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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#81 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 1, 2018 11:40 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Oh man I would've gotten into so much trouble with what I was about to post. But yeah Hope Hicks is hot.

Trump's got a whole closet-full of her in the east wing - plenty to go around in 3 years.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#82 » by closg00 » Fri Mar 2, 2018 12:47 am

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Hmmm, "Michael Flynn had been dishonest about what he told her". Translation, they have to discredit Flynn and everything he can finger them on.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#83 » by cammac » Fri Mar 2, 2018 12:48 am

This is what Trumps best friend internationally would do!
Putin's pet Donald pissed his bestie off... to answer insubordination a message was sent.
Russia flexed its muscles Thursday when it unveiled new “invincible” nuclear weapons. President Vladimir Putin drove home the point by playing a video that appeared to show those missiles, which he said could hit almost anywhere in the world, striking Florida.


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/vladimir-putin-video-missiles-florida_us_5a985961e4b0a0ba4ad157f0
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#84 » by montestewart » Fri Mar 2, 2018 12:54 am

cammac wrote:This is what Trumps best friend internationally would do!
Putin's pet Donald pissed his bestie off... to answer insubordination a message was sent.
Russia flexed its muscles Thursday when it unveiled new “invincible” nuclear weapons. President Vladimir Putin drove home the point by playing a video that appeared to show those missiles, which he said could hit almost anywhere in the world, striking Florida.


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/vladimir-putin-video-missiles-florida_us_5a985961e4b0a0ba4ad157f0

Florida citizens would Stand Their Ground and blast that **** out of the sky
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#85 » by closg00 » Fri Mar 2, 2018 3:29 am

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Post#86 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Mar 2, 2018 4:46 am

Kanyewest wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
closg00 wrote:

He is a deplorable after all
Evil comes in EVERY BODY. A human who is liberal can be evil. A human being who identifies as conservative can be evil. Regardless of age, race, gender, POLITICS...

PEOPLE CAN DO EVIL

The real problem in America is labels.

"Libtards"
"deplorables"
I am a liberal
I am a conservative

Angry about politics----->EVIL

THE IRRATIONALLY STRONG EMOTIONAL RESPONSES THAT PEOPLE GIVE OVER THEIR POLITICS IS THE REAL PROBLEM.

FOOLS WITH GUNS IS THE REAL PROBLEM. Evil people kill people.

Labeling the mass shooting problem a mental health problem, rather than a spiritual issue is also a huge.

Cruz fits a profile. White guy with powerful weapon. Deplorable is really a superficial observation just white guy. Look deeper...

Dad dies, Mom not there, dude says demons prompt him... And because everybody "wants to have a gun" he can get one real easy down in Florida.

Just to conclude I don't like that term deplorable and I don't like libtard.

America is a house divided. People look at Trump but they don't look for God. People look at Obama but they don't look for God.





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The thing was though was that conservative groups like 4Chan trolled the national media and generated fake content to back up the claim that Cruz was a white supremacist. This was done in effort to make national media sources seem less credible. But now it turns out that the shooter is a white supremacist after all which is kind of funny until you remember that a bunch of people lost their lives.


Before they released pictures of the victims, i wondered WHO he chose to shoot. Having seen the faces of the fallen 17, I doubt supremacist. He shot up everything and anyone.

HERE IS MY GUESS/DIAGNOSIS of Luka Cruz:

Dysphoric Mania with a lot of other stressors

https://www.bphope.com/blog/welcome-to-my-dysphoric-manic-world/

--TRAUMATIC LIFE EVENTS with internalized anger (Death of parent/absent parent birthed seething anger at God/mankind)
--I would be willing to wager he played VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES (Graphic violent imagery birthed ideation and desensitized)
--Reality system impaired by what seems to me to be DYSPHORIC MANIA (see link above)
--EVIL vengeful by nature personality (Lacking values and also lack of love/nurturing/discipline)
--NUMBER ONE ROOT for bizarre stuff is GENERALLY psychotropic medications. They can make people trip out in violent ways. (A bipolar person misdiagnosed and prescribed Zoloft could hit the roof going off)

In short, I don't think he was with the program at all. He was NOT a white supremacist IMO. Too "cray cray". LONER who was trying to fit in. They both envision violent confrontations. Both gun nut groups. Cruz hated ANYTHING that breathed that crossed his path while his demons ruled.


ALL OF THIS ABOVE IS CLINICAL STUFF THAT I DEDUCE. I have hella knowledge as a mental health consumer. A Wellness Recovery Action Plan Facilitator (Copeland Center) ... and a guy that knows a thing or two about bipolar disorder. :nod:

THE REAL PROBLEM IS SPIRITUAL...even if a lot of that stuff above needs medical intervention.

Above all else, the LOVE of GOD and the FEAR of God... COMBINED WITH A NURTURING CHURCH HOME AND CHURCH FAMILY could have at least poured into that depraved young man's SOUL.

GOD'S LOVE IS THE CURE FOR WHAT ILLS.... and, sadly what kills. The thief comes to kill, steal, and destroy. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+10%3A10

The killer really was listening to demons. The killings could have been PERHAPS preempted by DIVINE INTERVENTION...

plus a stay on the psyche ward when Cruz was episodic. HE IS A SICK, MEAN-SPIRITED INDIVIDUAL... but I see a hurting child. AN ADOLESCENT with a hurting soul. He shot up freshman. Something BAD HAPPENED TO HIM AT THAT AGE. He associated and PROJECTED ON THE SCHOOL AS HAVING VIOLATED HIM.

I offer ALL THE ABOVE TO HELP. Maybe, just maybe my INSIGHT can help others.

1(800)273-8255 is a crisis line for Veterans and ANYONE CONSIDERING SUICIDE


If you're having weird/depressed/hopeless/raging ... thoughts: CRY OUT TO JESUS and say, "LORD please help me... I BELIEVE creator of all things in the universe that YOU CAN IF IT BE YOUR WILL.... GOD ALWAYS PROVIDES A MEANS OF ESCAPE FROM TEMPTATION

Proverbs 18:21 CHOOSE LIFE ... your words can claim VICTORY in advance...

"This, too, shall pass" ... whatever it is... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_too_shall_pass
if you have a TEMPER or PROBLEMS WITH ANGER... Remember: do not let the sun go down on your wrath... http://biblehub.com/ephesians/4-26.htm

If you feel ashamed, unloved, unworthy .... YOU ARE GOD'S (beautiful, wonderfully unique, LOVED) CHILD
just ASK HIM TO SHOW YOU... and EXPECTANTLY WAIT..... never fails, GOD IS GOOD ALL THE TIME...

LAST: Feelings are just feelings. They change all the time. Life is WORTH LIVING TO THE FULLEST. choose life.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#87 » by NCHeels2008 » Fri Mar 2, 2018 5:44 am

Do people think other western countries don't have mentally ill people who fantasize mass shootings? The difference is we make assault rifles wayyyy more accessible than any of the other highly developed countries. Look I'm Christian, but our gun policy is like bulldozing all the hospitals and doctors offices down and relying purely on thoughts and prayers to sustain us. God will protect us, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want the human race to be reckless. A country that's healthy spiritually has little to do with this, because we are talking about people on the margins. Our gun policy is the equivalent of Jesus jumping off a cliff to dare God to save him.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#88 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Mar 2, 2018 6:21 am

Well, there are two pieces to this. Guns are so easily available outliers like Cruz have easy access to them. But we may also have a lot of outliers because our crap health system lets people like Cruz slip right through the cracks, not get diagnosed, or given a cookie-cutter prescription that doesn’t work for them.

Although everybody was aware this kid had problems. They were doing what they could, if I recall correctly. Sometimes you just have to admit, this time it was easy access to guns.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#89 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Mar 2, 2018 6:31 am

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People, including members of this board, keep asking “where’s the proof of crimes?” This always stuns me. He committed TREASON (well, ok, whatever, but basically treason) in front of your face! In front of all of us! On live tv! We all saw the same thing! He flat out instructed the Russians to please steal Hillary’s emails! He should be in jail already!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#90 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Mar 2, 2018 6:34 am

cammac wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
montestewart wrote:Probably respond by bringing administration and government power to bear on shutting down Washington Post as anti-democratic (continually attacking elected president) and anti-Constitution (repeatedly attacking Second Amendment by attacking NRA). While even a few of his ardent supporters watch in astonishment, he will soon have 30% of the country convinced that shutting down the Washington Post is not only a legitimate end but is entirely legal under the Constitution, and Facebook and other marketplces of non-ideas will be filled with comments like "It sits on Federal land for free" and "the First Amendment doesn't protect treason" and other low-IQ echo chamber nonsense. None of them will be able to admit that it's just their hero angry at a fellow non-taxpayer

You KNOW he would kill NAFTA... just know it.


He is already killing the spirit of NAFTA.
300% Tariff on Canadian Aircraft defeated
32-35% Tariff on Canadian Softwood Lumber & Pulp .....will be defeated
25% Tariff on Solar Cells aimed at China but applied to the rest of the world
10 & 25% on Aluminum & Steel aimed at China but will be applied to the rest of the world.
The man has no idea what he is going to unleash in Tariff and bans in other sectors.
The man is a idiot!


My economist colleagues have been warning for decades that stuff like this would lead to a trade war. Will be interesting to see what actually happens.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#91 » by cammac » Fri Mar 2, 2018 7:27 am

Zonkerbl wrote:
cammac wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:You KNOW he would kill NAFTA... just know it.


He is already killing the spirit of NAFTA.
300% Tariff on Canadian Aircraft defeated
32-35% Tariff on Canadian Softwood Lumber & Pulp .....will be defeated
25% Tariff on Solar Cells aimed at China but applied to the rest of the world
10 & 25% on Aluminum & Steel aimed at China but will be applied to the rest of the world.
The man has no idea what he is going to unleash in Tariff and bans in other sectors.
The man is a idiot!


My economist colleagues have been warning for decades that stuff like this would lead to a trade war. Will be interesting to see what actually happens.


Tariffs are essentially taxes that cause prices to go up and the consumer in the end suffers. A prime example is softwood lumber even with the large tariff Canada is still selling a similar volume of lumber to the USA. The reality is the USA is unable to produce enough lumber for demand in the area of 25 to 30% shortfall. Canada is close has the reserves and is competitive in the world stage. Who benefits? Not the consumer since the prices rise and they pay more for lumber. Georgia Pacific is a huge winner in the deal they are the largest lumber supplier in the USA. Who owns Georgia Pacific? The Koch Brothers.

Tariffs should be imposed but in a targeted way yes China is dumping steel & aluminum in the USA. Which by the way Trump took advantage of in his construction projects. But instead of identifying the target country and punishing them Trump has made the tariff on every country as he did with solar panels. What are the implications? Many consumer goods including cars get more expensive and important industries like the aircraft industry become less competitive in the world market. Plus the world will punish the USA putting tariffs on a wide array of American produced products. On sector that will be seriously affected is Agriculture in areas that backed Trump.

The 1st. indication was today's drop in the stock market which will continue and the beginning of inflation. Trumps dream of a 3% GDP growth will not happen just as lasts year GDP was in the 2.4 range.

This is the beginning of the USA heading for a recession with ultra high inflation.
You elected him you got him!

The United Steelworkers, which backs Trump's actions, has urged the administration to leave out Canada, arguing that they aren't part of the problem.


http://thehill.com/regulation/international/376336-canada-threatens-retaliation-on-trump-tariffs
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#92 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Mar 2, 2018 7:44 am

Well what's interesting is the US is a much more service-oriented economy than we were back in the early 20th century, the last time we had a trade war (right before the Great Depression). Since manufacturing is so small for us now, but big for China, the game theory outcome might be different, since the payoffs are tilted in our favor more than they were earlier.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#93 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Mar 2, 2018 8:03 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#94 » by Wizardspride » Fri Mar 2, 2018 10:48 am

Read on Twitter
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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Post#95 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Mar 2, 2018 10:58 am

Wizardspride wrote:
Read on Twitter
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"Mr. McCabe rose quickly through the F.B.I. ranks and was seen as a new model for the second-in-command when he was promoted in 2016. The F.B.I. had transformed from a law-and-order agency to an integral part of the nation’s intelligence apparatus, and Mr. McCabe, who graduated from Duke and Washington University School of Law in St. Louis, was picked not based on a career of street work but based on his intellect and decision-making.

That won him equal parts praise and disdain inside the F.B.I., with longtime agents accusing him of having ascended too quickly."

No good deed goes unpunished. Here is a talented guy who tried to do what was right in a very difficult environment. His life sucks now.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#96 » by Wizardspride » Fri Mar 2, 2018 1:50 pm

Does make you think....

Read on Twitter
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Post#97 » by gtn130 » Fri Mar 2, 2018 2:34 pm

Wizardspride wrote:Does make you think....

Read on Twitter
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Makes me think about emails, Benghazi and the FISA warrant application process

LOUD NOISES
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#98 » by Wizardspride » Fri Mar 2, 2018 3:06 pm

gtn130 wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:Does make you think....

Read on Twitter
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Makes me think about emails, Benghazi and the FISA warrant application process

LOUD NOISES

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#99 » by Wizardspride » Fri Mar 2, 2018 5:01 pm

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Post#100 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Mar 2, 2018 5:22 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Evil comes in EVERY BODY. A human who is liberal can be evil. A human being who identifies as conservative can be evil. Regardless of age, race, gender, POLITICS...

PEOPLE CAN DO EVIL

The real problem in America is labels.

"Libtards"
"deplorables"
I am a liberal
I am a conservative

Angry about politics----->EVIL

THE IRRATIONALLY STRONG EMOTIONAL RESPONSES THAT PEOPLE GIVE OVER THEIR POLITICS IS THE REAL PROBLEM.

FOOLS WITH GUNS IS THE REAL PROBLEM. Evil people kill people.

Labeling the mass shooting problem a mental health problem, rather than a spiritual issue is also a huge.

Cruz fits a profile. White guy with powerful weapon. Deplorable is really a superficial observation just white guy. Look deeper...

Dad dies, Mom not there, dude says demons prompt him... And because everybody "wants to have a gun" he can get one real easy down in Florida.

Just to conclude I don't like that term deplorable and I don't like libtard.

America is a house divided. People look at Trump but they don't look for God. People look at Obama but they don't look for God.





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The thing was though was that conservative groups like 4Chan trolled the national media and generated fake content to back up the claim that Cruz was a white supremacist. This was done in effort to make national media sources seem less credible. But now it turns out that the shooter is a white supremacist after all which is kind of funny until you remember that a bunch of people lost their lives.


Before they released pictures of the victims, i wondered WHO he chose to shoot. Having seen the faces of the fallen 17, I doubt supremacist. He shot up everything and anyone.

HERE IS MY GUESS/DIAGNOSIS of Luka Cruz:

Dysphoric Mania with a lot of other stressors

https://www.bphope.com/blog/welcome-to-my-dysphoric-manic-world/

--TRAUMATIC LIFE EVENTS with internalized anger (Death of parent/absent parent birthed seething anger at God/mankind)
--I would be willing to wager he played VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES (Graphic violent imagery birthed ideation and desensitized)
--Reality system impaired by what seems to me to be DYSPHORIC MANIA (see link above)
--EVIL vengeful by nature personality (Lacking values and also lack of love/nurturing/discipline)
--NUMBER ONE ROOT for bizarre stuff is GENERALLY psychotropic medications. They can make people trip out in violent ways. (A bipolar person misdiagnosed and prescribed Zoloft could hit the roof going off)

In short, I don't think he was with the program at all. He was NOT a white supremacist IMO. Too "cray cray". LONER who was trying to fit in. They both envision violent confrontations. Both gun nut groups. Cruz hated ANYTHING that breathed that crossed his path while his demons ruled.


ALL OF THIS ABOVE IS CLINICAL STUFF THAT I DEDUCE. I have hella knowledge as a mental health consumer. A Wellness Recovery Action Plan Facilitator (Copeland Center) ... and a guy that knows a thing or two about bipolar disorder. :nod:

THE REAL PROBLEM IS SPIRITUAL...even if a lot of that stuff above needs medical intervention.

Above all else, the LOVE of GOD and the FEAR of God... COMBINED WITH A NURTURING CHURCH HOME AND CHURCH FAMILY could have at least poured into that depraved young man's SOUL.

GOD'S LOVE IS THE CURE FOR WHAT ILLS.... and, sadly what kills. The thief comes to kill, steal, and destroy. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+10%3A10

The killer really was listening to demons. The killings could have been PERHAPS preempted by DIVINE INTERVENTION...

plus a stay on the psyche ward when Cruz was episodic. HE IS A SICK, MEAN-SPIRITED INDIVIDUAL... but I see a hurting child. AN ADOLESCENT with a hurting soul. He shot up freshman. Something BAD HAPPENED TO HIM AT THAT AGE. He associated and PROJECTED ON THE SCHOOL AS HAVING VIOLATED HIM.

I offer ALL THE ABOVE TO HELP. Maybe, just maybe my INSIGHT can help others.

1(800)273-8255 is a crisis line for Veterans and ANYONE CONSIDERING SUICIDE


If you're having weird/depressed/hopeless/raging ... thoughts: CRY OUT TO JESUS and say, "LORD please help me... I BELIEVE creator of all things in the universe that YOU CAN IF IT BE YOUR WILL.... GOD ALWAYS PROVIDES A MEANS OF ESCAPE FROM TEMPTATION

Proverbs 18:21 CHOOSE LIFE ... your words can claim VICTORY in advance...

"This, too, shall pass" ... whatever it is... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_too_shall_pass
if you have a TEMPER or PROBLEMS WITH ANGER... Remember: do not let the sun go down on your wrath... http://biblehub.com/ephesians/4-26.htm

If you feel ashamed, unloved, unworthy .... YOU ARE GOD'S (beautiful, wonderfully unique, LOVED) CHILD
just ASK HIM TO SHOW YOU... and EXPECTANTLY WAIT..... never fails, GOD IS GOOD ALL THE TIME...

LAST: Feelings are just feelings. They change all the time. Life is WORTH LIVING TO THE FULLEST. choose life.


if this does not make the hall of fame then your hall of fame sux!!
like i said, its a full rebuild.

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