2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread

[KqWIN]

I think the suns love Oubre and will match any offer if it comes to that. I do like him for our team though.

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If they commit a large amount of money to Oubre, might open the path to move on from Warren. Warren is very interesting to me. He's a funky player...but if his jumper is real he could be a real asset on a team friendly deal. I want to see him away from that cancerous franchise.

I'd prefer Warren, too, and I think he might be the odd-man out there.

23 for Warren
2 2nds for Olynyk?

It'd be kind of a deflating offseason if the expectation was a star player, but I think if we had some additional spacing and another scorer we would have had a nice chance against Houston.

I like both players and think they could be bargain bin finds. Might be able to get them for even less. In Warren's case, PHX may be one of the few teams in the league interested in Exum. If you don't want to move on from him, I think 23 for Warren+32 might do the trick.

[babyjax13]

If they commit a large amount of money to Oubre, might open the path to move on from Warren. Warren is very interesting to me. He's a funky player...but if his jumper is real he could be a real asset on a team friendly deal. I want to see him away from that cancerous franchise.

I'd prefer Warren, too, and I think he might be the odd-man out there.

23 for Warren
2 2nds for Olynyk?

It'd be kind of a deflating offseason if the expectation was a star player, but I think if we had some additional spacing and another scorer we would have had a nice chance against Houston.

I like both players and think they could be bargain bin finds. Might be able to get them for even less. In Warren's case, PHX may be one of the few teams in the league interested in Exum. If you don't want to move on from him, I think 23 for Warren+32 might do the trick.

I doubt Phoenix is going to use Warren to move up 9 picks in the draft, someone will offer a first round pick for him.

[KqWIN]

I'd prefer Warren, too, and I think he might be the odd-man out there.

23 for Warren
2 2nds for Olynyk?

It'd be kind of a deflating offseason if the expectation was a star player, but I think if we had some additional spacing and another scorer we would have had a nice chance against Houston.

I like both players and think they could be bargain bin finds. Might be able to get them for even less. In Warren's case, PHX may be one of the few teams in the league interested in Exum. If you don't want to move on from him, I think 23 for Warren+32 might do the trick.

I doubt Phoenix is going to use Warren to move up 9 picks in the draft, someone will offer a first round pick for him.

I disagree on the value here. Teams are very stingy about trading first round picks. It only takes one team to make the trade, but don't see who it is. Warren's contract is somewhat nebulous as well. I've heard it described as a negative contract.

[Inigo Montoya]

DL is quoted addressing the Jazz's difficulties to attract free agents:

Lindsey also discussed the difficulty of bringing free agents to the team, saying they want more money to play for the Jazz.

“We’ve had a lot of guys that have wanted to come. But, you know, they want $18 million and they’re worth six," he added.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253549/Jazz-Looking-To-Add-A-Sniper-At-Any-Position-In-Offseason

He's not very consistent with his message, but at least this feels more like the truth than a cheap spin that free agents want to come here, with the examples of Udoh, Thabo and Joe Johnson. This really shows where the Jazz really stand\stood in free agency for years.

[KqWIN]

Adding a sniper should be a priority, but adding a shot creator should be the real priority. Like I said in the other thread, Mitchell isn't close to being good enough for what we're asking him to do as the only shot creator. If we had Durant instead of Mitchell, we'd still be needing more scoring punch.

[babyjax13]

Miami fans seem to agree that Olynyk for cap space and two seconds is fair. I wouldn't hate it.

[Catchall]

Let's say that we don't get a max free agent (likely) and we don't deal with Memphis (also seems likely to me, Lindsey was LIVID). What does a successful offseason look like, then?

I think the Jazz have to maximize the draft. The two best players on our roster came in the draft and came in draft-day trades. We have to be prepared to do that again. If it means offering Grayson, Bradley, our 2nd pick and our #23 pick to move up to #17 or so to get someone with real upside, we have to make that move.

If we can trade for J'rue or lay out a sign-and-trade for Kemba, we should do it. But otherwise, we have to nail the draft like we did when we traded up for Donovan and traded in for Rudy. No one is just going to give us a 20-point scorer and knock-down shooter in a trade without depleting what we already have in a big way.

Think of our roster being like a portfolio of investments. We need a couple high-risk/high-return assets in our portfolio or our portfolio's value will plateau. The Jazz have a number of decent rotation players -- Crowder, Ingles, Royce, Thabo, etc. However, whether our goal is to keep or trade players, we need more high-value assets.

[KqWIN]

Let's say that we don't get a max free agent (likely) and we don't deal with Memphis (also seems likely to me, Lindsey was LIVID). What does a successful offseason look like, then?

I think the Jazz have to maximize the draft. The two best players on our roster came in the draft and came in draft-day trades. We have to be prepared to do that again. If it means offering Grayson, Bradley, our 2nd pick and our #23 pick to move up to #17 or so to get someone with real upside, we have to make that move.

If we can trade for J'rue or lay out a sign-and-trade for Kemba, we should do it. But otherwise, we have to nail the draft like we did when we traded up for Donovan and traded in for Rudy. No one is just going to give us a 20-point scorer and knock-down shooter in a trade without depleting what we already have in a big way.

Think of our roster being like a portfolio of investments. We need a couple high-risk/high-return assets in our portfolio or our portfolio's value will plateau. The Jazz have a number of decent rotation players -- Crowder, Ingles, Royce, Thabo, etc. However, whether our goal is to keep or trade players, we need more high-value assets.

Like the mentality. The Jazz need to improve their war chest. We don't have many tradable players or extra draft picks to make a move if need be. If we can't get the big fish, the Jazz need to at least find players that they can turn into valuable trade assets.

Using the exceptions and manipulating the cap will be the most important thing imo. It's a complicated web. From an asset standpoint, might be best to keep both Favors and Rubio, then use your exceptions to get to a higher salary level with more money in expiring deals.

DL needs to show something more than sitting on his hands. In order to take the next step, we need him to be prideful in making positive moves despite tough circumstances. In the past he has been very prideful and boastful about not making mistakes, but that's not what we need right now. Unless we're considering this past season a success.

[VCfor3]

Let's say that we don't get a max free agent (likely) and we don't deal with Memphis (also seems likely to me, Lindsey was LIVID). What does a successful offseason look like, then?

Probably a dumb question, but what all happened with the Memphis trade that upset him? I'm sure the players who'd be theoretically included being leaked upset him but was there anything else? I also thought it was Utah media that leaked it since the Memphis guys were basically just retweeting them since they were more up to date/in the loop on everything.

[KqWIN]

Let's say that we don't get a max free agent (likely) and we don't deal with Memphis (also seems likely to me, Lindsey was LIVID). What does a successful offseason look like, then?

Probably a dumb question, but what all happened with the Memphis trade that upset him? I'm sure the players who'd be theoretically included being leaked upset him but was there anything else? I also thought it was Utah media that leaked it since the Memphis guys were basically just retweeting them since they were more up to date/in the loop on everything.

These are human beings. The idea of packing up your life, and your season essentially being over is difficult. Especially for a player who is all heart like Ricky.

[PharmD]

In Quin's equal opportunity offense Ricky has to play a role that doesn't let him use his strengths and showcases a lot of his weaknesses. He was doing the team leader and willing veteran mentor thing. I'm sure he felt like he sacrificed a lot in order to be part of the team he loved, to win, and to play in the playoffs. Then the leaks happened and he found out that his reward for that was that the front office tried to ship him to a tanking team in a contract year. It's a business but i can see how that would harm a relationship.

[KqWIN]

FYI, if #LockeWatch is a thing for free agency, Rubio is not coming back. By this point, we all know the arguments for and against him. Locke is going with the arguments against him.

On the contrary, he's been very pro Favors...just as DL was. IMO, the fit issue between Favors-Gobert is exceedingly more obvious than anything with Rubio. But it looks like we're choosing one and it will be Favs.

[zero24gravity]

FYI, if #LockeWatch is a thing for free agency, Rubio is not coming back. By this point, we all know the arguments for and against him. Locke is going with the arguments against him.

On the contrary, he's been very pro Favors...just as DL was. IMO, the fit issue between Favors-Gobert is exceedingly more obvious than anything with Rubio. But it looks like we're choosing one and it will be Favs.

I agree with the Jazz brass, Favors over Rubio. What Favors brings just isn't replaceable, plus he's still getting better, while accepting his role like a champ. I like Rubio, but he hasn't ever fit, and his shooting deficiency simply isn't getting any better.

I'd love to get a stud guard to play next to DM, but at minimum all the Jazz need from that PG spot is a player who controls TO's, can run the PrR/throw the lob accurately, and be (at least) an average defender. A guy with size wouldn't be a bad thing, either. (Dinwiddie, Caldwell-Pope or R.Jackson???) Tomas Satoransky (FA), perhaps? Shai Gilgeous-Alexander also comes to mind (not that the Clips will be looking to trade him). I'm not sold either is a 30mpg guy, but with DM flipping to the PG spot, plus (hopefully) having Exum around, the Jazz starting PG may not need to be a big minute player.

It's either that or Mitchell makes a commitment to being a scoring point, and the Jazz find a wing to play with him.

Now, if they go with a player like the above mentioned, they still need to add another piece. Simply swapping Rubio for a better fit PG, that isn't really a better overall player, isn't going to be enough .... but it would be a start. Something like Tobaias Harris + Satoransky + their 1st round pick would be a fantastic off-season!

[KqWIN]

I'm going to lay this down as the most likely scenario:

Under contract: Gobert, Ingles, Exum, Crowder, Mitchell, Allen, Bradley

Pick up Options: Favors, O'Neale, Neto, Niang

Waive & Stretch: Korver

Rescind Bird Rights: Rubio, Sefalosha, Udoh

This leaves us with 3 roster spots (including our first rounder). $21M in cap space, the room MLE ($4.7M) , and (likely) the BAE ($3.6).

Which players should we be targeting with those slots?

If a max player wants to play here, you need to waive Favors or trade Exum+small stuff.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Does anyone know if you have to have the cap space to make an offer to a player first, or if the team can create that after that player accepts the offer but before he signs?

[KqWIN]

Cap Space ($9.2M - $21M) Targets:
Malcolm Brogdon (RFA)
D'Angelo Russsell (RFA)
Bojan Bogdanovic

Nikola Mirotic
Terrance Ross
Jeremy Lamb
Rudy Gay
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

Anyone else greater than the full MLE, but less than $21M?

[KqWIN]

Does anyone know if you have to have the cap space to make an offer to a player first, or if the team can create that after that player accepts the offer but before he signs?

Nope. It's why Favors guarantee date (7/6) is critical. The Jazz get to throw their max offers out there for a week, and if no one bites, they can keep him.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Cap Space ($9.2M - $21M) Targets:
Malcolm Brogdon (RFA)
D'Angelo Russsell (RFA)
Bojan Bogdanovic

Nikola Mirotic
Terrance Ross
Jeremy Lamb
Rudy Gay
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

Anyone else greater than the full MLE, but less than $21M?

If they are publicly stating that Rubio is gone, and particularly if they plan on keeping Favors, then they have to address the PG spot in FA as I don't see Mitchell as a PG (at least not yet) and you can't count on Exum.
I would say that Brogdon would be the obvious target, and he will cost in that range (probably roughly $15M) to pry away from the Bucks.
Unless the Jazz are willing to break the bank on Kemba or lose players on Conley, the only other realistic options I see out there are Beverly and Satoransky, who are both probably at the MLE.

[KqWIN]

Cap Space ($9.2M - $21M) Targets:
Malcolm Brogdon (RFA)
D'Angelo Russsell (RFA)
Bojan Bogdanovic

Nikola Mirotic
Terrance Ross
Jeremy Lamb
Rudy Gay
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

Anyone else greater than the full MLE, but less than $21M?

If they are publicly stating that Rubio is gone, and particularly if they plan on keeping Favors, then they have to address the PG spot in FA as I don't see Mitchell as a PG (at least not yet) and you can't count on Exum.
I would say that Brogdon would be the obvious target, and he will cost in that range (probably roughly $15M) to pry away from the Bucks.
Unless the Jazz are willing to break the bank on Kemba or lose players on Conley, the only other realistic options I see out there are Beverly and Satoransky, who are both probably at the MLE.

I don't think it matters what position Mitchell plays. What matters more is who he plays with. It's important that he plays with a shot creator/ball handler. If we signed Brogdon, the positions would be nebulous and wouldn't really changed their role or how they play. I don't actually think he'll hit the market though. He's in a perfect situation right now, and if MIL lets him go they might as well fire up the trade machine for Giannis. If you gave him all $21 to start out, MIL probably still matches that deal because they have no way to replace him.

Going from Lamb to Brogdon isn't a crazy drop off, btw. I agree that Brogdon is the ideal target...but Lamb isn't a bad consolation prize.

[Medall21]

Just to try to understand you. From an european guy and perspective.

Why just shooting/spacing is important for you?

Leadership, humility, effort in both ends, team defense, passing, comunication, team oriented mentallity, winner mentallity... Why all these things are not on the table or secondaries?

Just I ask that, because every single player decrease their performances in playoffs respect regular season (we can discuss about O'Nealle and Rudy) and you want to start over again just quiting the only guy who play over the expectations in the right time. Rubio 15,4 pts / 8,6 asts / 2,4 stls / 42,4 fg%

So, why I understand is swapping Rubio for Brogdon you will have better spacing, because Brogdon will shoot in higher %, thanks to his spacing everybody will shoot much better (not difficult because anybody not named Rudy or Rubio from the starting lineup is shooting strongly below 40%), and all the other parts of team ofense will not be affected or even improved. And for defense, chimistry... same. Equal or better.

Just sharing my thoughts. I don't want to boother anyone!

Thanks!