Will NO regret not taking the Lakers offer?

[jsierra1985]

lavar ball really trying to get his boy traded to the suns....clever to go on undisputed to talk about it before deadline

[Shoe]

Demps understands one Tatum for the next 6 years is better than the combination of Lakers young players, quality over quantity.

Do you seriously believe that one Tatum is worth more than Ball, Ingram, Kuzma and Rondo?

Yep. Career 40% 3pt, 84% ft. If you look at the top 20 players in free throw percent this year, five of them are all-nba : Curry, Durant, Lillard, Harden, Kawhi. No reason to sign Ingram, Kuzma and Ball to their next contracts when you won't win anything with them.

[Kilo]

Lonzo/Lavar Ball reaction to the rumors is what made the trade toxic and a total no-go. It was too late to make a monster three way sending Lonzo anywhere for fair on court value.

[MotownMadness]

No. many years from now Demps & Co will remember this week and smile to themselves.

the week when they stood up to the 'King'.

I may be speaking too early though lol.

A little bit, I honestly don’t even think that franchise will last at this point. The market there just seems to be pretty bad and I’m not sure why.

[12footrim]

You mean the doo doo platter. No. The lakers have no leverage and Lebron's camp probably misplayed this a year. Even if AD demanded his way to LA they can trade him elsewhere this year and that team could flip him next off season so there is little rush to get him to LA and they don't have the assets to even go all in and be enough.

[Jon1798]

I like Tatum, but i don't understand why everyone views him as such a superior player to Ingram and Kuzma.

Kuzma’s defense makes him essentially a bench player on a good team. And Ingram is more of a point forward that isn’t quite good enough to have the offense run through him. I also don’t like that Ingram will be off his rookie deal soon.

Tatum is a more complete player at a very valuable position.

No one who is being serious means to say Kuzma and Ingram don’t have value. I just think they are limited player that would have limited impact on putting together a really good team. Where as Tatum is a great compliment next to Jrue and a no doubt front line starter.

I just think Kuzma is too good of a scorer, not to be a starter. I think he can be a Tobias Harris level player. Ingram is 21, and is already scoring 17 per game, and he can pass and defend. Those two are valuable pieces. Maybe not as good as Tatum, but pretty close i'd say.

Well, for comparison. We have Julius Randle who is an even better scorer, and a much better rebounder than Kuzma. And we can’t give him away because of his defense. A bad defender caves a team in. And Kuzma is not THAT good of a scorer.

I would take Ingram on my team. No question. I just personally feel Tatum is on another level. And ultimately, getting the best player is most important here in my mind. Not a bunch of pieces.

[12footrim]

Demps understands one Tatum for the next 6 years is better than the combination of Lakers young players, quality over quantity.

Do you seriously believe that one Tatum is worth more than Ball, Ingram, Kuzma and Rondo?

Yep. Career 40% 3pt, 84% ft. If you look at the top 20 players in free throw percent this year, five of them are all-nba : Curry, Durant, Lillard, Harden, Kawhi. No reason to sign Ingram, Kuzma and Ball to their next contracts when you won't win anything with them.

Absolutely, no question.

[NinjaBro]

regret what? trading a dollar for pennies?

[picko]

They won't regret it now but it will haunt them. They have sent a very clear message to players and agents. Agents will steer players away from NO during free agency. It also will be difficult to regain trust given all the leaks.

[nolang1]

Yes, whichever players they trade for have seen that the organization will hold players hostage out of spite and will be less likely to stick around.

[NO-KG-AI]

Not at all. Clippers just got a better deal for Tobias Harris. Lmao.

[NO-KG-AI]

They won't regret it now but it will haunt them. They have sent a very clear message to players and agents. Agents will steer players away from NO during free agency. It also will be difficult to regain trust given all the leaks.

Why? Because we won't send a player to the Lakers because Rich Paul and LeBron James demanded that he be traded there?

[Kurosawa0]

I think people are underrating this risk actually. I know it's the in thing to bash the Lakers and LeBron, but if the offer really was Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, expiring cap filler + 2-4 1sts? I'm sorry but that's actually a pretty damn good deal. That's as good of an offer for what the value is at the time of the trade as any other team has gotten for trading away it's star in recent memory.

That's three cracks at getting at least one really good player. I'm not sure if all three of Kuzma, Ingram and Ball will be really good players, but I'd bet on at least one of them working out and being a near-all star. Then, the Lakers' pick isn't going to be horrible this year, even if you send them AD. I'd bet on it being somewhere between 12-18.

So, if you're New Orleans and you make this deal, you start off your rebuild with:

- a top 10 pick of your own from
- Another top 18ish pick from the Lakers
- Three young, cost controlled players with upside
- More picks and flexibility

I'm sorry, but that's a good deal from any team. Not just the Lakers.

There's a chance that a team like Cleveland wins the lottery, taking Zion off the table in a potential trade. Then Kyrie leaves Boston this summer and killing Boston throwing in Tatum. It's at least 50/50 both of those scenarios happen. If they do, what return the Pelicans get for AD will almost assuredly not be as good as the reported offer from the Lakers right now.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

They won't regret it now but it will haunt them. They have sent a very clear message to players and agents. Agents will steer players away from NO during free agency. It also will be difficult to regain trust given all the leaks.

You do realize the Lakers tampered with their best player and then wanted to strong arm them in making a deal right?

It’s Ok for the lakers to tamper with agents/ players but god forbid a smaller market team fights back and wants better players then what the lakers are offering..oh the Humanity.

[picko]

They won't regret it now but it will haunt them. They have sent a very clear message to players and agents. Agents will steer players away from NO during free agency. It also will be difficult to regain trust given all the leaks.

Why? Because we won't send a player to the Lakers because Rich Paul and LeBron James demanded that he be traded there?

It has precisely nothing to do with LeBron or Rich Paul. Instead, it's pure game theory. Their shenanigans - including leaks - send a very strong signal to the industry. How a team handles a trade speaks volumes about their character.

[Kurosawa0]

They won't regret it now but it will haunt them. They have sent a very clear message to players and agents. Agents will steer players away from NO during free agency. It also will be difficult to regain trust given all the leaks.

Why? Because we won't send a player to the Lakers because Rich Paul and LeBron James demanded that he be traded there?

It has precisely nothing to do with LeBron or Rich Paul. Instead, it's pure game theory. Their shenanigans - including leaks - send a very strong signal to the industry. How a team handles a trade speaks volumes about their character.

What I think people don't understand is that a lot of agents and teams play the game the same way Rich Paul and the Lakers do. I know I'd be hesitant in talking to them if I was another team.

[michaelm]

They won't regret it now but it will haunt them. They have sent a very clear message to players and agents. Agents will steer players away from NO during free agency. It also will be difficult to regain trust given all the leaks.

Why? Because we won't send a player to the Lakers because Rich Paul and LeBron James demanded that he be traded there?

It has precisely nothing to do with LeBron or Rich Paul. Instead, it's pure game theory. Their shenanigans - including leaks - send a very strong signal to the industry. How a team handles a trade speaks volumes about their character.

No doubt they forced Davis to sign the contract in the first place.

[dc]

If the question is, will the Pelicans regret not turning themselves into the Lakers team of the past couple years?

I would say NO. A team built around the Lakers young core probably tops out at 45 wins. A poor man's version of those Joe Johnson/Josh Smith Hawks teams. I wouldn't regret choosing not to build a team like that. I'd rather take my chances going in a different direction.

[michaelm]

They won't regret it now but it will haunt them. They have sent a very clear message to players and agents. Agents will steer players away from NO during free agency. It also will be difficult to regain trust given all the leaks.

Why? Because we won't send a player to the Lakers because Rich Paul and LeBron James demanded that he be traded there?

It has precisely nothing to do with LeBron or Rich Paul. Instead, it's pure game theory. Their shenanigans - including leaks - send a very strong signal to the industry. How a team handles a trade speaks volumes about their character.

Sounds a lot like blaming the victim to me.

[HotTubMike]

I think people are underrating this risk actually. I know it's the in thing to bash the Lakers and LeBron, but if the offer really was Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, expiring cap filler + 2-4 1sts? I'm sorry but that's actually a pretty damn good deal. That's as good of an offer for what the value is at the time of the trade as any other team has gotten for trading away it's star in recent memory.

That's three cracks at getting at least one really good player. I'm not sure if all three of Kuzma, Ingram and Ball will be really good players, but I'd bet on at least one of them working out and being a near-all star. Then, the Lakers' pick isn't going to be horrible this year, even if you send them AD. I'd bet on it being somewhere between 12-18.

So, if you're New Orleans and you make this deal, you start off your rebuild with:

- a top 10 pick of your own from
- Another top 18ish pick from the Lakers
- Three young, cost controlled players with upside
- More picks and flexibility

I'm sorry, but that's a good deal from any team. Not just the Lakers.

There's a chance that a team like Cleveland wins the lottery, taking Zion off the table in a potential trade. Then Kyrie leaves Boston this summer and killing Boston throwing in Tatum. It's at least 50/50 both of those scenarios happen. If they do, what return the Pelicans get for AD will almost assuredly not be as good as the reported offer from the Lakers right now.

I think you're overrating the Lakers young guys. I think the league has caught on to the fact that Ball, Ingram and to a lesser extent Kuzma aren't ever going to be all that great of players. That plus 2-4 late firsts isn't that appealing.