Why Would FAs Go To Knicks over Nets?

[Akklaim1]

Maybe the Nets would be a better brand if they went (back) with New York Nets instead of just representing one ofnthe four boroughs.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The Knicks are way more popular in NY than the Nets, I will admit that.

But its not a Lakers/Clippers type situation. The Knicks haven't won a title in like 40 years.

If the Nets were ever good, then NY would flip over. And Brooklyn would become entrenched as a Nets town.

People in New York are starving for good basketball. They're not going to stick with James Dolan if they have another option.

i think the nets have to be more than just good, just as the clips have to be more than just good. all that time with blake and cp3 ultimately got the clips nowhere in la because they just couldn't establish anything. as it CURRENTLY stands in nyc, the nets aren't good enough. they're better than nyk but it's not enough to just be better

Clips situation is not comparable because Knicks dont have a history of winning rings. People don't love the Knicks like they love the Lakers.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Only way NY would flip over to the Nets is if there were a dynasty being built.

Knicks, even through all their mediocrity, have always be NY's team. When they were halfway decent, MSG was probably the hottest ticket in all of NY sports.

Yeah not true. If the Nets just win 1 Championship they will become the team in New York. Especially in Brooklyn.

Loyalty to the Knicks doesn't run that deep in NY. People are tired of Dolan.

In a year that the Knicks are tanking and the Nets are clearly the better team, the Knicks are top 10 in attendance while the Nets are dead last. Even during the Nets best days they weren't in the top half of the league in attendance while the Knicks have always been in the top 5-10 range.

The Nets just became an NY team 6 years ago. Even if the Knicks have been mediocre for the past 20 years, they're going to stay NY's team for a while.

lol the Nets just started to get better. Last month they had a comparable record to the Knicks.

NY just wants a good basketball team. The Knicks are not that loved that people are going to hold on to them when they suck and theres another option.

[HeartBreakKid]

The Nets will not be the #1 team in NYC for any prolonged period of time unless they have a dynasty. Even as of now the Nets are not the most popular basketball team in Brooklyn, much less New York Metro.

A lot of people will bandwagon the Nets like when the Nets went to the finals in the early 2000s, but it will fade away as soon as they aren't title contenders anymore. The Nets will have to have real dominance and a real 'show' to get people to really switch over in New York.

I think a lot of stars do look at Brooklyn though - being the first guy to put Brooklyn on the map would make you a big deal for sure. However, as of now the Nets are nowhere near the popularity of the Knicks. Even when the Nets were better for that one season in 2014, they were hardly on the news in New York compared to the Knicks, much less the entire nation (which the Knicks dominate even when they are mediocre in terms of media coverage).

From a basketball stand point, it would be better to go to Brooklyn, but pairing up with Porzingis and another possible FA does make sense as well. The Nets are currently better ran though, but I am not sure if any top 15ish player is going to the Nets with out the guarantee of another star coming along.


The Nets did have a real chance to make a gigantic splash though. When they moved to Brooklyn and changed their branding, a lot of people were ready to switch over (people in New York love riding new ****, especially Brookylnites), but the Nets flopped hard on the court and as a result made a really lack luster product, people were ready to be swept off their feet but the Nets gave a bad first impression and that matters a lot.

Nowawadays, when you go to a Nets game the people are there simply because Nets tickets are really cheap compared to Knicks games. You don't see real fandom in the stands for the most part, which is sad because it's kinda awesome that Brooklyn has its own sports team again.

While the Nets made a million mistakes - the real reason why the Nets didn't become a "show" is because of Deron Williams. He should have been the guy that gave the Nets real branding power in NYC, but the guy had no heart and he really screwed the franchise over even more so than Billy King.

[lars_rosenberg]

The Knicks are the laughing stock of the NBA, the only reason anyone would play for them is because they are in New York, but since there is another team in New York which is run decently, why even bother with the Knicks?
Maybe I'm too low on Porzingis, but he's a very inconsistent player with a serious injury history, I wouldn't count him as a free agent attractive.

[King4Day]

Same reason players go to the Lakers and not clippers. Knicks are synonymous with the bright lights and big city.

They also have the best player on either roster (kp)

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[Rockice_24]

Look anyone trying to argue that MSG doesn't have a draw is crazy. Despite how bad the Knicks have been over the past decade + it still get sold out constantly and NYK fans a among the most die hard in any sport. They have to be to watch the awful teams the Knicks have put out there over the years.

Anything else from the argument between Manhattan or Brooklyn to they can make more in endorsements off the court are largely irrelevant. Guys in OKC and other small markets are all over the place due to media coverage these days. The days of needing to be in NY and LA to make money off the court are dead.

As for the more important stuff like ownership, GM, HC and roster that is pretty clearly in favor of the Nets. Guys are taking less to stay and sign in Brooklyn instead of leaving for more money. And so many guys are saying the performance staff the Nets have put together is unlike anything else they have ever seen in the NBA. Not sure what that means but guys are taking notice. The Nets have built one of the top organizations from top to bottom in the entire league.

Now onto the court itself. KP is still the best player between the two teams but it's not nearly the big gap it used to be. His injury history, recent lower shooting percentages and criticism of the Knicks org are all not great signs of a guy you can build around long term or want to team up with if he's not going to be there when you need him due to injuries. Who knows what type of player he will be after the injury. He needs to come back this year and prove he is the same guy or the Knicks won't have any shot at a FA. This idea that they will tank for Zion and KP will come back and they'll then sign KD or someone else is crazy talk.

The Nets have the far superior roster after KP. Guys like DIn and Levert are now playing like fringe all star caliber players and getting closer to KP as an overall player with they way they are playing. Guys like RHJ and Harris are excellent role players. Rodion Kurucs and Jarrett Allen are outplaying any of the Knicks recent top 10 picks Frank and Knox so if you really look at the rosters after KP the next 4-5 best players are all on the Nets. The Knicks 2nd best player is probably THJ.

If you wanted to come to NY and win you best chance is with the Nets and their far superior overall roster compared to hoping KP is healthy and gets back to playing like a star.

[dakomish23]

The Knicks are way more popular in NY than the Nets, I will admit that.

But its not a Lakers/Clippers type situation. The Knicks haven't won a title in like 40 years.

If the Nets were ever good, then NY would flip over. And Brooklyn would become entrenched as a Nets town.

People in New York are starving for good basketball. They're not going to stick with James Dolan if they have another option.

i think the nets have to be more than just good, just as the clips have to be more than just good. all that time with blake and cp3 ultimately got the clips nowhere in la because they just couldn't establish anything. as it CURRENTLY stands in nyc, the nets aren't good enough. they're better than nyk but it's not enough to just be better

Clips situation is not comparable because Knicks dont have a history of winning rings. People don't love the Knicks like they love the Lakers.

You are a 100% wrong about this. If the Knicks are even a legitimate playoff team, they own all the media coverage and that’s all anyone and everyone talks about.

I remember in the 90’s when the Yankees were in the playoffs and the back cover story was instead a Knicks FA transaction.

I love having two teams here. I’ll even watch them if the Knicks aren’t on. I know plenty of ppl who have no problem with them being good. I even give massive credit to their FO for the moves they’ve made. Knicks fans on RealGM hate it.

Still, I as a diehard would never change allegiance and most casual fans I know will be Knicks first. You’d have to be GSW or CHI MJ years or LAL Shaq Kobe level good to flip this town. Maybe if you guys land Zion and he really is the next top tier player. It would take an unbelievable amount of star power and winning to loosen the stranglehold the Knicks have on this town.

Baseball is split. Football is split. There’s always been one basketball team till recently. It is a Knicks town by a gigantic margin.

[dakomish23]

Look anyone trying to argue that MSG doesn't have a draw is crazy. Despite how bad the Knicks have been over the past decade + it still get sold out constantly and NYK fans a among the most die hard in any sport. They have to be to watch the awful teams the Knicks have put out there over the years.

Anything else from the argument between Manhattan or Brooklyn to they can make more in endorsements off the court are largely irrelevant. Guys in OKC and other small markets are all over the place due to media coverage these days. The days of needing to be in NY and LA to make money off the court are dead.

As for the more important stuff like ownership, GM, HC and roster that is pretty clearly in favor of the Nets. Guys are taking less to stay and sign in Brooklyn instead of leaving for more money. And so many guys are saying the performance staff the Nets have put together is unlike anything else they have ever seen in the NBA. Not sure what that means but guys are taking notice. The Nets have built one of the top organizations from top to bottom in the entire league.

Now onto the court itself. KP is still the best player between the two teams but it's not nearly the big gap it used to be. His injury history, recent lower shooting percentages and criticism of the Knicks org are all not great signs of a guy you can build around long term or want to team up with if he's not going to be there when you need him due to injuries. Who knows what type of player he will be after the injury. He needs to come back this year and prove he is the same guy or the Knicks won't have any shot at a FA. This idea that they will tank for Zion and KP will come back and they'll then sign KD or someone else is crazy talk.

The Nets have the far superior roster after KP. Guys like DIn and Levert are now playing like fringe all star caliber players and getting closer to KP as an overall player with they way they are playing. Guys like RHJ and Harris are excellent role players. Rodion Kurucs and Jarrett Allen are outplaying any of the Knicks recent top 10 picks Frank and Knox so if you really look at the rosters after KP the next 4-5 best players are all on the Nets. The Knicks 2nd best player is probably THJ.

If you wanted to come to NY and win you best chance is with the Nets and their far superior overall roster compared to hoping KP is healthy and gets back to playing like a star.

I’m all for supporting your team and I really do like both players, but this is way too much hyperbole.

I still remember last summer when BKN fans were here saying DLo is better than KP

[DaGawd]

They wouldn't. Why would you pick Dolan over Jay-Z?

Maybe cause Jay doesnt own the nets anymore?

[dakomish23]

Knicks are more popular and play in MSG, pretty simple really

pretty low bar for success for the Knicks too

Don’t be surprised if they still find a way to trip over it.

I’m here defending them against some ridiculous claims, but I have been less than thrilled with their choices since the summer of 2017. Not everything has been bad and there’s even been some good moves. But some major things they messed up IMO. They may have severely lowered the ceiling for KP’s prime in a NYK uniform and will need some lottery luck and/or a FA miracle to overcome it.

[Metallikid]

They wouldn't. Why would you pick Dolan over Jay-Z?

Maybe cause Jay doesnt own the nets anymore?

Okay, I'd rather have the owner of Alibaba instead of Dolan too.

[NJ-NYK-17]

The Knicks are way more popular in NY than the Nets, I will admit that.

But its not a Lakers/Clippers type situation. The Knicks haven't won a title in like 40 years.

If the Nets were ever good, then NY would flip over. And Brooklyn would become entrenched as a Nets town.

People in New York are starving for good basketball. They're not going to stick with James Dolan if they have another option.

Only way NY would flip over to the Nets is if there were a dynasty being built.

Knicks, even through all their mediocrity, have always be NY's team. When they were halfway decent, MSG was probably the hottest ticket in all of NY sports.

Yeah not true. If the Nets just win 1 Championship they will become the team in New York. Especially in Brooklyn.

Loyalty to the Knicks doesn't run that deep in NY. People are tired of Dolan.

The idea of NY flipping to Brooklyn Nets is absolutely laughable. The Knicks fanbase is one of the strongest/die hard in the league and they have been awful for a long time.

I grew up in NNJ when the Nets were good and all my friends and I were Knicks fans. All my friends on the AAU basketball circuit at the time were Knicks fans. I'm sure the Nets filled the stadium with fair weather fans but there was basically 0 fanbase in Jersey. Now they are in Brooklyn which is still Knicks town.

Aside from maybe this year, when was the last time the Lakers were better than the Clippers? And the Clippers are still 2nd fiddle

[Paradise]

Durant has been praising KP since his rookie year

Durant trains with LeVert.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/9/25/16363846/kevin-durant-tells-caris-levert-be-ready-for-that-moment

Durant likes everyone.

Until he gets to his burner accounts.

Source: I lived it as a fan.

I don’t see him mentoring everyone across the league so let’s not do that “it’s not about him, he does it for everyone” thing. Especially after he trashed LeBron and came out stating he cannot he recruited.

I don’t see any articles with him looking to help Porzingis in 2016, however I have heard alot of good things about his mentorship to Caris even before his rookie season. Praising someone and having legitimate connections on top of praising them or liking them are two different things.

Adam Harrington is still apart of our coaching staff and still remains close with KD every single off-season since he’s been here.

Marks has a relationship with his uncle while Tiago Splitter recently had dinner with Kawhi himself before a Nets game which was also confirmed by Stephen A Smith last week.

[bondom34]

Durant trains with LeVert.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/9/25/16363846/kevin-durant-tells-caris-levert-be-ready-for-that-moment

Durant likes everyone.

Until he gets to his burner accounts.

Source: I lived it as a fan.

I don’t see him mentoring everyone across the league so let’s not do that “it’s not about him, he does it for everyone” thing. Especially after he trashed LeBron and came out stating he cannot he recruited.

I don’t see any articles with him looking to help Porzingis in 2016, however I have heard alot of good things about his mentorship to Caris even before his rookie season. Praising someone and having legitimate connections on top of praising them or liking them are two different things.

Adam Harrington is still apart of our coaching staff and still remains close with KD every single off-season since he’s been here.

Marks has a relationship with his uncle while Tiago Splitter recently had dinner with Kawhi himself before a Nets game which was also confirmed by Stephen A Smith last week.

Reportedly he's friends with KP, Dinwiddie, Kyrie, was with Westbrook, Draymond/Curry, cleaned things up with Lebron, I believe Tobias Harris, admires Devin Booker....the list goes on and on. Guys have connections.

[dakomish23]

Durant trains with LeVert.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/9/25/16363846/kevin-durant-tells-caris-levert-be-ready-for-that-moment

Durant likes everyone.

Until he gets to his burner accounts.

Source: I lived it as a fan.

I don’t see him mentoring everyone across the league so let’s not do that “it’s not about him, he does it for everyone” thing. Especially after he trashed LeBron and came out stating he cannot he recruited.

I don’t see any articles with him looking to help Porzingis in 2016, however I have heard alot of good things about his mentorship to Caris even before his rookie season. Praising someone and having legitimate connections on top of praising them or liking them are two different things.

Adam Harrington is still apart of our coaching staff and still remains close with KD every single off-season since he’s been here.

Marks has a relationship with his uncle while Tiago Splitter recently had dinner with Kawhi himself before a Nets game which was also confirmed by Stephen A Smith last week.

KP worked out with Dirk before. Does this mean he's going to DAL?

[Paradise]

Only way NY would flip over to the Nets is if there were a dynasty being built.

Knicks, even through all their mediocrity, have always be NY's team. When they were halfway decent, MSG was probably the hottest ticket in all of NY sports.

Yeah not true. If the Nets just win 1 Championship they will become the team in New York. Especially in Brooklyn.

Loyalty to the Knicks doesn't run that deep in NY. People are tired of Dolan.

The idea of NY flipping to Brooklyn Nets is absolutely laughable. The Knicks fanbase is one of the strongest/die hard in the league and they have been awful for a long time.

I grew up in NNJ when the Nets were good and all my friends and I were Knicks fans. All my friends on the AAU basketball circuit at the time were Knicks fans. I'm sure the Nets filled the stadium with fair weather fans but there was basically 0 fanbase in Jersey. Now they are in Brooklyn which is still Knicks town.

Aside from maybe this year, when was the last time the Lakers were better than the Clippers? And the Clippers are still 2nd fiddle

Clippers still get more buzz than the Knicks right now.

Knick fans acting like Net fans don’t exist is almost as laughable as Knick fans comparing Lakers and Clippers. Knicks and Lakers have nothing in common besides being a large market. When have the Knicks won anything? I’ll wait.

Signing Melo to that extension was the biggest deal in years beating out the mighty Lakers. Now, 9-26 after 17 wins in 2015 and it was all after Mr. Donnie Walsh spent two years clearing their cap for the magic of 2010.

Their last ‘era’ of winning with Melo nearly could’ve happened in Barclays instead if it wasn’t for Denver gutting that NYK roster of assets. It also doesn’t help LeBron made it know he liked Brooklyn a lot but didn’t want to play in NJ to get there. So, the Knicks are not and never will be the clear cut favorite for a star going forward. Nets will always an option for a NY born athlete as long as we build a sustainable culture and a winning tradition.

Nobody cares about the Knicks right now unless it’s bad press because there is more money to be made laughing at the MSG clown show than than it is putting on a good product. Linsanity was the one magical moment but how did that go? Ask Dolan.

When the Knicks were good they received about 28 national televised games. When the Nets were last good they received 28+ national TV games and multiple appearances on Christmas. What’s the difference? The NBA doesn’t see it. Wasn’t long ago Jimmy Butler demanded a trade here and not the Knicks.

Dallas is the biggest market in Texas and who have they signed? Nobody. Who has Mark Cuban or traded for since the Spurs Big 3 or Houston’s Harden trade? Popularity contests don’t work for Dallas. They’ve been gifted Doncic but the Rockets and Spurs can and have signed a FA or two before at least.

I see more press covering the idea of Kawhi and KD ending up in LAC than I do anyone covering the idea of KD to the Knicks. So, let’s not try to act like the Knicks are some grandfather franchise. It’s got history and that gets rewritten daily.

[NJ-NYK-17]

Yeah not true. If the Nets just win 1 Championship they will become the team in New York. Especially in Brooklyn.

Loyalty to the Knicks doesn't run that deep in NY. People are tired of Dolan.

The idea of NY flipping to Brooklyn Nets is absolutely laughable. The Knicks fanbase is one of the strongest/die hard in the league and they have been awful for a long time.

I grew up in NNJ when the Nets were good and all my friends and I were Knicks fans. All my friends on the AAU basketball circuit at the time were Knicks fans. I'm sure the Nets filled the stadium with fair weather fans but there was basically 0 fanbase in Jersey. Now they are in Brooklyn which is still Knicks town.

Aside from maybe this year, when was the last time the Lakers were better than the Clippers? And the Clippers are still 2nd fiddle

Clippers still get more buzz than the Knicks right now.

Knick fans acting like Net fans don’t exist is almost as laughable as Knick fans comparing Lakers and Clippers. Knicks and Lakers have nothing in common besides being a large market. When have the Knicks won anything? I’ll wait.

Signing Melo to that extension was the biggest deal in years beating out the mighty Lakers. Now, 9-26 after 17 wins in 2015 and it was all after Mr. Donnie Walsh spent two years clearing their cap for the magic of 2010.

Their last ‘era’ of winning with Melo nearly could’ve happened in Barclays instead if it wasn’t for Denver gutting that NYK roster of assets. It also doesn’t help LeBron made it know he liked Brooklyn a lot but didn’t want to play in NJ to get there. So, the Knicks are not and never will be the clear cut favorite for a star going forward. Nets will always an option for a NY born athlete as long as we build a sustainable culture and a winning tradition.

Nobody cares about the Knicks right now unless it’s bad press because there is more money to be made laughing at the MSG clown show than than it is putting on a good product. Linsanity was the one magical moment but how did that go? Ask Dolan.

When the Knicks were good they received about 28 national televised games. When the Nets were last good they received 28+ national TV games and multiple appearances on Christmas. What’s the difference? The NBA doesn’t see it. Wasn’t long ago Jimmy Butler demanded a trade here and not the Knicks.

Dallas is the biggest market in Texas and who have they signed? Nobody. Who has Mark Cuban or traded for since the Spurs Big 3 or Houston’s Harden trade? Popularity contests don’t work for Dallas. They’ve been gifted Doncic but the Rockets and Spurs can and have signed a FA or two before at least.

I see more press covering the idea of Kawhi and KD ending up in LAC than I do anyone covering the idea of KD to the Knicks. So, let’s not try to act like the Knicks are some grandfather franchise. It’s got history and that gets rewritten daily.

The comparison isn't about winning/success. The Clippers are the stepchild of that market, just like the Nets, because the Lakers have been there forever and have deep roots. Granted they also have a legacy of success that the Knicks could never sniff.

At the end of the day, NYC is heavy heavy heavy Knicks territory. I've been to Nets home games vs the Knicks, I've seen majority of the fans rocking Knicks colors.

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[Lalouie]

The Knicks are way more popular in NY than the Nets, I will admit that.

But its not a Lakers/Clippers type situation. The Knicks haven't won a title in like 40 years.

If the Nets were ever good, then NY would flip over. And Brooklyn would become entrenched as a Nets town.

People in New York are starving for good basketball. They're not going to stick with James Dolan if they have another option.

i think the nets have to be more than just good, just as the clips have to be more than just good. all that time with blake and cp3 ultimately got the clips nowhere in la because they just couldn't establish anything. as it CURRENTLY stands in nyc, the nets aren't good enough. they're better than nyk but it's not enough to just be better

Clips situation is not comparable because Knicks dont have a history of winning rings. People don't love the Knicks like they love the Lakers.

the rings of success have nothing to do with it. the knicks/yankees/giants CULTURE is the same as the dodgers/lakers culture. like a birthright, part of the dna, like a legacy that gets handed down every generation. being a laker fan is about everything the rings, the non-rings in the 60s, chick hearn, just like the dodgers and koufax and scully. the celebrity awareness. like,,,i look at lebron in the laker jersey and he looks like he should have been wearing that jersey for his whole career. the "other teams", nets and clips, become an afterthought as a result.