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Political Roundtable Part XVI

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#81 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Nov 7, 2017 9:45 pm

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Zonkerbl wrote:I think what we're saying, Popper, is everyone who voted for Trump has lost the trust of everyone else and the burden is on Trump supporters to earn that trust back. I don't think anyone's going to accept "I held my nose while I voted for Trump."

Democracy is on fire right now and you are holding a can of gasoline in your hands. Are you going to help us put out the fire now?


Sure. I’ll help. If Mueller and his team of 15 experienced prosecutors find something criminal involving Trump I’ll advocate for impeachment. We’ll see what they come up with.


Fair enough. Although I don't think they'll find anything. It's an entertaining sideshow but I'm pretty sure if Trump had actually colluded he would've blurted it out by now. Dude has no discipline.

Although maybe he's guilty of obstruction of justice. Maybe Mueller wants to set a precedent - don't ever fire an FBI director in the middle of an investigation again. You will be impeached.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#82 » by Wizardspride » Tue Nov 7, 2017 9:47 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#83 » by montestewart » Tue Nov 7, 2017 9:50 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:
popper wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:I think what we're saying, Popper, is everyone who voted for Trump has lost the trust of everyone else and the burden is on Trump supporters to earn that trust back. I don't think anyone's going to accept "I held my nose while I voted for Trump."

Democracy is on fire right now and you are holding a can of gasoline in your hands. Are you going to help us put out the fire now?


Sure. I’ll help. If Mueller and his team of 15 experienced prosecutors find something criminal involving Trump I’ll advocate for impeachment. We’ll see what they come up with.


Fair enough. Although I don't think they'll find anything. It's an entertaining sideshow but I'm pretty sure if Trump had actually colluded he would've blurted it out by now. Dude has no discipline.

Didn't he already blurt out classified information to the Russian ambassador right on camera?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#84 » by Wizardspride » Tue Nov 7, 2017 9:54 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:
popper wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:I think what we're saying, Popper, is everyone who voted for Trump has lost the trust of everyone else and the burden is on Trump supporters to earn that trust back. I don't think anyone's going to accept "I held my nose while I voted for Trump."

Democracy is on fire right now and you are holding a can of gasoline in your hands. Are you going to help us put out the fire now?


Sure. I’ll help. If Mueller and his team of 15 experienced prosecutors find something criminal involving Trump I’ll advocate for impeachment. We’ll see what they come up with.


Fair enough. Although I don't think they'll find anything. It's an entertaining sideshow but I'm pretty sure if Trump had actually colluded he would've blurted it out by now. Dude has no discipline.

Although maybe he's guilty of obstruction of justice. Maybe Mueller wants to set a precedent - don't ever fire an FBI director in the middle of an investigation again. You will be impeached.

I'm not so sure about that.

With recent revelations we know for a fact Trump flat out lied about his campaign's contacts with Russians.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#85 » by Wizardspride » Tue Nov 7, 2017 10:00 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#86 » by bsilver » Tue Nov 7, 2017 10:00 pm

gtn130 wrote:
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gtn130 wrote:
Yeah, the thing is, I don't ascribe a ton of intellectual honesty (or honesty in general) to people who continually vote for the party of Paul Ryan and Donald Trump that wants to harm minorities, harm poor people, harm the environment, harm democracy and deregulate guns in the name of slashing taxes on corporations and airing racial grievances.

Popper is trying to have it both ways where he doesn't like Trump because he's so crass (such harsh words he uses! such tone!) yet supports his agenda hook, line and sinker. You can't pick and choose parts of Trump that you like or dislike and still maintain any credibility. This isn't some moderate John Kasich we're talking about - it's an evil buffoon who endorses the Klan.

Pro tip: you guys can keep clutching your pearls and being outraged snowflakes whenever your views are questioned, but a better route would be to rethink things.


I think you over-simplify the choices and internal calculations that take place when one is deciding who to vote for. Many times we are presented with two bad options as we were in this last election. I held my nose and chose my least favorite R over Clinton. I’ll look back in 2020 and decide whether or not that was the right decision for me, my family and our country.


Cool, bro, but the fact remains that you voted for the pussy-grabbing Nazi-loving Putin shill because Hillary did emails. The fact that you can't adequately parse how 'bad' each candidate actually was shows that you're either brainwashed by Fox News or not being honest. Read up on things more or bow out.

I don't get your point. Voters that identify as Democrat/Liberal or Republican/Conservative make their decision based on issues. Hillary's emails, Benghazi, etc had nothing to do with their decision. Those were issues emphasized by Republicans to try to sway swing voters.

I'm not a swing voter and will always vote for the Democrat because they will support legislation/judge picks that I support. I knew Bill Clinton was a racist sleazeball and voted for him anyway, and don't regret it. I assume Popper makes voting decisions the same way, as did most Trump voters.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#87 » by dckingsfan » Tue Nov 7, 2017 10:05 pm

montestewart wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:
popper wrote:
Sure. I’ll help. If Mueller and his team of 15 experienced prosecutors find something criminal involving Trump I’ll advocate for impeachment. We’ll see what they come up with.


Fair enough. Although I don't think they'll find anything. It's an entertaining sideshow but I'm pretty sure if Trump had actually colluded he would've blurted it out by now. Dude has no discipline.

Didn't he already blurt out classified information to the Russian ambassador right on camera?

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And then it was justified by the following argument: If the president says it, it is no longer classified :)
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Re: RE: Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#88 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 10:34 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:What I hate about all Republicans right now is their refusal to engage with anyone but other Republicans. On guns it's excuses, excuses, no listening, no dialogue. On Trump it's excuses, excuses, no listening, no dialogue. On health care - no listening, no dialogue. On taxes - no listening, no dialogue.

Obama had the POTUS, the Senate, and the House, and he still made a point to always leave the door open for bipartisan discussion. The Republicans gave him the finger. The Republicans have deliberately shut everybody out of the conversation - even their own base.

THAT'S not tolerable. THAT'S inexcusable. You are an American citizen. You have a civic responsibility to respect the rights of all the other citizens stuck in here with your ungrateful a$$. That means listening and being willing to compromise. Not just make up excuse after excuse after excuse. And then you're shocked when people get angry at you.

It may feel good to provoke people into a spitting rage. Maybe it makes you feel superior. But eventually those people are going to get the message that you're not listening and nothing you say actually matters, that there's no point negotiating with you. And that's when the revolution comes and all our backs will be up against the wall and we'll be asking ourselves - "wait, why am *I* up against the wall? I didn't do anything?!?!"

But you did. You DID. And you brought us all down with you.

We have an extraordinarily high rate of income inequality in this country. It's not sustainable. Maybe not this generation, maybe not the next, but the peasant revolt is coming. You'll be sorry we have 300 million guns then.

/incoherent rant off

Sorry that didn't make any sense, I just really need to vent.

Ahhhhh, so much better.

Bro I've been calling for a peasant revolt for damn near 90 pages. Nobody's with me.

Weekdays worse is i don't think most of you guys understand where the real Revolt is or who it's against.

Cough cough Let Me Clear My Throat and say that again.

The problem is you don't know who the Revolt is against and by you, I mean you in particular.

You think this Revolt is against Trump? And the band of Trump Republicans? Basically some of the poorest people in the country?. That's who the peasants are going to revolt against? the other peasants? A revolt against themselves, huh?

Get a grip. I'll be happy to educate on who the revolt is actually against. Oh wait I've already been mentioning them for 80 Pages you defended them. Bankers Biotches! Now if you woke, then stay woke mafachah!

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#89 » by gtn130 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 10:46 pm

bsilver wrote:
gtn130 wrote:
popper wrote:
I think you over-simplify the choices and internal calculations that take place when one is deciding who to vote for. Many times we are presented with two bad options as we were in this last election. I held my nose and chose my least favorite R over Clinton. I’ll look back in 2020 and decide whether or not that was the right decision for me, my family and our country.


Cool, bro, but the fact remains that you voted for the pussy-grabbing Nazi-loving Putin shill because Hillary did emails. The fact that you can't adequately parse how 'bad' each candidate actually was shows that you're either brainwashed by Fox News or not being honest. Read up on things more or bow out.

I don't get your point. Voters that identify as Democrat/Liberal or Republican/Conservative make their decision based on issues. Hillary's emails, Benghazi, etc had nothing to do with their decision. Those were issues emphasized by Republicans to try to sway swing voters.

I'm not a swing voter and will always vote for the Democrat because they will support legislation/judge picks that I support. I knew Bill Clinton was a racist sleazeball and voted for him anyway, and don't regret it. I assume Popper makes voting decisions the same way, as did most Trump voters.


Man, idk what to tell you if you don't think emails and wikileaks played a significant role in the election.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#90 » by bsilver » Tue Nov 7, 2017 11:09 pm

gtn130 wrote:
bsilver wrote:
gtn130 wrote:
Cool, bro, but the fact remains that you voted for the pussy-grabbing Nazi-loving Putin shill because Hillary did emails. The fact that you can't adequately parse how 'bad' each candidate actually was shows that you're either brainwashed by Fox News or not being honest. Read up on things more or bow out.

I don't get your point. Voters that identify as Democrat/Liberal or Republican/Conservative make their decision based on issues. Hillary's emails, Benghazi, etc had nothing to do with their decision. Those were issues emphasized by Republicans to try to sway swing voters.

I'm not a swing voter and will always vote for the Democrat because they will support legislation/judge picks that I support. I knew Bill Clinton was a racist sleazeball and voted for him anyway, and don't regret it. I assume Popper makes voting decisions the same way, as did most Trump voters.


Man, idk what to tell you if you don't think emails and wikileaks played a significant role in the election.

I know they played some role. My point was that they didn't influence Republicans, like Popper, or Democrats.

Clinton lost the election because she lost blue collar swing voters in PA, WI, and MI. IMO she lost those voters because they couldn't stand her.
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Re: RE: Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#91 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Nov 7, 2017 11:37 pm

bsilver wrote:
gtn130 wrote:
bsilver wrote:I don't get your point. Voters that identify as Democrat/Liberal or Republican/Conservative make their decision based on issues. Hillary's emails, Benghazi, etc had nothing to do with their decision. Those were issues emphasized by Republicans to try to sway swing voters.

I'm not a swing voter and will always vote for the Democrat because they will support legislation/judge picks that I support. I knew Bill Clinton was a racist sleazeball and voted for him anyway, and don't regret it. I assume Popper makes voting decisions the same way, as did most Trump voters.


Man, idk what to tell you if you don't think emails and wikileaks played a significant role in the election.

I know they played some role. My point was that they didn't influence Republicans, like Popper, or Democrats.

Clinton lost the election because she lost blue collar swing voters in PA, WI, and MI. IMO she lost those voters because they couldn't stand her.

Exactly. She lost people like me. A tried n true, midwestern, swing voter.

And gtn you've made no compelling argument to swing my vote back the other way. Now my heart is open and my vote is on the table but you got to negotiate for it.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#92 » by Wizardspride » Wed Nov 8, 2017 2:29 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#93 » by Wizardspride » Wed Nov 8, 2017 2:37 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#94 » by closg00 » Wed Nov 8, 2017 2:43 am

Wow, I was completely wrong about Northam and VA's disdain for Trump
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#96 » by Wizardspride » Wed Nov 8, 2017 2:54 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#98 » by Wizardspride » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:11 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#99 » by DCZards » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:21 am

bsilver wrote:I know they played some role. My point was that they didn't influence Republicans, like Popper, or Democrats.

Clinton lost the election because she lost blue collar swing voters in PA, WI, and MI. IMO she lost those voters because they couldn't stand her.


Yes, there were blue collar swing voters who voted against Clinton because they couldn't stand her. (Not sure what these voters had against HRC to the point that they couldn't stand her.) But she also lost a lot of these votes simply because she was a woman.

However, I think the chief reason Hillary lost those votes and states was because Trump promised this utopian (and unrealistic) vision of a return to the good old days of plentiful manufacturing jobs. Some of these voters were also turned on by Trump's appeal to their racism and fears of the other (i.e. Latino and Muslims).
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVI 

Post#100 » by Wizardspride » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:30 am

The Democrats are killing it...IN VIRGINIA of all places.

Even I underestimated the loathing of Trump.

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