And with the number one pick, the Boston Celtics select....? Fultz or Ball?

[Tiny ball]

If a team is that far ahead how can you openly value said pick at #4? Just funny how you got to that number...

Brooklyns odds, by pick number:

1- 25%
2- 21.5%
3- 17.8%
4- 35.7%

The pick has 53.5% chance of being 3 or 4, and a 46.5% chance at being 1 or 2.

Lottery odds are a bitch.

But it's all relative because those odds get transferred to the team with the second best odds where they'll have a 46.5% chance of picking at 4 or 5 and so on. They'll have the same worries as us. No one wants to draw 2 spots lower than there odds any more than we want that. The odds are a bitch at some point for everyone. The nice thing is everyone gets locked into a room, cell phones off and the first draft pick is chosen first. They don't pick from 15 on down to 1. So we are in math terms the best position. We'll see what happens. We need don't need a regular season star player. We need a post season star player. n we have none ATM.

If the NBA big shots have anything to say Celtics will not get number 1 pick.

Maybe ge is the bully the Celtics need to be treated fairly? Sure didn't help tonight where it looked like the officials all had their pay check on the Rockets.

GE has a history of thuggery and the Celtics sure could use help.

[robbie84]

Fultz is the type of player who will win you a lot of regular season games.

Ball is the type of player who can lead you to a championship.

A true basketball expert right here. Just close the poll now.

Hey its your poll, so...

I'm not an expert at all, but its just the feeling when i watch Ball play. He's the type of player you want in a playoff series.

Sorry that was an over reaction. I just strongly disagree. I see it as the other way round. I see Ball kind of like Rondo, I think he'll need really good players around him to be a great player- and I think he will be a great player, I just think Fultz has more potential because he's a true shot maker like IT.

[AgentGreen]

A true basketball expert right here. Just close the poll now.

Hey its your poll, so...

I'm not an expert at all, but its just the feeling when i watch Ball play. He's the type of player you want in a playoff series.

Sorry that was an over reaction. I just strongly disagree. I see it as the other way round. I see Ball kind of like Rondo, I think he'll need really good players around him to be a great player- and I think he will be a great player, I just think Fultz has more potential because he's a true shot maker like IT.

Rondo with a shot like Ball wouldve still been on our team then. Ainge wouldve build around him to compete again. But instead he traded him because his value was still high enough.

If Rondo can become a multiple All-Star with one of the worst shots in the NBA, then imagine what Ball can do, who is a much much better shooter than Rondo ever could be.

I've watched the game yesterday of UCLA vs USC and i noticed that his teammates dont create lanes for Ball at all. Also i've hardly seen some good PnR's as well last night. Which is quite weird, they are a team who score mostly in transition.

Ball will be a very good player in the NBA, his game is more suitable for the League than College Ball. Where he can score of PnR's and teammates who will open lanes for him. Ball's movement off the ball is already really good.

[jfs1000d]

Brooklyns odds, by pick number:

1- 25%
2- 21.5%
3- 17.8%
4- 35.7%

The pick has 53.5% chance of being 3 or 4, and a 46.5% chance at being 1 or 2.

Lottery odds are a bitch.

But it's all relative because those odds get transferred to the team with the second best odds where they'll have a 46.5% chance of picking at 4 or 5 and so on. They'll have the same worries as us. No one wants to draw 2 spots lower than there odds any more than we want that. The odds are a bitch at some point for everyone. The nice thing is everyone gets locked into a room, cell phones off and the first draft pick is chosen first. They don't pick from 15 on down to 1. So we are in math terms the best position. We'll see what happens. We need don't need a regular season star player. We need a post season star player. n we have none ATM.

If the NBA big shots have anything to say Celtics will not get number 1 pick.

Maybe ge is the bully the Celtics need to be treated fairly? Sure didn't help tonight where it looked like the officials all had their pay check on the Rockets.

GE has a history of thuggery and the Celtics sure could use help.

Geez, ya know man really didn't land on the moon.


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[robbie84]

Hey its your poll, so...

I'm not an expert at all, but its just the feeling when i watch Ball play. He's the type of player you want in a playoff series.

Sorry that was an over reaction. I just strongly disagree. I see it as the other way round. I see Ball kind of like Rondo, I think he'll need really good players around him to be a great player- and I think he will be a great player, I just think Fultz has more potential because he's a true shot maker like IT.

Rondo with a shot like Ball wouldve still been on our team then. Ainge wouldve build around him to compete again. But instead he traded him because his value was still high enough.

If Rondo can become a multiple All-Star with one of the worst shots in the NBA, then imagine what Ball can do, who is a much much better shooter than Rondo ever could be.

I've watched the game yesterday of UCLA vs USC and i noticed that his teammates dont create lanes for Ball at all. Also i've hardly seen some good PnR's as well last night. Which is quite weird, they are a team who score mostly in transition.

Ball will be a very good player in the NBA, his game is more suitable for the League than College Ball. Where he can score of PnR's and teammates who will open lanes for him. Ball's movement off the ball is already really good.

I'm much more concerned about Ball's lack of offensive versatility. Rondo could break players down off the dribble at will and get right to the basket. He couldn't pull up or shoot so defenders gave him space- which they won't give ball. The issue I see is that Ball just won't be able to beat NBA defenders off the dribble AND finish in traffic/pass out of trouble- he'll be more of a cutter/slasher like Avery Bradley.
Ball has the potential to develop this penetration skill but to have not see it yet concerns me about his mentality on offense and a pretty huge flaw.

I don't see any flaws in Fultz game. He makes tough shots, he's huge, he's incredibly athletic in a smooth and effortless way, and he runs the pick and roll better than anyone I've seen in the NCAA since Chris Paul. Better than Rose, better than Kyrie....he is an absolute animal and with NBA spacing and his pull up ability and 3 point ability he will score at will.
Like Harden, he plays at his own pace but he's longer and even more athletic than Harden.
He's like Paul Pierce playing the PG/SG with the athleticism of someone like DeRozan.

[Gomes3PC]

Fultz. You gotta take the chance on the more explosive player.

[SmartWentCrazy]

For reference, Jeff Goodman was on Sam Vecenie's podcast and he said he thinks Fultz will be a better pro than Ben Simmons.

I think this isn't even close anymore. It's Fultz and Fultz alone at the top. End of story.

[GreenBloodedC]

What more could you ask for? He got game and that superstar name. Fultz!

[Gomes3PC]

For reference, Jeff Goodman was on Sam Vecenie's podcast and he said he thinks Fultz will be a better pro than Ben Simmons.

I think this isn't even close anymore. It's Fultz and Fultz alone at the top. End of story.

I wouldn't call Goodman a draft expert, but Fultz's measurables, athleticism and production as a frosh rival anything we've seen from a guard in the last 10 drafts. The only comps IMO are Wall and Kyrie, which basically means an immediate impact guard with All-NBA upside.

[Wes-J]

Fultz hands down. My stance has never changed.

Believe me I love Ball, I just don't see his game translating to the nba. I can't justify taking a player #1 that can't get by his man, ESPECIALLY for a guard. Can't justify taking a player #1 that relies on others to help him provide scoring, and that's not a guarantee with the unorthodox shooting form.

Even having said that his impact will be felt and deserves a top 5 ranking.

[DorfonCeltics]

Fultz by a mile. I'm not sure if anyone already said this but I see a ton of Kobe's game in Fultz. People are blinded by the PG label but I could see him playing with the composure and flare of Bryant in the NBA.

[return2glory]

Fultz has a game like Brandon Roy. Roy was a big time player for Portland before the injuries ended his career.

[tombattor]

I hope we're packaging the pick for DMC.

[TheOGJabroni]

I hope we're packaging the pick for DMC.

Is this even a possibility still? I thought it was pretty much a forgone conclusion he was staying in Sacramento.

[ddb]

My guess is that if Danny lands the #1 he will try to make a big push for Anthony Davis first and foremost. When he is unsuccessful in that endevour he will consider other trade calls he receives from teams like Chicago, Sacto, etc. But at the end of the day he will likely draft 1 Fultz. I just can't see how you can pass on a young lead guard as smooth as Fultz.
The most likely scenario is that Danny will not have to make that choice because Miami or LA will get the #1 pick. Danny will likely be picking 3rd again because the Celtics never get the #1 pick.
At that point I can see Danny trading for Butler or Cousins

[sam_I_am]

I don't like Ball.

Me neither.

Fultz is a stud. Smith might be too.

[LongTimeFan]

Our board looks nothing like anyone else's board.

I would guess, if we get the top three pick, we'll probably get our top player. I'd say there is a good chance if we get number one or two we trade down. I have a very high source which I've been way to busy to exploit. Maybe, I'll spend some time cultivating it.

[Patsfan81]

Why is everyone sleeping on DSJ? The dude can flat out ball with incredible athleticism. He has pre-Derrick Rose type of athleticism and can get to the bucket with ease. Nbadraft.net has him compared to Rose/Paul. He just beat a really good Duke team on the road.

[Asian Celtic]

Fultz. With all that body control and speed shift is incredible. Imagine brown learning a thing or two from fultz on speed shift and body control in order to finish better through traffic. Our 1-2 punch would be all over the league.

[Wes-J]

Why is everyone sleeping on DSJ? The dude can flat out ball with incredible athleticism. He has pre-Derrick Rose type of athleticism and can get to the bucket with ease. Nbadraft.net has him compared to Rose/Paul. He just beat a really good Duke team on the road.

Many bailed on DSJ as a possibility after he had a couple off performances. He's not being slept on, many are also in the camp that since we've got IT, would be a poor fit, as he would be redundant.