If you were the GM how would you rebuild this team?

[MavCarter]

How many more years does LeBron have left? How many more years can GSW stay together. At the very least, those 2 answers will inform the decision whether or not to rebuild. You also have to look at factors like anyone getting ready to take LeBron's place (Giannis) and how strong your scouting department is when there isn't a surefire pick at your position.

The problem with rebuilding is that all it does is sell hope. That's it. There's no guarantees that whatever you build will be as good as the product you have now.

Despite the results of this series, we have a solid nucleus of players. Maybe a coaching shift will be the remedy to make this team more competitive against the elite teams. Maybe it won't but, if someone said at the beginning of the season that we would be walking into the playoffs with Lowry, DeMar, Ibaka and Val in the starting lineup with PJ Tucker coming off the bench, I'd look at you like you were crazy.

There's a really good team in there somewhere. Kudos to Casey for taking them this far but, it might be time for a different voice in the locker room.

Nobody obvious is taking LBJ's place the way LBJ replaced Jordan as league centrepiece. Nobody.

And is someone like that coming up? We first heard about LeBron at least 2 years before he was drafted.

Is Zion Williamson someone we should be preparing the tank for?

Looks like Drake is already putting in work:

Outside of the highlight dunks zion really has nothing else going for him offensively. It's still pretty early though

[Pet Poeltl]

Let's face it, we're not going to blow it up for a wide variety of reasons. So here are my ideas for the retool.

Step 1: Fire Casey
Next:
- S&T Kyle Lowry. We can't lose this player for nothing + he will want that 5th year only we can give him + someone out there will be willing to make this happen. Get a 1st rounder for him.
- Let Patterson walk
- Re-sign Ibaka and Tucker. Clearly Masai is high on these players, he tried to get them for several seasons and now that he has them, I believe he'll want to sign them both
- Trade Joseph for a pick
- Sign UFA Jeff Teague
- Sign UFA Dewayne Dedmon
- Sign UFA Sullinger. Yes, that guy. We can get him for very cheap. Tell his ass to get in shape this summer cause it'll be his last chance
- Trade Carroll. You will most likely have to include an asset to dump his contract. Use the pick acquired in the Joseph deal + something else if need be
- See what the market is like for JV. Someone out there will want him. Maybe we can get a SF back

Teague/Wright/FVV
Derozan/Powell
?/Tucker/Bruno
Ibaka/Sullinger/Siakam
Poeltl/Dedmon/Bebe

+ 2 first rounders (one of them from the Lowry trade)

[Blood Orange]

Depends on which route we're going. If we're going to tank then...

Tank:
-Let Lowry, Tucker, Ibaka, Patterson walk
-Trade DD + 2021 1st for Ingrim + Randle + filler
-Trade Cojo for a late 1st round 2017
-Trade JV for future first round
-Trade Caroll away
-Draft Harry Giles with #23 & Hamidou Diallo with late 1st
-Sign Rondo, Amir, Vince (for vet presence)
-Hire Gary Payton for HC

Giles/Poeltl/Nogueira
Randle/Siakam/Amir
Ingrim/Vince/Bruno
Powell/Diallo
Delon/Rondo/VV


or


Retool:
-Sign Tucker, Lowry, Ibaka
-Let PP walk
-Trade JV + Caroll + Future first for Melo
-Trade Cojo for late 1st 2017
-Draft Harry Giles + Ojeleye
-Sign Vince, Casspi
-Hire Gary Payton for HC

Giles/Poelt/Nogueira
Ibaka/Siakam/Casspi
Melo/Tucker/Ojeleye
DD/Powell/Vince
KL/Delon/VV

[Basketball_Jones]

Trade everyone outside of Derozan.

[Yallbecrazy]

Of course my thread about how crappy this forum is gets moved, while junk like this thread gets to continue

[Local_NG_Idiot]

While I respect what Casey has done to establish a hard working, motivated environment for players, I think it's time to move on from him, give this core one more kick at the can, moving out some of the current role players, and moving in some younger players into the regular rotation.

Coaching guys I like are Juwan Howard, Stackhouse, Nate Tibbetts, or Chris Finch. If it is Howard or Stackhouse, I'd like to see a veteran assistant savant like a Ron Adams to help them out on the Xs and Os philosophies.

So what do the Raps need to change?... more shooting on the wings, better playmaking from the SF/PF, and speed/mobility/experience at the C.

The moves?

#1 Move: DMC/Cojo/Powell/23rd pick for Afflalo/Tolliver/#8 or #10 -

I think Sac does this for a few reasons as they have no PG under contract and will be looking for stability and a mentor for whoever they grab in the draft at #8 for their PG of the future. I don't think they want to spend on either of Collison or Lawson and Cojo coming from winning orgs (SAS, TOR) as a pro with a favourable contract is good for their rebuild. Powell & 23 is more talent on a rebuilding roster than what #10 might yield for them (especially knowing how poorly they scout and draft). DMC is the bad contract they take on, but again, a vet from winning orgs that if Gay opts in for his last year, DMC allows them to just move him for a future 2nd or something of that nature.

For the Raps, while Powell is very good, I just don't think he'll ever find consistent minutes with DeRozan playing the 2. I think he's one of the assets in a consolidation move like this to get into a lottery pick. Afflalo and Tolliver can be let go if needed since both contracts aren't guaranteed or you let PPat walk and keep Tolliver. Cap savings goes towards re-signing Tucker. #10 becomes the BPA pick of SFs that are in that range (Josh Jackson, Tatum, Isaac, Anunoby, Justin Jackson), Isaac being my early favorite.

#2 Move: JV/Bebe for Tyson Chandler/#32

I think the Suns don't want to pay Len and Chandler big bucks and JV is better than both of them so Phx can take on JV, let Len walk (who's looking for a big payday) and get out from under Chandler's "coaching" contract. Bebe helps soften the blow of them giving up #32 so they still have a backup rim protector as well.

For the Raps, #32 is shaping up to be a Project Center Buffet pick and Chandler comes in to play 10-12mpg, be another vet voice in the locker room with Tucker, and work with Poeltl & #32 to become much better defending Cs. #32 is really best of: Giles, Swanigan, Bam, Lessort, Bryant ,Bradley, Jeanne so there will be a lot of different style project Cs to pick from that will fit.

Lowry/Delon/Van Vleet
DeRozan
Tucker/#10/Caboclo
Ibaka/Tolliver/Siakam
Poeltl/Chandler/#32

That leaves room for two guards and I'd like to see Masai grab another 2nd round pick to nab Edmond Summer as the end-of-bench high risk young player, and then look to fill the last spot with a vet SG........might be time to bring VC home?

[steamed hams]

Fire Casey = dino championship

[Red_Claw]

Fire Casey
Hire JVG (Smitch as assistant)
Trade Derozan to Den for Chandler, Faried, J.Murray (find 3rd team for Faried to get cap space and possibly pick)
Move Wright in starting line up (don't resign Lowry)
Resign Ibaka
Trade Carroll and 1st rd pick for cap space
Sign VC to vet minimum
*Do everything possible to sign Durant
If Durant isin't a possibility, resign Tucker

Wright/Cojo/Vanvleet
Powell/Murray/VC
Durant/Chandler/Bruno
Ibaka/Siakam
JV/Bebe/Poelt

*This could be more likely than some may think:
- Durant is likely to cash in if GS wins the championship this year instead of taking player option
- GS doesn't have half a roster resigned for the 2017-2018 season. Would pick Curry over Durant

[wco81]

Is Masai's job under jeopardy?

Carroll and Patterson do okay in the regular season but have not performed in the playoffs.

So signing Carroll as a FA has not worked out for a team with championship aspirations.

Yet the Raptors let Biyombo walk. Maybe Masai didn't have a choice because of the cap situation?

Roster is good enough to be a 50-win team, which would get the team a top 4 seed in the EC. Maybe that's all that the team ownership wants, have a winning team that sells tickets, but not willing to pay out huge luxury taxes.

So give up huge contracts to Lowry and Ibaka and hope for Lebron declines in a couple of years? Problem with that is Lowry is not that younger so father time may get him in another couple of years.

[TooBad]

If you were the GM how would you rebuild this team?Who Would you Keep? Who would you Trade/Dump?

For Me:

Keep for now trade at a later time: Derozan/Ibaka

Keep for a rebuild: Joseph/Powell/Poeltl/Siakam

You want to rebuild with Joseph??

I hope that is a typo for your sake.

Definitely not a typo he could easily replace Lowry, costs 7 million and is the same age as Delon. I am honestly more comfortable with cojo running the point than Lowry. I'm pretty sure the game Joseph played today was better than any game Lowry has ever played in the playoffs.

[HEKTOR]

At this moment, I'd let Lowry walk while looking to re-sign Ibaka and Tucker.

[XxIronChainzxX]

WellI said specifically after 2-3 years to start adding a couple veterans. They don't need to be core guys, but I think it's useful to have some veteran leadership in the locker room when you have a bunch of kids. And it's not like making the playoffs is some incredibly difficult accomplishment. More than half the teams in the league do it. Maybe we don't make it back after 3 years, but it's not like sneaking in as a late seed is some miracle.

Honestly, i'm finding the over reactions of posters here to the notion of a rebuild to be kind of funny and dramatic. This is an entirely hypothetical forum. I'm willing to concede that going young can fail, but those opposed to a rebuild think a couple more years of just making the playoffs builds some sort of good will. I keep reading this crap about winning culture. As if free agents will join a team just because they made the playoffs when over half the teams in the league can offer that. Winning culture matters when you're a contender, not when you're in the tiers below without a superstar. The biggest free agent names almost always sign with contenders, or teams where they have other ambitions altogether(Melo). Just being competitive doesn't do as much for us as some think. I don't think anyone gives a damn about the Hawks after all their playoff appearances. Same with Memphis. You can make the playoffs every single year and that's great, but is that the goal?
A rebuild can fail, but I actually have a lot of faith in Masai. Maybe I'm in the minority, but oh well. I don't often agree with the majority on most issues.

I'm not sure you're appreciating how unreal a 3-year turnaround would be if you're going to do anything other than re-tool. Lebron James , who was absurdly good in his first year, took 3 years to take the **** that was Cleveland to the postseason.

Alright. So you really want to harp on the 3 year thing? I stated 3 years as the time to focus on high picks. After that a lot of casual fans lose interest, so it's reasonable to assume Masai would want to add some guys to make the team more competitive. I personally don't care how long it takes to make it back to the playoffs, as long as the team shows up when they do.
I'm happy watching a young team compete and develop in front of my eyes.
As for LeBron, he had nobody to play with and quickly improved the Cavs to the point they couldn't get another top pick the following couple years and it hurt them as far as building the roster went. He really played with nothing but scrubs. I don't know if our young guys are studs, but Norm, Jakob, Delon and Siakam at least look like NBA rotation players. Frankly, I expect Poeltl and Norm to be pretty damn good in another 3 years time. Delon will be a solid backup as well, but if we were trading DeMar for a pick in this draft, as I suggested, I imagine we would target our Lowry replacement since it's a point guard heavy class. Someone like Dennis Smith Junior would be a good first move. Call me over optimistic, but in most cases this team has tanked/rebuilt it was done terribly and the roster started from ground zero. Having a few guys entering their second and third season already gets us a step ahead of previous attempts.

I'm harping on 3 years because you're not really thinking it through. It will take a lot make us suck enough to get a top pick. We'd need to get rid of DD and Lowry at least and replace them with garbage, and probably even get rid of Val. We need low 20s in wins, and it takes a special amount of godawful **** of a team to be bad enough for a top 3 pick.

And once you have this godawful team - and it probably takes 2-3 years of dismantling to get there - you need to hope you can pick a good player, which can also take years. You have to treadmill suck for a while.

All i'm saying is that you're greatly underestimating the years of awful, awful ball we have to suffer through if we want to tank for real.

[wco81]

Definitely not a typo he could easily replace Lowry, costs 7 million and is the same age as Delon. I am honestly more comfortable with cojo running the point than Lowry. I'm pretty sure the game Joseph played today was better than any game Lowry has ever played in the playoffs.

I'm not sure these older guards are worth max contracts.

However, it wouldn't be that easy to replace Lowry's scoring. He also shot well this season,, 46.4/41.2.

Joseph isn't a bad shooter but not nearly as prolific a scorer.

You'd need scoring from elsewhere, unless Toronto was looking to change its identity into a low-pace, defensive team that averaged 100 points or less per game, instead of the team that averaged 106.9 this season (but only 96.1 in the playoffs).

[raptorstime]

Stock up on 3 point shooters

[LoveMyRaps]

PRIORITY #1 = NEW COACHING STAFF
Re-sign Ibaka, Tucker.
Let Lowry and Patterson walk.
Somehow get rid of Carroll.
Trade JV and Cojo.
Acquire replacement PG who will actually move the ball, shooters to surround Derozan with via FA, trade, draft.

Playmaking PG/Delon
Derozan/Norm
3&D who can actually do his job/Tucker
Ibaka/???
Defensive C

Try your chances with a retooled roster with a new coach and new system. If that doesn't work out, full out tank mode in 2018-2019.

Exactly what I want happening.

[TooBad]

Definitely not a typo he could easily replace Lowry, costs 7 million and is the same age as Delon. I am honestly more comfortable with cojo running the point than Lowry. I'm pretty sure the game Joseph played today was better than any game Lowry has ever played in the playoffs.

I'm not sure these older guards are worth max contracts.

However, it wouldn't be that easy to replace Lowry's scoring. He also shot well this season,, 46.4/41.2.

Joseph isn't a bad shooter but not nearly as prolific a scorer.

You'd need scoring from elsewhere, unless Toronto was looking to change its identity into a low-pace, defensive team that averaged 100 points or less per game, instead of the team that averaged 106.9 this season (but only 96.1 in the playoffs).

Yea but its not all about individual scoring, the offense as a whole seems to be better when Cojo runs it. There is way more ball movement which makes everything easier on both ends of the floor (Iso ball rests the opposing team). At the end of the day Cojo has a much better track record than Lowry in the postseason (when it counts), has a better attitude and he costs way less. If they're going to do a retool it makes a lot of sense to sign and trade Lowry and fix the three point shooting/rebounding issues they have with the savings.

[Bensational]

From a Magic fan's perspective, I'd keep trying to retool with the competitive team you guys already have, rather than bottoming out to rebuild. The draft is such a compounded gamble with the draft lottery, and then rookie selection/development, that you could end up like us as a team that after 4 years in the lottery still has no franchise talent to build around.

You guys seem to do a great job of acquiring solid talent with late picks, with Powell, Noguiera and Caboclo being some great pieces to have in the wings. Then you surround them with good value signings and acquisitions like Cojo and Tucker.

Keep what you've got and look to consolidate some pieces in the near future as guys like Lowry and Ibaka age and become less effective. All you need is one good window of opportunity. Dirk and Dallas stole one, no reason you guys can't.

[Raps in 4]

Hire a new coach and bring in role players that can shoot the ball. These are simple fixes that can be done in a single offseason. If that doesn't work, blow it up.

[Syd-TK3]

If we don't resign Lowry Demar is gonna need to learn to play make like harden

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[mattkobe1984]

Lowry is one of all time great raptors but with what's at stake of the raptors franchise I think is time to move on. As deronzon is and will be the face of the franchise in this era, we need to avoid being the likes of blazers with Lillard and cj McCollum.

I am not good with working trades but I would start off maybe we can throw something to the blazers to see if they bite since they are probably in no mans land. Lowry + assets for Lillard.

Also what should we do with JV, please lock it if the thread is useless