Celtics Schedule Thread (UPDATE: Schedule Out!!!!!)

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Stinks that they celebrate Christmas in Canada on a different day, would have been fun to see the Raptors play

Wait, in Canada Jesus Christ is not allegedly born on the 25th on December?

No. Christmas is delayed by a day because Santa has to go through customs when he crosses the border

So they celebrate on Boxing Day?

[Afam]

Got it from The Crossover on Twitter. That arm reach is unreal.

[Parliament10]

It is absolutely ridiculous that there are only four preseason games.

If the coaches had their way there would be 0-2 games. Most find them to be a useless waste of time.

I think it sets a bad precedence.
I'd actually like to see more preseason games; like 12.

All the other 3 major sports have a much higher percentage of preseason games.

[Smitty731]

It is absolutely ridiculous that there are only four preseason games.

If the coaches had their way there would be 0-2 games. Most find them to be a useless waste of time.

I think it sets a bad precedence.
I'd actually like to see more preseason games; like 12.

All the other 3 major sports have a much higher percentage of preseason games.

Oh god no. That would be awful. You'd be charging people to watch what is essentially half a G-League team play for most of those games.

Practice time is precious in the NBA. Teams get about 2-4 practices in a month once the season starts. Coaches, and players after the conditioning part of camp is done, would rather be in the gym installing parts of the system vs playing meaningless games.

NFL coaches need the games to build out the last 10-15 spots of their roster. MLB has said if it wasn't for building up the pitcher's arms, they'd only need about 15 games to get everyone in rhythm. I have no idea what the deal is with the NHL, because I don't follow the sport.

Preseason isn't about getting in shape anymore. These guys come in almost 100% ready. Injured guys are generally wrapping up rehab. The first few days are somewhat about conditioning. After that, it's all system stuff. Games? Just a minor necessity to go against a different set of faces and give the fans and TV networks something.

[Parliament10]

If the coaches had their way there would be 0-2 games. Most find them to be a useless waste of time.

I think it sets a bad precedence.
I'd actually like to see more preseason games; like 12.

All the other 3 major sports have a much higher percentage of preseason games.

Oh god no. That would be awful. You'd be charging people to watch what is essentially half a G-League team play for most of those games.

Practice time is precious in the NBA. Teams get about 2-4 practices in a month once the season starts. Coaches, and players after the conditioning part of camp is done, would rather be in the gym installing parts of the system vs playing meaningless games.

NFL coaches need the games to build out the last 10-15 spots of their roster. MLB has said if it wasn't for building up the pitcher's arms, they'd only need about 15 games to get everyone in rhythm. I have no idea what the deal is with the NHL, because I don't follow the sport.

Preseason isn't about getting in shape anymore. These guys come in almost 100% ready. Injured guys are generally wrapping up rehab. The first few days are somewhat about conditioning. After that, it's all system stuff. Games? Just a minor necessity to go against a different set of faces and give the fans and TV networks something.

Yeah. I've heard those arguments, over the years.
I disagree with them.

I maintain that there should be more Preseason games.
Especially, as we are trying to improve the G-League.

I think that a majority of the Injuries in these past few years.
Are as a result of decreased preseason and practice time.

[Parliament10]

[threrf23]

Preseason isn't about getting in shape anymore. These guys come in almost 100% ready. Injured guys are generally wrapping up rehab.

You bring up some valid points and I don't doubt that you have a good pulse on sentiment. But the quoted excerpt in particular just doesn't pass the sniff test for me. The last two times we had a shortened preseason, were 2011 following the lockout and last season. Last season, we saw more injuries than we had seen since 2011-12, and like 2012 players seemed especially drained in the postseason. In 2011 the extended offseason was a factor, and last season could have been a fluke.

Personally, I feel like the preseason gives third stringers some time to mingle with NBA players, it gives coaches the ability to experiment with lineups, it gives starters the ability to ease into the swing of things (and to establish better chemistry before games count for something), and it gives fans more games to watch. The games only last 2-3 hours and can be used to help reinforce what is taught in practice, so I also don't buy that it is an impediment to team building. I don't see any downside.

[3D Chess]

Cancel that NBA league Pass, boys. It is worthless this year, as they don't carry nationally televised games.

Still gonna need that LP... but they should totally drop the price seeing as how many C's games won't be on there!

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Cancel that NBA league Pass, boys. It is worthless this year, as they don't carry nationally televised games.

Still gonna need that LP... but they should totally drop the price seeing as how many C's games won't be on there!

I'm not messing with LP this year. Saving myself $150 and just streaming everything.

[itrsteve]

Cancel that NBA league Pass, boys. It is worthless this year, as they don't carry nationally televised games.

Still gonna need that LP... but they should totally drop the price seeing as how many C's games won't be on there!

Yeah, LP is a tough value prop now... Much easier when there were only 2 televised games. Last year I switched from Celtics-only to the entire league, made it nice to watch a lot of games from entertaining teams that don't/didn't get a lot of coverage (Denver, Utah, Indiana, etc)

[2Mas]

Cancel that NBA league Pass, boys. It is worthless this year, as they don't carry nationally televised games.

Still gonna need that LP... but they should totally drop the price seeing as how many C's games won't be on there!

I'm not messing with LP this year. Saving myself $150 and just streaming everything.

What site are you gonna use to stream?

I'm debating it. I wanna buy it. But Really don't wanna spend $200 when I can watch 44 games from the national/NY market.

I prob watch around 65 games a year. 44 of them on national. Is that $200 worth it for 18-20 games vs the Atl's, Orl's, Det's of the world?

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Still gonna need that LP... but they should totally drop the price seeing as how many C's games won't be on there!

I'm not messing with LP this year. Saving myself $150 and just streaming everything.

What site are you gonna use to stream?

I'm debating it. I wanna buy it. But Really don't wanna spend $200 when I can watch 44 games from the national/NY market.

I prob watch around 65 games a year. 44 of them on national. Is that $200 worth it for 18-20 games vs the Atl's, Orl's, Det's of the world?

I just go to reddit.com/r/nbastreams. Easier to deal with on a laptop vs mobile. Just install an adblocker and you're good to go. There's another thread in here that discusses where to go. Can't remember who it was, but there was definitely a suggestion about a site that was better than the streams reddit offered. Going to have to check that out this year.

And yeah, last year, for the NFL, I didn't buy Sunday Ticket and just relied on streams. Worked like a charm.

I refuse to pay for NBA LP this year due to the terrible service I'd get on my PS4. It was always laggy. Even when I upgraded my internet to a 150 mb/s connection, it was still buffering. I'd actually get better service streaming it on my phone, but who the heck wants to watch from a small screen when you're at home?

[2Mas]

I'm not messing with LP this year. Saving myself $150 and just streaming everything.

What site are you gonna use to stream?

I'm debating it. I wanna buy it. But Really don't wanna spend $200 when I can watch 44 games from the national/NY market.

I prob watch around 65 games a year. 44 of them on national. Is that $200 worth it for 18-20 games vs the Atl's, Orl's, Det's of the world?

I just go to reddit.com/r/nbastreams. Easier to deal with on a laptop vs mobile. Just install an adblocker and you're good to go. There's another thread in here that discusses where to go. Can't remember who it was, but there was definitely a suggestion about a site that was better than the streams reddit offered. Going to have to check that out this year.

And yeah, last year, for the NFL, I didn't buy Sunday Ticket and just relied on streams. Worked like a charm.

I refuse to pay for NBA LP this year due to the terrible service I'd get on my PS4. It was always laggy. Even when I upgraded my internet to a 150 mb/s connection, it was still buffering. I'd actually get better service streaming it on my phone, but who the heck wants to watch from a small screen when you're at home?

Good info. TY my guy.

[Smitty731]

Preseason isn't about getting in shape anymore. These guys come in almost 100% ready. Injured guys are generally wrapping up rehab.

You bring up some valid points and I don't doubt that you have a good pulse on sentiment. But the quoted excerpt in particular just doesn't pass the sniff test for me. The last two times we had a shortened preseason, were 2011 following the lockout and last season. Last season, we saw more injuries than we had seen since 2011-12, and like 2012 players seemed especially drained in the postseason. In 2011 the extended offseason was a factor, and last season could have been a fluke.

Personally, I feel like the preseason gives third stringers some time to mingle with NBA players, it gives coaches the ability to experiment with lineups, it gives starters the ability to ease into the swing of things (and to establish better chemistry before games count for something), and it gives fans more games to watch. The games only last 2-3 hours and can be used to help reinforce what is taught in practice, so I also don't buy that it is an impediment to team building. I don't see any downside.

After the lockout everyone (The NBA, the NBPA, the players, coaches, everyone!) was so excited to get off and running that they rushed things. Players also let themselves get way out of shape, because they had no idea when they would get started. If they had it to do all over again, everyone says there is no way they would have done as long a season as they did.

It's not that the preseason itself would be any shorter. It's the same length as always. It's just fewer games mixed in. For example, the Celtics will start the same time as they have the last handful of years (late September, probably around 9/24 or so). But instead of playing 6-8 games, they'll play just 4. And remember, each game means two lost days of practice. You don't practice on gameday (shootaround doesn't count) and you don't practice the day after. So, Boston will lose 8 total days out of the 3-4 weeks lead-up to Opening Night vs 12-16 days.

One thing I don't think people realize is how little time off players take after the season ends. Most guys will take about a week to just sort of recover. After that, they are back in the gym almost daily. Everyone plays in some form of offseason league (The Drew League being the most famous) or in a regular pickup run (which are generally more intense than leagues like The Drew). This is why there is little to no concern about players playing in international competitions (Olympics, World Cup, EuroBasket, etc.) because they are playing somewhere anyway.

I'm generally fine with cutting down, because when it was 8 games, half of them were essentially worthless. And I hate the idea of asking people to pay to come see guys who have no chance of actually making the roster. With just 4-5 games, those guys barely see the floor. It's actually a better product to watch.

[ConstableGeneva]

I personally prefer less preseason games. It means more time for the team to practice/jell/bond. It's up to the players/staff to come into camp in shape and follow a routine/schedule for their individual workouts/conditioning.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I'm generally fine with cutting down, because when it was 8 games, half of them were essentially worthless. And I hate the idea of asking people to pay to come see guys who have no chance of actually making the roster.

This is true. Preseason games should really be free if they're being played in the city of an NBA team, IMO. I am part of a group that has season tickets for my hometown Winnipeg Jets, and it friggin sucks that we have to pay full price for such a meaningless game. Always gets annoying when we are drafting games for the year and all that's left are preseason games. Can't even sell those tickets because everyone knows that it's a glorified scrimmage between minor league players.

[threrf23]

One thing I don't think people realize is how little time off players take after the season ends. Most guys will take about a week to just sort of recover. After that, they are back in the gym almost daily. Everyone plays in some form of offseason league (The Drew League being the most famous) or in a regular pickup run (which are generally more intense than leagues like The Drew). This is why there is little to no concern about players playing in international competitions (Olympics, World Cup, EuroBasket, etc.) because they are playing somewhere anyway.

But perhaps this could be a problem? If their grind is truly sufficient to prepare for the stress of the NBA season, does it become the equivalent of playing a 150 game season? And if their grind is not as much of a grind, does it give a false sense of security? The NBA doesn't want coaches resting players during the season, so the answer is to prevent them from resting during the offseason?

I'm not claiming to know the science or reasoning behind routines and their impact and probably make myself look bad by speculating. But, the notion that the preseason isn't necessary or should not serve a conditioning related purpose IMO is, at least, not supported by evidence.

I'm generally fine with cutting down, because when it was 8 games, half of them were essentially worthless. And I hate the idea of asking people to pay to come see guys who have no chance of actually making the roster. With just 4-5 games, those guys barely see the floor. It's actually a better product to watch.

Well, you don't ask people to pay, you let them, because they want to. Personally, I'm watching the preseason with the hopes of seeing the guys who aren't going to play much come the start of the season; I could care less whether the team wins a "meaningless" game.

It's not that the preseason itself would be any shorter. It's the same length as always. It's just fewer games mixed in. For example, the Celtics will start the same time as they have the last handful of years (late September, probably around 9/24 or so). But instead of playing 6-8 games, they'll play just 4.

And, like last season, they'll start the regular season in mid-October, rather than the beginning of November....

[Smitty731]

One thing I don't think people realize is how little time off players take after the season ends. Most guys will take about a week to just sort of recover. After that, they are back in the gym almost daily. Everyone plays in some form of offseason league (The Drew League being the most famous) or in a regular pickup run (which are generally more intense than leagues like The Drew). This is why there is little to no concern about players playing in international competitions (Olympics, World Cup, EuroBasket, etc.) because they are playing somewhere anyway.

But perhaps this could be a problem? If their grind is truly sufficient to prepare for the stress of the NBA season, does it become the equivalent of playing a 150 game season? And if their grind is not as much of a grind, does it give a false sense of security? The NBA doesn't want coaches resting players during the season, so the answer is to prevent them from resting during the offseason?

I'm not claiming to know the science or reasoning behind routines and their impact and probably make myself look bad by speculating. But, the notion that the preseason isn't necessary or should not serve a conditioning related purpose IMO is, at least, not supported by evidence.

I'm generally fine with cutting down, because when it was 8 games, half of them were essentially worthless. And I hate the idea of asking people to pay to come see guys who have no chance of actually making the roster. With just 4-5 games, those guys barely see the floor. It's actually a better product to watch.

Well, you don't ask people to pay, you let them, because they want to. Personally, I'm watching the preseason with the hopes of seeing the guys who aren't going to play much come the start of the season; I could care less whether the team wins a "meaningless" game.

It's not that the preseason itself would be any shorter. It's the same length as always. It's just fewer games mixed in. For example, the Celtics will start the same time as they have the last handful of years (late September, probably around 9/24 or so). But instead of playing 6-8 games, they'll play just 4.

And, like last season, they'll start the regular season in mid-October, rather than the beginning of November....

I can't argue with any of the opinion related stuff, because we're all entitled to our own. But the last part has nothing to do with the preseason being shorter. They started the season in mid-October last year because they added a week to the schedule window to decrease the number of back-to-backs and three-in-four and four-in-five. The league could have condensed the preseason with more games in less days, or started camp and preseason earlier. All parties agreed that 4-5 preseason games are enough. And FWIW, the NBA season hasn't started in November in a non-lockout year in a while now. It's been starting in late October for several years. Only last year and this did it push up to mid-October, for the reasons stated above.

[Parliament10]

One thing I don't think people realize is how little time off players take after the season ends. Most guys will take about a week to just sort of recover. After that, they are back in the gym almost daily. Everyone plays in some form of offseason league (The Drew League being the most famous) or in a regular pickup run (which are generally more intense than leagues like The Drew). This is why there is little to no concern about players playing in international competitions (Olympics, World Cup, EuroBasket, etc.) because they are playing somewhere anyway.

But perhaps this could be a problem? If their grind is truly sufficient to prepare for the stress of the NBA season, does it become the equivalent of playing a 150 game season? And if their grind is not as much of a grind, does it give a false sense of security? The NBA doesn't want coaches resting players during the season, so the answer is to prevent them from resting during the offseason?

I'm not claiming to know the science or reasoning behind routines and their impact and probably make myself look bad by speculating. But, the notion that the preseason isn't necessary or should not serve a conditioning related purpose IMO is, at least, not supported by evidence.

I'm generally fine with cutting down, because when it was 8 games, half of them were essentially worthless. And I hate the idea of asking people to pay to come see guys who have no chance of actually making the roster. With just 4-5 games, those guys barely see the floor. It's actually a better product to watch.

Well, you don't ask people to pay, you let them, because they want to. Personally, I'm watching the preseason with the hopes of seeing the guys who aren't going to play much come the start of the season; I could care less whether the team wins a "meaningless" game.

It's not that the preseason itself would be any shorter. It's the same length as always. It's just fewer games mixed in. For example, the Celtics will start the same time as they have the last handful of years (late September, probably around 9/24 or so). But instead of playing 6-8 games, they'll play just 4.

And, like last season, they'll start the regular season in mid-October, rather than the beginning of November....

I can't argue with any of the opinion related stuff, because we're all entitled to our own. But the last part has nothing to do with the preseason being shorter. They started the season in mid-October last year because they added a week to the schedule window to decrease the number of back-to-backs and three-in-four and four-in-five. The league could have condensed the preseason with more games in less days, or started camp and preseason earlier. All parties agreed that 4-5 preseason games are enough. And FWIW, the NBA season hasn't started in November in a non-lockout year in a while now. It's been starting in late October for several years. Only last year and this did it push up to mid-October, for the reasons stated above.

I understand that we all have different opinions and viewpoints.

I'm an advocate of more preseason games, and a longer regular season. Always have been.
I think it's all too condensed.

I'm also a pretty big advocate of the G-League. Have been for quite a while.
I'd like to see more development, and more intertwinement with the Regular NBA Players.

I'd like to see the Regular Season Expanded, to start at the Beginning of October.
And for the Preseason, to be a month long, starting at the beginning of September.

The Regular Season, itself, is what needs to be cut back.
Adam Silver, himself, mentioned this as something to look at.

[colaroaster]

during last years injury-plagued playoff run we saw how imperative home court advantage was, i got a feeling c's chase it and make that a priority to next year's title run. kyrie and trump in the same picture?