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[lilfishi22]

You guys might have a better view on how the NFL or MLB model works but I don't think it's totally different to when we traded Nash for that LA pick or when we traded Dragic (who was soon to be a UFA) for those Miami picks. I also don't think making it a law/provision would necessarily discourage one team signing another team's "top tier" FA or bring any sort of balance to the league. The team losing the superstar and gaining a first round pick (or future 1st) would likely be picking up a low value, late lotto pick at the very best (unless the other team totally bombs e.g BKN) and I just don't know how much that would help them on their way to a rebuild. It seems sort of unnecessary to me.

I'm assuming this proposal would be to discourage superstar teams from forming or make the team losing their FA get back on track quicker.I just don't know it would achieve either.

Something like the franchise tag would be interesting, but that would never fly either.

I thought there already is a kind of franchise tag in that "Designated player" provision

[bwgood77]

You guys might have a better view on how the NFL or MLB model works but I don't think it's totally different to when we traded Nash for that LA pick or when we traded Dragic (who was soon to be a UFA) for those Miami picks. I also don't think making it a law/provision would necessarily discourage one team signing another team's "top tier" FA or bring any sort of balance to the league. The team losing the superstar and gaining a first round pick (or future 1st) would likely be picking up a low value, late lotto pick at the very best (unless the other team totally bombs e.g BKN) and I just don't know how much that would help them on their way to a rebuild. It seems sort of unnecessary to me.

I'm assuming this proposal would be to discourage superstar teams from forming or make the team losing their FA get back on track quicker.I just don't know it would achieve either.

Something like the franchise tag would be interesting, but that would never fly either.

I thought there already is a kind of franchise tag in that "Designated player" provision

Well you can pick a guy to give that one mega five year deal too, so I guess that is somewhat similar, but the player doesn't have to take the contract (though I guess it would be stupid for him not too). But a franchise tag in the NFL you can slap on a player who is set to become an unrestricted free agent and he can't leave for another year. You have to pay him at least the average of like the top 3 or 5 highest paid players at that position though. Players would never agree to that in CBA though.

[lilfishi22]

I suppose there is more emphasis on "franchise player" tag in the NFL world.

I like the idea of the team losing their franchise/star player getting something back but I don't like the idea of the other team being forced to give up a pick. I hear that sort of socialism is un-American.

[bwgood77]

In other news, it looks like Trump is going to win the election. Looking at the #s earlier, where is was projected 74% Hillary wins, I decided to see which states she had slight leads in that would flip the result. It was Florida and NC. NC just got called Trump and with 96% of vote counted in Florida, Trump is up like 49.1% to 47.7%.

[OnceUponADime]

In other news, it looks like Trump is going to win the election. Looking at the #s earlier, where is was projected 74% Hillary wins, I decided to see which states she had slight leads in that would flip the result. It was Florida and NC. NC just got called Trump and with 96% of vote counted in Florida, Trump is up like 49.1% to 47.7%.

Michigan will decide the election imo. Whoever wins that may win the election.

[kennydorglas]

In other news, it looks like Trump is going to win the election. Looking at the #s earlier, where is was projected 74% Hillary wins, I decided to see which states she had slight leads in that would flip the result. It was Florida and NC. NC just got called Trump and with 96% of vote counted in Florida, Trump is up like 49.1% to 47.7%.

Hillary started with 83% chance. Unbelievable.

[bwgood77]

In other news, it looks like Trump is going to win the election. Looking at the #s earlier, where is was projected 74% Hillary wins, I decided to see which states she had slight leads in that would flip the result. It was Florida and NC. NC just got called Trump and with 96% of vote counted in Florida, Trump is up like 49.1% to 47.7%.

Michigan will decide the election imo. Whoever wins that may win the election.

He doesn't even need that but he's winning that too....ok this will be the last post about the election in our game thread...back to business.

[bwgood77]

Lol just checked the polls... Good luck America!

Are you not in America? I assumed you were.

[TeamTragic]

Lol just checked the polls... Good luck America!

Are you not in America? I assumed you were.

Australia... but half of my family lives in Cali.

Then they will be fine. States have massive power.

[bwgood77]

Are you not in America? I assumed you were.

Australia... but half of my family lives in Cali.

Then they will be fine. States have massive power.

The silver lining is that he is anti establishment and it won't be DC as usual. The bad thing is, with him and the right being in control, my biggest concern of the middle class evaporating and the lower class and poverty growing big time, it will likely get worse.

Then potentially court appointments and taking away health care for the lower class.

[grumpysaddle]

Between this and Trump, I may not last the night.

[TeamTragic]

Australia... but half of my family lives in Cali.

Then they will be fine. States have massive power.

The silver lining is that he is anti establishment and it won't be DC as usual. The bad thing is, with him and the right being in control, my biggest concern of the middle class evaporating and the lower class and poverty growing big time, it will likely get worse.

Then potentially court appointments and taking away health care for the lower class.

Maybe it could be good (anti-establishment)? You are correct that the poor will be get poorer. Middle class has been gone for a long time now.

[ATTL]

About time we get a badass wall down south. I'm tired of China monopolizing the giant wall tourism business.

[bwgood77]

Then they will be fine. States have massive power.

The silver lining is that he is anti establishment and it won't be DC as usual. The bad thing is, with him and the right being in control, my biggest concern of the middle class evaporating and the lower class and poverty growing big time, it will likely get worse.

Then potentially court appointments and taking away health care for the lower class.

Maybe it could be good? You are correct that the poor will be get poorer. Middle class has been gone for a long time now.

How many homeless people do you want on the streets and billionaires in the country? What's the point of that? This country is about equal opportunity, not shipping jobs overseas for cheaper labor or giving Americans minimum wages to line their companies to add to their billionaire status.

How the heck can making poorer people die unless you want homeless kids and this place becoming more and more like a 3rd world country?

I can't stand Hillary either though but at least we, for now would at least keep life as it is. Unless you are far upper class, or are into engineering or computer science you could have a hard time too. Obviously not sure of your age though.

For the record, I thought Mitt Romney would have been a great candidate and am not sure why he didn't run again..he would have taken this in a landslide.

And I am an independent, so never totally lean either way.

[TeamTragic]

The silver lining is that he is anti establishment and it won't be DC as usual. The bad thing is, with him and the right being in control, my biggest concern of the middle class evaporating and the lower class and poverty growing big time, it will likely get worse.

Then potentially court appointments and taking away health care for the lower class.

Maybe it could be good? You are correct that the poor will be get poorer. Middle class has been gone for a long time now.

How many homeless people do you want on the streets and billionaires in the country? What's the point of that? This country is about equal opportunity, not shipping jobs overseas for cheaper labor or giving Americans minimum wages to line their companies to add to their billionaire status.

How the heck can making poorer people die unless you want homeless kids and this place becoming more and more like a 3rd world country?

I can't stand Hillary either though but at least we, for now would at least keep life as it is. Unless you are far upper class, or are into engineering or computer science you could have a hard time too. Obviously not sure of your age though.

For the record, I thought Mitt Romney would have been a great candidate and am not sure why he didn't run again..he would have taken this in a landslide.

And I am an independent, so never totally lean either way.

I'm just trying to turn a frown upside down. At this rate I have no clue what will happen for people who are disabled and receive social security.

If you don't live in the California or the equivalent and perhaps aren't white then this could be the turning point for you. I hope that everyone will survive this decision. I think Romney just had bad timing and I feel bad for McCain as well.

[darealjuice]

I don't want to be overdramatic, and far be it from me to belittle people on their political opinions, but Trump is far from what we needed in a significant point in time. Never mind his economic policies, domestic and foreign policies, opinions on foreign trade, perceived sexism and racism, or any other social or fiscal issues, we as a country just voted a climate change denier into the most powerful political position in the country and arguably the world. This is a guy who sees snow in New York Spring and thinks to himself "hmph, global warming must be a hoax, there's snow at an uncommon time of year." This is a guy that treats all scientific evidence stating otherwise as mumbo jumbo planted by the Chinese to steal American jobs; a guy that plans to drastically reduce environmental regulations on manufacturing and go against the Paris Accord despite it being an agreement set in place by near 200 countries around the world.

We're currently at 400 PPM of CO2 in the atmosphere, that's a level that the Earth hasn't naturally reached in at least 5 million to 20 million years with no sign of slowing down. The damage is done, but we had a chance to at least mitigate it. Whether you believe climate change is influenced by man or not, this is something that needs to be taken extremely seriously. Radiative forcing is real, the large quantities of methane under vulnerable ice caps are real, the effect that this has on the oceans and overall environment is very real. Even if you can't come to believe that we caused this problem, you have to see what we do to contribute to it, and Trump's devotion to the Coal and Fossil Fuel industries that produce millions of tons of carbon dioxide a year and disdain towards alternative energy sources is only going to push the problem further. Take it from a chemical engineer that has done multiple studies on the environmental impacts of the power generation, fossil fuel, and coal industries, stop buying the bull because there is no such thing as clean coal technologies.

I'm incredibly disappointed in America right now. I'm registered independent and am far from a staunch Hillary supporter, but I truly felt that the lesser of two evils was strikingly obvious. I guess not.

[TeamTragic]

I don't want to be overdramatic, and far be it from me to belittle people on their political opinions, but Trump is far from what we needed in a significant point in time. Never mind his economic policies, domestic and foreign policies, opinions on foreign trade, perceived sexism and racism, or any other social or fiscal issues, we as a country just voted a climate change denier into the most powerful political position in the country and arguably the world. This is a guy who sees snow in New York Spring and thinks to himself "hmph, global warming must be a hoax, there's snow at an uncommon time of year." This is a guy that treats all scientific evidence stating otherwise as mumbo jumbo planted by the Chinese to steal American jobs; a guy that plans to drastically reduce environmental regulations on manufacturing and go against the Paris Accord despite it being an agreement set in place by near 200 countries around the world.

We're currently at 400 PPM of CO2 in the atmosphere, that's a level that the Earth hasn't naturally reached in at least 5 million to 20 million years with no sign of slowing down. The damage is done, but we had a chance to at least mitigate it. Whether you believe climate change is influenced by man or not, this is something that needs to be taken extremely seriously. Radiative forcing is real, the large quantities of methane under vulnerable ice caps are real, the effect that this has on the oceans and overall environment is very real. Even if you can't come to believe that we caused this problem, you have to see what we do to contribute to it, and Trump's devotion to the Coal and Fossil Fuel industries that produce millions of tons of carbon dioxide a year and disdain towards alternative energy sources is only going to push the problem further. Take it from a chemical engineer that has done multiple studies on the environmental impacts of the power generation, fossil fuel, and coal industries, stop buying the bull because there is no such thing as clean coal technologies.

I'm incredibly disappointed in America right now. I'm registered independent and am far from a staunch Hillary supporter, but I truly felt that the lesser of two evils was strikingly obvious. I guess not.

The world is disappointed with America right now. I guess you would have to ask those uneducated white males why they voted for a biggot with no shame. Perhaps they were projecting except Trump is a billionaire and could care less about them.

Then how about the hispanic population that voted for him. I'm not sure what people think will happen in the next four years.

[DirtyDez]

Dems holding out hope for Arizona. If Obama couldn't turn AZ blue Hillary sure as hell won't.

[sunskerr]

It's disgusting. It's absolutely disgusting what has just happened in this country. This country never belonged to any one group of people (i.e. uneducated whites) and you're not "taking it back" - you're setting us back potentially decades of social and economic progression. It's a rejection of other people, denial of facts and even a rejection of education and science. They've succumbed to hate and lashed out at anything which is different - a completely xenophobic reaction to a world which is changing for the better, with or without them.

[bondom34]

I'm nearly in tears.

This is pure evil.