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Dat2U wrote:nate33 wrote: I'm not going to sit here and proclaim that I'm a superior talent evaluater than Ernie Grunfeld.
Fine, because I will.I know I'm clearly better at evaulating NBA talent from a distance than he does up close. And it's not even close.
I_Like_Dirt wrote:Take a look at the players drafted ahead of Anderson. Even if Anderson had gone to the Wizards, he still would be better than a lot of those guys.
That said, Anderson is a bit of an odd comparison for me as he's really unique with such an odd and extreme combination of strengths and weaknesses. I expect people are going to start changing their tune when Brown starts playing, which given Ernie and Brooks is probably a season from now. People hated Oubre, too, and he wasn't the best player taken, but he's been pretty good, though not amazing. I think Brown is better than Oubre.
dckingsfan wrote:The question to me on Oubre is - is he the 15th best player drafted from that draft. And remember that we didn't draft Portis. So, we gave up a second round pick - at that led to the EG taking one of Smith, Nicholson or Mahimni.
I_Like_Dirt wrote:dckingsfan wrote:The question to me on Oubre is - is he the 15th best player drafted from that draft. And remember that we didn't draft Portis. So, we gave up a second round pick - at that led to the EG taking one of Smith, Nicholson or Mahimni.
I don't think Portis is all that good, really. He's okay, and definitely belongs in the NBA, but if I had to choose between him and Oubre right now? Meh, it depends.
I mean, people right now are criticizing Ernie for not being proactive and either trading up or trading down. He did that with Oubre and got the guy he wanted. Was it worth it? I don't really think so. I actually think Delon Wright would have been a great pick up that year rather than Portis. EG is a trainwreck in free agency no matter what. It doesn't matter who's on the team, he's going to do something ridiculous.
Oubre as the pick? I don't see how that was really a problem. I also don't see how Brown is a problem as a pick here. The problem is pretty much everything else, and that isn't going to be solved by any individual draft pick.
nate33 wrote:I_Like_Dirt wrote:dckingsfan wrote:The question to me on Oubre is - is he the 15th best player drafted from that draft. And remember that we didn't draft Portis. So, we gave up a second round pick - at that led to the EG taking one of Smith, Nicholson or Mahimni.
I don't think Portis is all that good, really. He's okay, and definitely belongs in the NBA, but if I had to choose between him and Oubre right now? Meh, it depends.
I mean, people right now are criticizing Ernie for not being proactive and either trading up or trading down. He did that with Oubre and got the guy he wanted. Was it worth it? I don't really think so. I actually think Delon Wright would have been a great pick up that year rather than Portis. EG is a trainwreck in free agency no matter what. It doesn't matter who's on the team, he's going to do something ridiculous.
Oubre as the pick? I don't see how that was really a problem. I also don't see how Brown is a problem as a pick here. The problem is pretty much everything else, and that isn't going to be solved by any individual draft pick.
I'd take Oubre over Porter. Porter had an immediate impact as a serviceable player right away, but his ceiling is limited because he plays lousy defense and can't switch. Oubre was a bit more of a project and has only just now caught Porter, but I think Oubre will be a much more useful player going forward.
DCZards wrote:gtn130 wrote:Pretty much agree with this. T not because of Brown specifically, but because of the perceived value of Brown relative to the slot he was picked. The Wizards should have traded back or simply picked Zhaire.
"Egregiously bad?" Isn't that a bit of an overstatement? You don't draft players based on their "perceived value." If that were the case Robert Williams would never have fallen to #27.
I have no idea whether Brown or Smith will turn out to be better NBA player. And we don't know whether or not Brown would have gone with the 16th pick if the Zards had taken Smith with 15. Based on what I've seen and read Smith and Brown are fairly comparable. I think a case can be made for and against both of them. This stuff about Smith being demonstrably better than Brown is nonsense.
80sballboy wrote:nate33 wrote:I_Like_Dirt wrote:
I don't think Portis is all that good, really. He's okay, and definitely belongs in the NBA, but if I had to choose between him and Oubre right now? Meh, it depends.
I mean, people right now are criticizing Ernie for not being proactive and either trading up or trading down. He did that with Oubre and got the guy he wanted. Was it worth it? I don't really think so. I actually think Delon Wright would have been a great pick up that year rather than Portis. EG is a trainwreck in free agency no matter what. It doesn't matter who's on the team, he's going to do something ridiculous.
Oubre as the pick? I don't see how that was really a problem. I also don't see how Brown is a problem as a pick here. The problem is pretty much everything else, and that isn't going to be solved by any individual draft pick.
I'd take Oubre over Porter. Porter had an immediate impact as a serviceable player right away, but his ceiling is limited because he plays lousy defense and can't switch. Oubre was a bit more of a project and has only just now caught Porter, but I think Oubre will be a much more useful player going forward.
Now I'm confused. Portis or Porter? Otto or MPJ? Oubre over Portis is fine. I was for drafting Portis at the time because once again, we're lacking bigs (even 3 years later). Oubre must get it one day but it will probably be with another team. One thing you have to give the kid credit for is that he does work hard in the offseason and wants to be great. Would love to see him get yoked (look at Myles Turner) and put on 15-20 pounds so he can play some 4.
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DCZards wrote:Dat2U wrote:nate33 wrote: I'm not going to sit here and proclaim that I'm a superior talent evaluater than Ernie Grunfeld.
Fine, because I will.
...says the guy who would have drafted Kidd-Gilchrist over Beal.
Sorry, Dat, couldn't pass that one up.
NatP4 wrote:Brown is almost two full years younger than Robert Williams.
J-Ves wrote:Were there any fans of Brown on this board before the draft? I don’t mean as the 15th pick, but just generally a fan.
Ruzious wrote:NatP4 wrote:Brown is almost two full years younger than Robert Williams.
Brown might be a fairly good player when his rookie contract runs out. Is there any reason to believe he'll be useful as a rookie? And what's the upside on him? I've heard EG and Brooks talk about him this morning, and with both - the first thing they said was his length - ignoring the fact that his wingspan is nowhere near Oubre's. He's not regarded as any kind of outstanding athlete. He's a lousy shooter at this point. He plays timidly. What's the upside - that he was a point guard in HS? He didn't even make his conference all-freshman team. What is there that makes him a compelling prospect at 15? I can pretty much guarantee that the 16th and 17th picks - ZSmith and DDV - will contribute as rookies - and should have very productive careers. I can't say either of those things about Brown. I'm picturing DDV raining 3's against the Wiz, and I'm picturing Brown sitting on the bench against Milwaukee - not because I want it but because it's what I expect.
Kanyewest wrote:Ruzious wrote:NatP4 wrote:Brown is almost two full years younger than Robert Williams.
Brown might be a fairly good player when his rookie contract runs out. Is there any reason to believe he'll be useful as a rookie? And what's the upside on him? I've heard EG and Brooks talk about him this morning, and with both - the first thing they said was his length - ignoring the fact that his wingspan is nowhere near Oubre's. He's not regarded as any kind of outstanding athlete. He's a lousy shooter at this point. He plays timidly. What's the upside - that he was a point guard in HS? He didn't even make his conference all-freshman team. What is there that makes him a compelling prospect at 15? I can pretty much guarantee that the 16th and 17th picks - ZSmith and DDV - will contribute as rookies - and should have very productive careers. I can't say either of those things about Brown. I'm picturing DDV raining 3's against the Wiz, and I'm picturing Brown sitting on the bench against Milwaukee - not because I want it but because it's what I expect.
Yeah, I would have gone with Donte over Brown. Although perhaps Brown was a better player than Donte in his true freshman season. But it looks like Donte has a developed 3 point shot and seems like other than length, Donte is everything that you would hope Brown would develop into.
Everywhere that I've seen is that Smith was preferred prospect over Brown. Although I can't say I'm in love with Smith based on his showing in the tournament against Villanova- then again VIllanova made a lot of players look silly including Colin Sexton.
NatP4 wrote:Divincenzo is the guy we wanted over Brown??? I love him, but he’s 3 years older than Brown, nowhere near the upside.
People really aren’t grasping the positionless basketball thing. Trevor Ariza and PJ tucker were playing PF and center for the rockets in the WCF. You need a lot of wings, you need guys that can decently guard 1-5.
Divincenzo will never guard anything but guards, he has a 6’7 wingspan, very limited. He’s a dog forsure.
I just can’t see how anyone could be upset about picking a wing player, maybe you wanted smith instead, fine, but it was a glaring need.
