The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19

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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#81 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:56 am

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No, you're missing the point. The point is, it was a horrendous no-call, period. It wasn't a turnover because it was a kicked ball. I'm not going to blame a guy for a ref missing a 100% wrong call.


No you are missing the point. There can't be a no-call if he doesn't make a needless reckless decision with no payoff. It's a mistake even if the ultimate turnover was a bad call. His decision was still poor.

Again, the kid is special, but we need to do honest evaluation. He still makes dumb rookie decisions at times.
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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#82 » by TheBonzaiEffect » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:01 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
TheBonzaiEffect wrote:[

No, you're missing the point. The point is, it was a horrendous no-call, period. It wasn't a turnover because it was a kicked ball. I'm not going to blame a guy for a ref missing a 100% wrong call.


No you are missing the point. There can't be a no-call if he doesn't make a needless reckless decision with no payoff. It's a mistake even if the ultimate turnover was a bad call. His decision was still poor.

Again, the kid is special, but we need to do honest evaluation. He still makes dumb rookie decisions at times.


If you want to do an honest evaluation, at least mention in your initial critique that it should have been a kicked ball...
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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#83 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:08 am

TheBonzaiEffect wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
TheBonzaiEffect wrote:[

No, you're missing the point. The point is, it was a horrendous no-call, period. It wasn't a turnover because it was a kicked ball. I'm not going to blame a guy for a ref missing a 100% wrong call.


No you are missing the point. There can't be a no-call if he doesn't make a needless reckless decision with no payoff. It's a mistake even if the ultimate turnover was a bad call. His decision was still poor.

Again, the kid is special, but we need to do honest evaluation. He still makes dumb rookie decisions at times.


If you want to do an honest evaluation, at least mention in your initial critique that it should have been a kicked ball...


I'm trying to not be results oriented but rather judge the decision. Sometimes a bad shot goes in. Sometimes you make a great pass and the guy doesn't catch it. In this case he made a bad decision that led to the kicked ball. The problem is the decision.
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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#84 » by Goudelock » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:09 am

TheBonzaiEffect wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
TheBonzaiEffect wrote:[

No, you're missing the point. The point is, it was a horrendous no-call, period. It wasn't a turnover because it was a kicked ball. I'm not going to blame a guy for a ref missing a 100% wrong call.


No you are missing the point. There can't be a no-call if he doesn't make a needless reckless decision with no payoff. It's a mistake even if the ultimate turnover was a bad call. His decision was still poor.

Again, the kid is special, but we need to do honest evaluation. He still makes dumb rookie decisions at times.


If you want to do an honest evaluation, at least mention in your initial critique that it should have been a kicked ball...


It was a bad call, but it was also a bad decision by Doncic.

Like, if Kobe takes a contested shot over 3 defenders, and he gets fouled but the refs don't make the call, it's still a freaking awful shot/decision by Kobe.

Also damn Luka, hit your FTs. He's already good at getting to the line. He just needs to be more consistent from the line.
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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#85 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:11 am

Perfect Pocky. Exactly what I'm saying.

And yes he needs to take his time and make his FT's. Too good a shooter to be that casual. It's costing the team points.
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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#86 » by TheBonzaiEffect » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:19 am

PockyCandy wrote:
TheBonzaiEffect wrote:
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No you are missing the point. There can't be a no-call if he doesn't make a needless reckless decision with no payoff. It's a mistake even if the ultimate turnover was a bad call. His decision was still poor.

Again, the kid is special, but we need to do honest evaluation. He still makes dumb rookie decisions at times.


If you want to do an honest evaluation, at least mention in your initial critique that it should have been a kicked ball...


It was a bad call, but it was also a bad decision by Doncic.

Like, if Kobe takes a contested shot over 3 defenders, and he gets fouled but the refs don't make the call, it's still a freaking awful shot/decision by Kobe.

Also damn Luka, hit your FTs. He's already good at getting to the line. He just needs to be more consistent from the line.


76% isn't bad for a rookie. I don't think he has the pure, consistent stroke to be a 90% guy. But prime, he should be around 85%.
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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#87 » by whitehops » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:29 am

i'm so pumped for luka's career. i've been a massive fan of lebron's for a loooong time now because of his combination of skill and bball IQ and i see the same qualities in luka.

i only entered one fantasy league this year and had one goal: come out of the draft with doncic. it's a 16 team league so you really have to reach to get players you want and i gambled and lost luka, thinking i could get him in the 4th round. i ended up trading my 3rd round pick (kanter) and more just for luka right after the draft and i'm so glad i did. kanter and the others have underachieved while luka has blew up and will likely be a top 20 fantasy player by the end of the season.

what luka has done so far as a 19 year old rookie is actually amazing.
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Post#88 » by Heej » Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:07 am

I got the sense that DSJ broke the play call at the end of the game because as he entered it to DJ you can see Luka starting to put the moves on Jrue so he can get a full head of steam on a blind pig action. But DSJ charges straight towards DJ to initiate a handoff. I think you can tell he broke the script there instead of spacing out to the corner because the second he gets the handoff from DJ you can see Luka looking at Carlisle like wtf is going on.

If I had to place my bets on it I think this will be the play we look back on as the one that sealed DSJ's fate being traded by the Mavs. That's if my diagnosis of the situation is correct. Because I find it hard to believe that's the play Carlisle called. Him and Stevens really innovated the guy charging in from the backcourt as an ATO option so that seems more his style with DSJ spacing to the corner if his man crashes on the DJ roll, rather than a weirdly spaced handoff that gets AD switched on to Jrue.
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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#89 » by The-Power » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:58 pm

Has there ever been a player who takes less than 20% of his shots around the rim but has a FTr of .40? He's amazing at creating contact away from the rim and he gets a lot of calls early on his drives which lead to FTs when the team is in the bonus.
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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#90 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:16 pm

The-Power wrote:Has there ever been a player who takes less than 20% of his shots around the rim but has a FTr of .40? He's amazing at creating contact away from the rim and he gets a lot of calls early on his drives which lead to FTs when the team is in the bonus.



Dirk multiple times. Including in 05 where he had a FTR of .49 with 18% of his shots at the rim.
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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#91 » by JVL » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:36 pm

This kid is one of the most exciting players I've ever seen during the first half of a rookie season. I'm a fan: love the attitude, the poise and the maturity of his game.
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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#92 » by Ascrilas » Tue Jan 1, 2019 10:47 pm

His RPM has jumped from 1.66 (24th Dec) to 2.14 (31st Dec). The highest rookies last year (including playoffs) were at 2.92 (Tatum) and 2.89 (Simmons). I think Doncic can match or eclipse this. He didn't even have a particularly good stretch of games in this span for his standards (A:TO ratio has been not good), but his impact is still felt, whether by metrics or eye test.
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Post#93 » by homecourtloss » Tue Jan 1, 2019 11:36 pm

What do you think his defensive peak can be? +1, +2, even? On offense, I think he can be one of those magical +5 to +7 guys.
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Post#94 » by Heej » Wed Jan 2, 2019 2:01 am

homecourtloss wrote:What do you think his defensive peak can be? +1, +2, even? On offense, I think he can be one of those magical +5 to +7 guys.

I feel like it all hinges on how big time a rebounder he becomes. It was a big reason why impact stats love Bird's defense. Honestly the #1 reason. If he gets to 8 a game he'll be at +1.5ish territory imo just because he projects to be good on help D.
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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#95 » by homecourtloss » Wed Jan 2, 2019 2:19 am

lessthanjake wrote:Kyrie was extremely impactful without LeBron, and basically had zero impact whatsoever if LeBron was on the court.

lessthanjake wrote: By playing in a way that prevents Kyrie from getting much impact, LeBron ensures that controlling for Kyrie has limited effect…
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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#96 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Jan 2, 2019 2:21 pm

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homecourtloss wrote:What do you think his defensive peak can be? +1, +2, even? On offense, I think he can be one of those magical +5 to +7 guys.

I feel like it all hinges on how big time a rebounder he becomes. It was a big reason why impact stats love Bird's defense. Honestly the #1 reason. If he gets to 8 a game he'll be at +1.5ish territory imo just because he projects to be good on help D.


I think he's probably going to be a pretty good defensive rebounder. Hard to get a good read on that with Jordan working so hard to grab all of them, but he's constantly in position to get the ball and he definitely understands the offensive value of him grabbing the board as the Mavs best decision maker. You can see his frustration every game where Jordan steals a rebound from him then holds the ball for a second or two before giving it up. Luka is bouncing on the balls of his feet ready to go go go.
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Post#97 » by trex_8063 » Wed Jan 2, 2019 9:23 pm

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Yeah, not to derail, but I find this^^^ is often the root-cause of many of the flame wars we endeavor to put out:

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For some people, being very publicly proven wrong (while further damaging their credibility by refusing to acknowledge it in the face of ever-mounting evidence) is preferable to just owning up to it at the start.

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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#98 » by Wooderson » Wed Jan 2, 2019 11:04 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
The-Power wrote:Has there ever been a player who takes less than 20% of his shots around the rim but has a FTr of .40? He's amazing at creating contact away from the rim and he gets a lot of calls early on his drives which lead to FTs when the team is in the bonus.



Dirk multiple times. Including in 05 where he had a FTR of .49 with 18% of his shots at the rim.


Durant in 2011 and on pace to do it again this year
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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#99 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Jan 3, 2019 12:24 am

Wooderson wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
The-Power wrote:Has there ever been a player who takes less than 20% of his shots around the rim but has a FTr of .40? He's amazing at creating contact away from the rim and he gets a lot of calls early on his drives which lead to FTs when the team is in the bonus.



Dirk multiple times. Including in 05 where he had a FTR of .49 with 18% of his shots at the rim.


Durant in 2011 and on pace to do it again this year


I thought about KD because like Dirk he's such a dangerous jump shooter and he's so long, but I I figured he went to the basket too much to make the list.

I wonder if anyone has ever been fouled more often shooting jumpers than those two guys?
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Re: The Luka Doncic Thread - 2018-19 

Post#100 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:40 am

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