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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#81 » by Darthlukey » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:18 am

ViperGTS wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
reload141 wrote:Reckon they are after Tatum as Haywards backup after they move Bradley/Crowder for Butler/George.


Id trade Bradley and Crowder for George. Throw in some picks too just not anything top 5


That doesn't work on Indys end either. They want a high lotto pick for PG even if he has one year left. They don't want FA to be Avery and Jae "No hops" Crowder. If that's all it took, Avery and Jae with a crappy pick..do it tomorrow even if for one year. Maybe you sell him on staying somehow, someway.

You would imagine pacers flip bradley and crowder for future firsts, though not likely lottery
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#82 » by SparringPartner » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:19 am

reload141 wrote:People worried Sac will be out of the bottom 5 in 2 years? I'm sorry, what talent do they have to crawl out of those depths?


If the BRK pick goes top 3, I almost hope the LAL pick misses. That 2019 SAC pick is so locked for top 3,


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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#83 » by The Corey's » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:19 am

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The Corey's wrote:Of course it's not my standard. That's absurd.

It's your standard when you said the Sixers can enjoy us playing in the next 5 June's.

Only teams in the finals play in June. If you wanna admit your mistake we can move on and I won't hold you to it. Otherwise I'm gonna take you at your word


Homie, you the one speaking a whole day going all-in on hating this trade as a complete disaster.

My response?

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NOT GOING TO WORK OUT FOR YOU.

PREPARED TO BE BOARDED.


So... If the Celtics win the ship I get egg on my face?

I can live with that 8-)
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#84 » by return2glory » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:21 am

Unfortunately there is a solid chance we are trading the 3rd overall pick to the Bulls for Jimmy Butler. Butler would be a strong addition but it takes all the fun out of this year's draft.

Not sure on the details of it goes down but some package from us that includes the 3rd pick overall. Supposedly the Bulls had called the Sixers for the Sixers pick, 3rd overall before they made the trade with the Celtics.

So Butler and Hayward can be possible additions. We better be keeping Jaylen Brown. I feel that's been Danny's plan for a while. Adding Butler and Hayward to Thomas and Horford. Hopefully we keep Jaylen, Marcus, Zizic, Yabs, the Nets 2018 pick, and Crowder.

Thomas/Smart
Hayward/Brown
Butler/Crowder
Horford/Yabs
Zizic/Jordan Bell?
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#85 » by KGboss » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:21 am

Edit.

Toning down my rage.

Ill be back later but if no follow up happens here....
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#86 » by BigTrade92 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:21 am

Unless Anthony Davis is on his way to Boston, there's no positive spin to this.

Adding Butler or George and possibly Hayward or Griffin doesn't win us a title in the near future over the Warriors.

So we just blew our load and may get nothing out of it besides a few Finals L's and we'll be back to square one in five years time.

Wonderful.....great rebuild into a pseudo-contender....whoopie. :nonono:

Those of you doing mental gymnastics to try and defend this shortsighted monstrosity of a move is simultaneously hilarious and sad.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#87 » by The Corey's » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:21 am

I'm gooing to bed.

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All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#88 » by SparringPartner » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:23 am

Based on my analysis of the last two days of posts
I have determined the median age of this board is 23 years 234 days


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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#89 » by bucknersrevenge » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:23 am

So, any chance we trade down to 5 and 10? Trade the 5 and other picks for Butler and then drafting DSJ at 10 maybe? We've brought him in for 2 workouts now.

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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#90 » by The Rondo Show » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:24 am

ViperGTS wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
reload141 wrote:Reckon they are after Tatum as Haywards backup after they move Bradley/Crowder for Butler/George.


Id trade Bradley and Crowder for George. Throw in some picks too just not anything top 5


That doesn't work on Indys end either. They want a high lotto pick for PG even if he has one year left. They don't want FA to be Avery and Jae "No hops" Crowder. If that's all it took, Avery and Jae with a crappy pick..do it tomorrow even if for one year. Maybe you sell him on staying somehow, someway.
They can want it, but can they get that high lotto pick is the question. Many believe the Lakers prefer to wait for George to hit FA, and seemingly every other team that would be willing to gamble would have to be a contender. And contenders don't have those high lotto picks to dangle. Who takes that gamble in high lottery out of PHX, SAC, ORL, MIN, NY or DAL? Tough to find any that make sense. IND is in a very tough spot with all the rumors of PG to LA. It'll cost more than Bradley and Crowder, but do think there is a buy low window there where you avoid giving up that elite lotto pick asset, unless the Lakers make a panic move and get heavily involved.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#91 » by Captain_Caveman » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:25 am

BigTrade92 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:To the insiders who know things - is the All-Star we are chasing via trade a name we've heard before, or is it a brand new name?


No inside info necessary. We know the names. Will try to add two, while keeping IT and Horford, but several top-tier and second-tier assets to boot.

Cannot wait to bury the haters in a funeral pyre of their own ****.

IT'S COMING.


How so? We all knew we could grab Butler or George with the first overall pick. That isn't exactly breaking news.

That problem a majority of us are having is that getting one of them and either Hayward or Griffin MAY get us past the Cavs, but it doesn't get us past the Warriors.

So if we're not winning a title by going "all in" now, then why go "all in"' now? Draft Fultz, develop him, Brown and the BKN 18 selection and build a stud team, a la the Warriors, that will replace the Warriors when they fade out.

Now we force our own hand to push all the chips in, and we may get 0 titles out of it. Oh and by the way, we just paved the way for the Sixers to have a power squad in a few years time.

This was an extremely shortsighted move.


Here's you the day of the Nets trade:
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BigTrade92 wrote:My anger at this crap trade is unfathomable.

We just traded the Captain and the Big Ticket for NOTHING!


Take a seat and eat your applesauce. When I want your opinion, I will have your nurse crush it up and mix it with your Metamucil.

Shhhh!!!!
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#92 » by JJtheBricklayer » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:26 am

BigTrade92 wrote:Unless Anthony Davis is on his way to Boston, there's no positive spin to this.

Adding Butler or George and possibly Hayward or Griffin doesn't win us a title in the near future over the Warriors.

So we just blew our load and may get nothing out of it besides a few Finals L's and we'll be back to square one in five years time.

Wonderful.....great rebuild into a pseudo-contender....whoopie. :nonono:


Clippers East!

I thought after Cleveland humiliated us Ainge understood that we werent 1 or 2 minor upgrades away.

This team needs an Anthony DAvis type talent or it needs to be blown up. This flirting with contention while trying to rebuild on the fly is going to leave us stuck in mediocrity.

Theres a legitimate chance the Celts get ZERO picks in the top 5 next year which would leave us in terrible shape after passing on our first number easy consensus number 1 pick ever...
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#93 » by Darthlukey » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:29 am

The Rondo Show wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
Id trade Bradley and Crowder for George. Throw in some picks too just not anything top 5


That doesn't work on Indys end either. They want a high lotto pick for PG even if he has one year left. They don't want FA to be Avery and Jae "No hops" Crowder. If that's all it took, Avery and Jae with a crappy pick..do it tomorrow even if for one year. Maybe you sell him on staying somehow, someway.
They can want it, but can they get that high lotto pick is the question. Many believe the Lakers prefer to wait for George to hit FA, and seemingly every other team that would be willing to gamble would have to be a contender. And contenders don't have those high lotto picks to dangle. Who takes that gamble in high lottery out of PHX, SAC, ORL, MIN, NY or DAL? Tough to find any that make sense. IND is in a very tough spot with all the rumors of PG to LA. It'll cost more than Bradley and Crowder, but do think there is a buy low window there where you avoid giving up that elite lotto pick asset, unless the Lakers make a panic move and get heavily involved.

Work on Detroit and wolves with bradley Crowder and rozier to try and get a pick out of them. Then we can move that in a package that may better suit the pacers without moving our young talent or better picks
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#94 » by Murta » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:29 am

Bob Cooney‏ @BobCooney76

Markelle Fultz not exactly impressing with his shooting so far


Spinning this positive - Fultz didn't shoot well with the Celtics, nor with the Sixers. He had 67% FT%. Is he an overrated shooter? Because the line of demarcation for Fultz can become in the NBA is strictly correlated with how well he can shoot.

What I definitely do like is that Ainge now has 3 strong assets - #3, Nets 2018 and LAL/SAC - to play with. But if we end up with Josh Jackson only, I'll definitely be disappointed.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#95 » by BillessuR6 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:30 am

This only makes sesnse if Ainge actually thinks JJ or Tatum will be better than Fultz. Or if he already has a trade set up for a star and he can get him for the 3rd pick and players. That means we get an allstar but are still left with a top pick in future years...
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All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#96 » by SparringPartner » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:30 am

Wyc, the all knowing, said during this years playoff run, the Celtics were two players away from truly competing.

Ainge publicly states the Celtics have good players but they need great players.

Ainge states the Celtics will concentrate on adding All-Star front-court players.

HELLO Mr. Hayward & Mr. George!


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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#97 » by BigTrade92 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:32 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
BigTrade92 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
No inside info necessary. We know the names. Will try to add two, while keeping IT and Horford, but several top-tier and second-tier assets to boot.

Cannot wait to bury the haters in a funeral pyre of their own ****.

IT'S COMING.


How so? We all knew we could grab Butler or George with the first overall pick. That isn't exactly breaking news.

That problem a majority of us are having is that getting one of them and either Hayward or Griffin MAY get us past the Cavs, but it doesn't get us past the Warriors.

So if we're not winning a title by going "all in" now, then why go "all in"' now? Draft Fultz, develop him, Brown and the BKN 18 selection and build a stud team, a la the Warriors, that will replace the Warriors when they fade out.

Now we force our own hand to push all the chips in, and we may get 0 titles out of it. Oh and by the way, we just paved the way for the Sixers to have a power squad in a few years time.

This was an extremely shortsighted move.


Here's you the day of the Nets trade:
viewtopic.php?p=36301037#p36301037

BigTrade92 wrote:My anger at this crap trade is unfathomable.

We just traded the Captain and the Big Ticket for NOTHING!


Take a seat and eat your applesauce. When I want your opinion, I will have your nurse crush it up and mix it with your Metamucil.

Shhhh!!!!


Excellent use of the look up feature. :roll: Yes, many of us we're upset at the time that Pierce wasn't able to retire a Celtic. It still pisses me off. Sorry, emotionally I wasn't happy he didn't get that opportunity. In hindsight, excellent trade.

Still doesn't change the fact that pushing all our chips in now is a shortsighted move that forces our hand, when we held all the cards to begin with. Trading for a 30 year old Butler just so we can loses in the Finals doesn't really change that.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#98 » by djFan71 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:32 am

Darthlukey wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
Id trade Bradley and Crowder for George. Throw in some picks too just not anything top 5


That doesn't work on Indys end either. They want a high lotto pick for PG even if he has one year left. They don't want FA to be Avery and Jae "No hops" Crowder. If that's all it took, Avery and Jae with a crappy pick..do it tomorrow even if for one year. Maybe you sell him on staying somehow, someway.

You would imagine pacers flip bradley and crowder for future firsts, though not likely lottery

Or do some of it for them. I think we still gotta clear salary for max space, so if there's any legs to that AB/BOS18 to MIN for #7, you get cap space and also a good piece you could flip IND way. I think it would take more to get that #7, though. Or, you split #3 into 5/10 from SAC and take Tatum\Isaac at 5, send 10 over. Jae/Rozier/10/Yabu/LAC19 and salary (Zeller/AMir/JJ whatever) is a pretty decent haul for a guy that's going to bolt. Nobody else is offering that. But, you also can't offer too little or IND just plays it out.

On George, I actually think he'll be better next year. He's now 3 years past the injury, played a full 2 seasons. I think it takes time to get back from that sort of injury.
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Post#99 » by Darthlukey » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:33 am

thebirdman wrote:This only makes sesnse if Ainge actually thinks JJ or Tatum will be better than Fultz. Or if he already has a trade set up for a star and he can get him for the 3rd pick and players. That means we get an allstar but are still left with a top pick in future years...

I so wouldn't mind if we could move 3 spare parts or late picks for 5&10 and Wcs. Especially if Tatum was still around at 5.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#100 » by Captain_Caveman » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:33 am

BigTrade92 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
BigTrade92 wrote:
How so? We all knew we could grab Butler or George with the first overall pick. That isn't exactly breaking news.

That problem a majority of us are having is that getting one of them and either Hayward or Griffin MAY get us past the Cavs, but it doesn't get us past the Warriors.

So if we're not winning a title by going "all in" now, then why go "all in"' now? Draft Fultz, develop him, Brown and the BKN 18 selection and build a stud team, a la the Warriors, that will replace the Warriors when they fade out.

Now we force our own hand to push all the chips in, and we may get 0 titles out of it. Oh and by the way, we just paved the way for the Sixers to have a power squad in a few years time.

This was an extremely shortsighted move.


Here's you the day of the Nets trade:
viewtopic.php?p=36301037#p36301037

BigTrade92 wrote:My anger at this crap trade is unfathomable.

We just traded the Captain and the Big Ticket for NOTHING!


Take a seat and eat your applesauce. When I want your opinion, I will have your nurse crush it up and mix it with your Metamucil.

Shhhh!!!!


Excellent use of the look up feature. :roll: Yes, many of us we're upset at the time that Pierce wasn't able to retire a Celtic. It still pisses me off. Sorry, emotionally I wasn't happy he didn't get that opportunity. In hindsight, excellent trade.

Still doesn't change the fact that pushing all our chips in now is a shortsighted move that forces our hand to go all in. Trading for a 30 year old Butler just so we can loses in the Finals doesn't really change that.


Honestly not mad, but just as an FYI, any discussions between us just ended forever a post ago.

That was a decapitation strike.

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