 6'10" iguodala is actually would be a generational prospect

At the very least a 6'10" Iguodala would be the best player we've drafted since '96... (assuming taller = better)

add in Iggy's elite athleticism and elite defense at 6'10. He would've been amazing.

[USWAY]

so are people just ignoring the fact that Ingram went MIA in the second half last night?

no?

ok.

He definitely did, and this is coming from a Duke Fan and Ingram aficionado. Bear in mind he was in some serious foul trouble the whole second half though. Killed his rhythm.

[Ericb5]

so are people just ignoring the fact that Ingram went MIA in the second half last night?

no?

ok.

He definitely did, and this is coming from a Duke Fan and Ingram aficionado. Bear in mind he was in some serious foul trouble the whole second half though. Killed his rhythm.

I think people need to recognize that inconsistency is common to the really young players. Learning how to fight through the difficult stretches is what players are trying to learn between the ages of 18 and 23 or so.

Ingram seems to have great athleticism, and great skills, but he is young. Same thing that Okafor is dealing with right now. He dominates for stretches, but the defense adjusts and he is slow to react.

[Renegade_H]

I'm on the Ingram train. I get the lovefest for Simmons but I would love to have a KD on this team with Embiid and Saric running transition.

If we do get #1, we can always trade with #2 if they covet Simmons. What kind of price do you put on "Generational" talent? I bet it'd be pretty high.

Why the hell would you trade a "Generational Talent" away???

Because I don't think he's a "Generational" Talent. I think Simmons and Ingram are closer than people think. With that notion, I feel Ingram is a better scorer and shooter. We need that. If we had the 1st overall pick and someone at 2 blows me away with a deal, I would probably take it.

[Mik317]

trading 1 for 2 or 1 for anything at draft time always seems to backfire

hell haven't we done this?

You spend all this time tanking for 1, only to trade it for "more" pieces? Thats stupid and you will look even stupider if Simmons is legit ...

no thanks.

[Wilfried]

Just a question.
Is Simmons a PF in the NBA?

Because we would have a ****load of them if we get him.

[Ericb5]

Just a question.
Is Simmons a PF in the NBA?

Because we would have a ****load of them if we get him.

We don't really know. He can play 3 or 4, but he should be at whichever position works best for him, and that will be determined once he is in the league.

The real point is that, if we are lucky enough to draft him, and he DOES need to be at the 4, we will have to move whoever is in his way. That can be figured out in time too.

[Mik317]

Just a question.
Is Simmons a PF in the NBA?

Because we would have a ****load of them if we get him.

right now who cares and no we really don't. Saric is probably a 4 for sure. Noel isn't. Jah isn't. Embiid isn't. Grant and Holmes are cool but who gives a ****.

I know people are scared thanks to Jah of BPA but in retrospec the actual BPA was another center anyway. We probably aren't as gunshy if Jah was truly dominating and leading us to wins. Truly great players while they also need help...overcome the "bad fit" thing. Also I think too much is place on position at this time. Simmons will spend a lot of time on the perimeter to attack but more importantly make passes. This is the role Noel was failing at playing earlier in the season. This is a big part of the Spurs-esque offense Brett wants to run. a Big up top running the offense. We used to do this with Spencer **** Hawes and ****. Simmons would be huge for us. He can pass. We need that. He can create. We need that. Quiet as kept, he has hype around him. We need that too. A lot of this league is built off of people being on your dick before you even do anything. Most Number 1 picks get this...but Simmons has already been crowned. Think of all the star calls lol.

I like Ingram. He is a super neat prospect, no doubt. BUT I'm not about to overlook the fact that he is on a better coached and just better team and stunk it up early in the year. Whereas Simmons has been balling all year..and even in games where he was shut down offensively dude had like 17 boards and 11 ASTS. He effects the game in multiple ways. He can be Draymond Green but taller. Thats pretty hype,no? I also think he can play the 3. The 4 may be more useful for him in terms of mismatches and where the game is going, but also a crazy "smallball" 5 in which he isn't that small.

also can we drop the he's 20 doe ****? 20 isn't old. And just being younger doesn't mean you will get that much better than someone older than you. Ig you are going to give Ingram the benefit of "young players will get better", then you have to do the same for Simmons. That only comes into play when the guy is 22 and filled out. SImmons is not even done filling out yet. This is not a Evan Turner thing.

[Agnostifarian]

Simmons may be generational and a better prospect than Ingram. I don't think you find "an Ingram prospect" in every draft. I think Ingram is a better prospect than Wiggins and precisely 5.73 x better than Russell. The hype hasn't hit Ingram yet.

[freshie2]

Ingram still needs to fill out as well...he scares me in a Darius miles/Jonathan Bender kinda way (although I know he's much better).

[Ericb5]

Simmons may be generational and a better prospect than Ingram. I don't think you find "an Ingram prospect" in every draft. I think Ingram is a better prospect than Wiggins and precisely 5.73 x better than Russell. The hype hasn't hit Ingram yet.

Well maybe not EVERY draft, but Ingram's DO come a long from time to time. I don't think that he is a better prospect than Wiggins. I think that he is probably in the same tier as Towns, Okafor, or Wiggins.

Still, we could argue all day about that. The point is that he isn't a surefire superstar, and most people seem to think that Simmons IS.

Ingram's ceiling is definitely a lot higher than Simmons' floor. That's for sure. We don't know how it is going to turn out, but I'll take Simmons to the bank if given the chance, regardless of fit.

[Dell]

Not the worst case scenario, but if they drop to 2, the Lakers pick doesn't land @ 4. How much better is this team with a draft of Ingram, Valentine, and , and Luwawu...maybe Gary Payton in round 2??

Would love to see Simmons, Dunn, Hield, and Valentine, but that is probably being a bit greedy.

We don't have a second round pick anymore.

Love Valentine, but I would probably gamble on the upside of either of the FSU freshman if they're there.

But to answer your question, we'd be a much better team entering next season having added Saric, Embiid, Ingram and Valentine. A much, much better team.

[PhilasFinest]

Valentine will be a lottery pick. Id take him in a heart beat.

[joyeuxnoel]

Ingram's shooting 66% from FT range which means his only strength over simmons is long range shooting

[Agnostifarian]

Observation: Simmons' defense is being "dinged" (1) for "hiding" on the back of the zone (2) inability to guard wings on the perimeter (3) lack of explosiveness/length at PF position... Legit criticisms and if so, how much can be blamed on LSU coaching?

[nurseryc]

Ingram seems to have a habit of completely dissapearing in the second half of games and his offence vanishes late in games. He seems to lack the killer instinct to want the ball in pressure situations in key late game situations. Duke on a 3 game losing streak and Ingram non existent in the second half in today's loss. In his last 5 games he really hasn't been very impressive at all aside from the 25 point outing and seems to be coming back down to earth with a thud. Simmons is a no brainer pick over Ingram at this point.

[76ciology]

wrong post

[broseph13]

I think it'd be wise to bring Jaylen Brown and Kris Dunn into the conversation since there's a 30% chance we won't get Simmons OR Ingram .

[wainseven]

I think it'd be wise to bring Jaylen Brown and Kris Dunn into the conversation since there's a 30% chance we won't get Simmons OR Ingram .

Actually there is over 50% chance we fall to No. 3 or 4 and can't get either one

[freshie2]

Brown is a poor man's Justice Winslow...no thanks. The comments/criticisms of Simmons are becoming comical. The 6'10" of can't guard the wings, but has been a man among boys in every game this year. Please watch full game or two before commenting...this kid is a special talent.