Knicks | Sixers PG: Trust The Process Edition (Scott Perry Take Notes)

[thebuzzardman]

Everyone stop sucking Phillys cock over the **** draft. If you draft in the top 10 like 6 **** times since 2010 after tanking for 8 years and find 2 good players big **** deal. They incinerated the Okafor pick, the Fultz pick and Evan Turner at #2.

The process started in 2013-14 season.

They came away with two guys who look to be perennial all stars, two very good role players and have the ability to sign a max guy this summer.

They also have the SAC pick next year.

They currently have home court advantage in the first round.

They deserve the bj

I get a little annoyed at the nut slobbering with Philly. But they rebuilt right. And for all the "Tanking doesn't work, there are other ways", sure, there is. But in the NBA it's dumb not to maximize value of #1 picks and the way to do that is to ensure they are as high as possible. Yes, they blew some picks. Yes, you have to draft right with the picks or it doesn't matter. Here's where Philly was smart. They didn't give a sh*t about guys they drafted who weren't that good, and dealt them for MORE PICKS. They were smart enough to stay bad and flip "ok picks" for more picks.

And low and behold, the rebuild still took them about 5 years. That's the NBA. Teams almost never rebuild in less than 5 years. I'm sure a few people will rush in with the handful of examples where a team didn't. I'm sure they exist. Most teams take 5 years to rebuild and contend. Or, if you're the Knicks, 15 years and aren't there yet.

You know how something was a good idea? When everyone copies it.
Take note of the last two NBA seasons. There is your answer on if tanking is good or not. In the CURRENT NBA scheme, tanking is a VERY GOOD IDEA. I honestly hope they fix it. It's sort of disgusting. But can't blame teams for gaming a broken system.

*edit* They also managed their cap and didn't spend jack sh*t on middling vets. You know, like Mills opening his wallet wide open for a mediocre starting SG like THJr.

[PeoplesChamp]

How much money has rambis stolen from the knicks

So far 29.56% of what Herb Williams stole.

I was going to say Rambis is like Herb Williams 2.0

Herb at least was a Knick. He was on both Finals teams in the 90s.

Rambis came in the door with Phil & Fisher. They're both gone. He has nothing to do with anything.

[Meat]

Everyone stop sucking Phillys cock over the **** draft. If you draft in the top 10 like 6 **** times since 2010 after tanking for 8 years and find 2 good players big **** deal. They incinerated the Okafor pick, the Fultz pick and Evan Turner at #2.

hhahah, idiot

[Kinglee]

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We've seen many players miss games, we've seen completely different rotations as well. It's not a black and white thing. With KP, we've loss to the Hawks and Bulls multiple times. Lets not overrate the impact he had when we were out of the playoffs IN THE EAST, with him.

[Fury]

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We've seen many players miss games, we've seen completely different rotations as well. It's not a black and white thing. With KP, we've loss to the Hawks and Bulls multiple times. Lets not overrate the impact he had when we were out of the playoffs IN THE EAST, with him.

Blah blah blah blah you’re full of ****

[Dantares]

Hope Miles Bridges is good

The last 5 lottery picks Perry was involved with

Oladipo
Aaron Gordon
Elfrid Payton
Mario Hezonja
De'aaron Fox

All strong athletic kids. But these kids had good size. Perry would have to believe Miles can really be a 3 in the NBA. I'm not sure his handles are up to par. god I wish he was just 2 inches taller so he could be our future PF.

For as well as he is playing this season it still doesn't change the fact that Oladipo is an undersized 2 which negates the whole point you are trying to make (that Perry doesn't draft players who are undersized relative to their projected position).

Wait I thought they drafted oladipo to be a point guard and it didnt work out so they moved him to the 2 spot and drafted payton.

[Kinglee]

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We've seen many players miss games, we've seen completely different rotations as well. It's not a black and white thing. With KP, we've loss to the Hawks and Bulls multiple times. Lets not overrate the impact he had when we were out of the playoffs IN THE EAST, with him.

Blah blah blah blah you’re full of ****

A team losing often will lose more games without their best player. Ok? Duh

[GONYK]

The last 5 lottery picks Perry was involved with

Oladipo
Aaron Gordon
Elfrid Payton
Mario Hezonja
De'aaron Fox

All strong athletic kids. But these kids had good size. Perry would have to believe Miles can really be a 3 in the NBA. I'm not sure his handles are up to par. god I wish he was just 2 inches taller so he could be our future PF.

For as well as he is playing this season it still doesn't change the fact that Oladipo is an undersized 2 which negates the whole point you are trying to make (that Perry doesn't draft players who are undersized relative to their projected position).

Wait I thought they drafted oladipo to be a point guard and it didnt work out so they moved him to the 2 spot and drafted payton.

That is correct

[j4remi]

I'm pretty disturbed at how passive and forgettable THJ looks with his massive contract and getting outshined by guys on cheap contracts like Beasley and Burke on some nights. I was hoping he'd be a 20 ppg guy with KP out but he's streaky as ever and some games just looks mentally checked out to me.

He’s being asked to do too much.
He’s not in his proper role.
We’re leaning on him too much.

He's paid too much not to be able to step up when the time calls for it. If his proper role is sixth man (which I more and more think it is), then we overpaid and are probably stuck.

[Polk377]

The season's almost over, and players didn't know their assignments. Helping 1 pass away, leaving shooters like Reddick wide open. What the hell does the coaching staff do? The team has lacked an identity for years.

Decades.
It’s really beyond me why we have never had a true identity.

It is kind of hard to establish when you have a revolving door of players, coaches and front office personnel. It looked like we might have been close under Mike Woodson then Phil came along.

[Meat]

The season's almost over, and players didn't know their assignments. Helping 1 pass away, leaving shooters like Reddick wide open. What the hell does the coaching staff do? The team has lacked an identity for years.

Decades.
It’s really beyond me why we have never had a true identity.

It is kind of hard to establish when you have a revolving door of players, coaches and front office personnel. It looked like we might have been close under Mike Woodson then Phil came along.

thank god, Woodson's identity is just "iso"

[dakomish23]

I'm pretty disturbed at how passive and forgettable THJ looks with his massive contract and getting outshined by guys on cheap contracts like Beasley and Burke on some nights. I was hoping he'd be a 20 ppg guy with KP out but he's streaky as ever and some games just looks mentally checked out to me.

He’s being asked to do too much.
He’s not in his proper role.
We’re leaning on him too much.

He's paid too much not to be able to step up when the time calls for it. If his proper role is sixth man (which I more and more think it is), then we overpaid and are probably stuck.

Unless we use assets to move him or take a contract just as bad, back.

We already had a terrible contract on the books and then they added THJ. Please don’t compound the issue and give Kanter a big long term deal

[knickstape21]

Everyone stop sucking Phillys cock over the **** draft. If you draft in the top 10 like 6 **** times since 2010 after tanking for 8 years and find 2 good players big **** deal. They incinerated the Okafor pick, the Fultz pick and Evan Turner at #2.

The process started in 2013-14 season.

They came away with two guys who look to be perennial all stars, two very good role players and have the ability to sign a max guy this summer.

They also have the SAC pick next year.

They currently have home court advantage in the first round.

They deserve the bj

Boston has the SAC pick next year.

[Gravy]

I really don't see how it's possible to replicate the Philly tank. You would need to draft a franchise player, then hope he gets injured at the start of the season so you get the number 1 pick again and hope that player is a Ben Simmons franchise talent not a Fultz talent(pending).

The reality is we ARE a tank team this year. We are something ridiculous like 5-22 without KP... how do you put together a worse team than that? That would be bad enough to secure a top 3 position easily. But because KP only went down in the middle of the season we are picking 9th. Yeah KP is that good. A healthy Embiid from day 1 means Philly doesn't get to draft Simmons. They were incredibly lucky more than they were geniuses. I give them credit for being as unashamedly obvious as they were. However those days are over now with the lottery change and half the NBA trying to replicate it.

[Lord Commander]

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[Greenie]

The season's almost over, and players didn't know their assignments. Helping 1 pass away, leaving shooters like Reddick wide open. What the hell does the coaching staff do? The team has lacked an identity for years.

Decades.
It’s really beyond me why we have never had a true identity.

Forgetting the elite ****, if we draft Mikal Bridges, fair to say we are developing an identity with Frank, Bridges, KP of wingspan dominance and 3 point shooting? Doesn’t guarantee anything but it’s a step. Then with Burke and stupid Hardaway we have some scoring and just need that 2019 pick to be a beast

Wingspan?
What’s up with you guys and this?

[shtolky]

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We've seen many players miss games, we've seen completely different rotations as well. It's not a black and white thing. With KP, we've loss to the Hawks and Bulls multiple times. Lets not overrate the impact he had when we were out of the playoffs IN THE EAST, with him.

Eh...you can't really talk yourself out of this one. I get it's not completely 100% black and white, but it's pretty damn close. Just because we lost to the Hawks and Bulls with KP doesn't really mean much. Without him we probably lose those games by a lot more (those losses were all close). With KP we beat Cleveland, Denver, Indy, Utah twice, Clippers, Raptors, Pelicans, etc. The eye test alone shows you the type of impact he had.

With him they were barely out of the playoffs in the east. Since he went down they have the third worst record in the league behind Memphis and Phoenix. Our vets have been pretty healthy. We've had no significant injuries to anyone since he went down. I think that's pretty cut and dry and it's hard to argue with those numbers. You're ignoring the fact that even though we were crappy before he went down we are way more crappy without him.

[dakomish23]

Everyone stop sucking Phillys cock over the **** draft. If you draft in the top 10 like 6 **** times since 2010 after tanking for 8 years and find 2 good players big **** deal. They incinerated the Okafor pick, the Fultz pick and Evan Turner at #2.

The process started in 2013-14 season.

They came away with two guys who look to be perennial all stars, two very good role players and have the ability to sign a max guy this summer.

They also have the SAC pick next year.

They currently have home court advantage in the first round.

They deserve the bj

Boston has the SAC pick next year.

I meant if LAL conveys. Should of said either you’re right

[Greenie]

I'm pretty disturbed at how passive and forgettable THJ looks with his massive contract and getting outshined by guys on cheap contracts like Beasley and Burke on some nights. I was hoping he'd be a 20 ppg guy with KP out but he's streaky as ever and some games just looks mentally checked out to me.

He’s being asked to do too much.
He’s not in his proper role.
We’re leaning on him too much.

He's paid too much not to be able to step up when the time calls for it. If his proper role is sixth man (which I more and more think it is), then we overpaid and are probably stuck.

That’s why I flipped on signing once we traded Melo.

All we did was move Timmy into a role he’s not well suited for.

It’s Crawford all over again.

[shtolky]

The Sixers were both very fortunate with their tank and very smart. They made some brilliant trades (the Kings trade), some great picks and some bad picks. If Embiid doesn't get hurt then they probably don't have Simmons. And for every Sixers situation you have teams like Orlando, Phoenix, and Sac who draft in the top 8 seemingly every year with very little to show for it.