It's been 5 yrs. Can we now say Andrew Wiggins is a Bust?

[skones]

He's a bust. Some will look at his scoring and say no because PPGZZZZZZZ but he's a number one overall pick and has not been a positive impact player at any point in his career to date. That's a bust.

Anthony Bennett
Andrea Bargnani
Kwame Brown
Michael Olowokandi

among those who also failed to accomplish this feat, all widely considered "busts."

I guess Devin Booker is a bust, he's not a number 1 pick but his team sure does suck for someone putting up 23-25 pts a game

Cool, I never mentioned team success and what I said doesn't even apply to Devin Booker..... He's been on the positive side of both BPM and VORP both last season and this season.

[McHalesBurner]

Yep.

[wutevahung]

A bust isn't capable of putting up 20PPG over 5 seasons. Wiggins is just criminally overpaid.

Dunc'on podcast I think just excluded him outside of top 30 small forwards. To be frank, Wiggins basically still get by on potential. His 20 PPG is meaningless with his inefficiency, deficiency in all other facets of the game, and just generally lack of impact.

[robbie84]

He's overpaid but he's very clearly an NBA caliber player which makes him not a bust. Disappointing sure, but definitely not a bust.

You have a different interpretation of what a bust is than many in this thread (nothing wrong with that).

Many of us who say he's a bust is ..just because he's an NBA caliber player doesn't mean he isn't a bust of a #1 pick.
I mean, he's not an Anthony Bennett or Darko level failure, but that doesn't mean he isn't a bust of a #1 pick.
He's not a huge bust, but he's a bust.

[sixerswillrule]

Yeah but he wasn't the consensus #1. Embiid was going to be the first pick before the injury and Philly still took him 3rd overall. Wiggins and Parker were neck and neck for the #1 after that. And if you want to call Wiggins a bust, then why are we not talking about Parker? How many teams has he been on now.
Put money out of the picture, and look at the overall body of work, games actually PLAYED, and age, I think he still has time to grow into a better player. He's only 23 soon to be 24, how many players are in there prime at that age. Hell the pressure we put on 19 year olds now is ridiculous. I remember players stayed in college longer and looked better doing it. He's missed 3 games his entire career including the last 2, is playing improved D this year, and is working on his overall game.
His motor is his biggest enemy.

Go ahead and talk about Parker, no one is stopping you. He is also a bust at this point.

On June 26 2014, probably 70-80% of GMs would've taken Wiggins #1. That's a consensus #1 pick. Even if Embiid was healthy and Wiggins was taken #2, there's still no comparison in expectations for him vs. players like Vesley, Bender, and even Bennett who only a fraction would've taken at #1 or #2.

Of course Wiggins could still improve but the chances of that happening are getting smaller with each passing year. After this season it'll be 5 years in the league at 24 years old. Right now he's a borderline top 100 player.

Well we can disagree then.
Embiid was the number 1 at Kansas ahead of Wiggins. Even back then Wiggins had a questionable motor, but most thought he may overcome that. He still hasn't. Again, Big men were still more valuable than wings back then, and Embiid had a great skill set. Still does. Just think, you took a broken player at #3 and Cavs didn't really any big men. With LBJ coming back, they needed someone right then and Wiggins was the best available. They suck at pick first. See Bennett.

What are you disagreeing on? That on June 26 2014 most GMs would've taken Wiggins with the #1 pick? That's not an opinion, that's the truth.

[Ice Trae]

Considering all the hype he got, I would say yeah. Dude is Toronto Rudy Gay 2.0

[Duke4life831]

Depends on what you define as bust. He certainly isn't on the Anthony Bennett level. But people called Kwame Brown a bust, I would argue Kwame's 3rd season is better than any season Wiggins has had. Same goes for Bargnani, his advanced stats early on was better than Wiggins. So if Kwame Brown and Bargnani were busts, I'll call Wiggins a bust.

The only thing that anyone can point to that Wiggins isn't horrible at, it is his PPG. The thing about that is it is taking him 16.5 shots to average 18 points per game this year. That is horrible. There are a ton of players in this league capable of doing that.

His career best BPM is -2.1 which he had his 2nd year, this year is working on a career worst (-3.2). He has never had a positive VORP. Again the only thing he can do on the court is score, but his career TS% is 52% and this year is working on a new career low of 48%.

So ya is he Anthony Bennett level bad? No. But since the turn of the century, I think only Bennett and Fultz are the only two #1s that have been worse than Wiggins.

[RaptorsLife]

Considering all the hype he got, I would say yeah. Dude is Toronto Rudy Gay 2.0

Don’t disrespect Rudy gay. He’s decently efficient

Andrew Wiggins is a g league player with volume

[Duke4life831]

Considering all the hype he got, I would say yeah. Dude is Toronto Rudy Gay 2.0

Rudy Gay was the much better player at the same stage of their careers.

[ElMelo7]

He's hot garbage.

[Ice Trae]

Considering all the hype he got, I would say yeah. Dude is Toronto Rudy Gay 2.0

Don’t disrespect Rudy gay. He’s decently efficient

Andrew Wiggins is a g league player with volume

Considering all the hype he got, I would say yeah. Dude is Toronto Rudy Gay 2.0

Rudy Gay was the much better player at the same stage of their careers.

Thats why I said Toronto Rudy Gay. During his tenure there he was absolutely horrid. He was a blackhole on offense and was sporting a 49% TS

[LakerLegend]

I still can't fathom the contract he has.

[Prez]

It's pretty difficult to argue against it at this point. Even knowing what his stats have been the previous 4 seasons, it's still shocking how bad they are this year. 5th season in the league posting career lows damn near across the board by the advanced numbers.

[Duke4life831]

Considering all the hype he got, I would say yeah. Dude is Toronto Rudy Gay 2.0

Don’t disrespect Rudy gay. He’s decently efficient

Andrew Wiggins is a g league player with volume

Considering all the hype he got, I would say yeah. Dude is Toronto Rudy Gay 2.0

Rudy Gay was the much better player at the same stage of their careers.

Thats why I said Toronto Rudy Gay. During his tenure there he was absolutely horrid. He was a blackhole on offense and was sporting a 49% TS

Ya but that was just an 18 game sample size. When he first went to Toronto, he still had a positive BPM and VORP. At least you could make the argument that ya he wasting tremendous physical gifts, the dude was still at least somewhat a positive impact on he court. That last sentence still has never been said about Wiggins.

[BullyKing]

He's hardly a bust. He's just overpaid. And that isn't his fault.

He has not improved one iota during his time in the NBA. Dude's got to shoulder some of the fault there.

So you wouldn't take a career avg 20 pts a game, if Wiggins were making 10 mil a year he would be a steal but now he's a bust, lol. he's just overpaid.

A guy who scores 20 points taking 17 shots while giving up a ton on the defensive end? No, I would not want him at any price.

[iggymcfrack]

Depends on what you define as bust. He certainly isn't on the Anthony Bennett level. But people called Kwame Brown a bust, I would argue Kwame's 3rd season is better than any season Wiggins has had. Same goes for Bargnani, his advanced stats early on was better than Wiggins. So if Kwame Brown and Bargnani were busts, I'll call Wiggins a bust.

The only thing that anyone can point to that Wiggins isn't horrible at, it is his PPG. The thing about that is it is taking him 16.5 shots to average 18 points per game this year. That is horrible. There are a ton of players in this league capable of doing that.

His career best BPM is -2.1 which he had his 2nd year, this year is working on a career worst (-3.2). He has never had a positive VORP. Again the only thing he can do on the court is score, but his career TS% is 52% and this year is working on a new career low of 48%.

So ya is he Anthony Bennett level bad? No. But since the turn of the century, I think only Bennett and Fultz are the only two #1s that have been worse than Wiggins.

Fuktz has a lot of positive NBA skills. He just wasn’t given a great chance to develop in Philly since they already had multiple creators and were trying to win now. I’d take him over Wiggins any day. WIggins has no useful NBA skills. He doesn’t pass, doesn’t rebound, doesn’t play D, and his scoring’s so inefficient, it would be better if he didn’t shoot at all. He’s a complete bust IMO. I can’t see him helping any kind of playoff team even as a bench scorer. MAYBE he could be a 14th man replacement bench scorer for when your regular bench scorer gets injured, but that’s not a lot of production for a #1 pick.

[cbosh4mvp]

Once he is no longer on the wolves, he may end up being a sixth man ala JR Smith/Lou Will/Crawford. Can he even be good at that?

[_AIJ_]

He is. He is not a basketball player.


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[iggymcfrack]

Once he is no longer on the wolves, he may end up being a sixth man ala JR Smith/Lou Will/Crawford. Can he even be good at that?

Nope. He’d need an elite coach to overhaul his game to come remotely close to the level of any of those players and I don’t think he’d be willing to put in the effort. Honestly, once he runs out this deal with the Wolves I bet he just retires. He doesn’t care enough about basketball to play for less than 8 figures a year.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

overpaid but still a player in the NBA and looks like he can be for a long time.